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But I like to hang"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2215.78,"endTime":2218.0,"body":"around the club Opera."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2218.63,"endTime":2220.73,"body":"Oh, yeah? Late"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2218.63,"endTime":2220.73,"body":"night?"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2220.78,"endTime":2223.24,"body":"Yeah, that's where I"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2220.78,"endTime":2223.24,"body":"hang out. (laughter)"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2223.45,"endTime":2224.56,"body":"Yeah, I can see"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2223.45,"endTime":2224.56,"body":"that."},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2224.59,"endTime":2228.49,"body":"Yeah. (laughter) Do"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2224.59,"endTime":2228.49,"body":"you know it?"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2228.97,"endTime":2234.55,"body":"I do know it. I"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2228.97,"endTime":2234.55,"body":"do. I think it's a perfect fit."},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2234.73,"endTime":2238.21,"body":"Little Wayne,"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2234.73,"endTime":2238.21,"body":"little... no.... Who hangs"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2238.21,"endTime":2238.78,"body":"around there?"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2240.25,"endTime":2241.06,"body":"Rappers?"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2241.3,"endTime":2242.83,"body":"That's right."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2241.3,"endTime":2242.83,"body":"You and the rappers?"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2242.98,"endTime":2246.88,"body":"Yeah. Well, I"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2242.98,"endTime":2246.88,"body":"usually bring my mink coat when"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2246.88,"endTime":2247.42,"body":"I go there."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2247.9,"endTime":2250.36,"body":"Yeah, that's a"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2247.9,"endTime":2250.36,"body":"good call. You'll fit right in."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2250.36,"endTime":2250.39,"body":"(laughter)"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2254.98,"endTime":2256.51,"body":"Ok, let's be serious"},{"speaker":"Abe Morell","startTime":2254.98,"endTime":2256.51,"body":"though."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2256.54,"endTime":2258.07,"body":"Okay, okay. Just"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2256.54,"endTime":2258.07,"body":"a little."}]}