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I mean"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2560.79,"endTime":2566.46,"body":"those two women have I mean it"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2560.79,"endTime":2566.46,"body":"was an absolute dream to work"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2566.46,"endTime":2570.87,"body":"with them on this book and to"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2566.46,"endTime":2570.87,"body":"become closer with them."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2571.71,"endTime":2572.79,"body":"I love that set."},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2573.06,"endTime":2576.3,"body":"Yeah, we're still in"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2573.06,"endTime":2576.3,"body":"touch. I mean what a what a what"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2576.3,"endTime":2579.36,"body":"a really fantastic idea you had"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2576.3,"endTime":2579.36,"body":"you know."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2579.36,"endTime":2581.31,"body":"Thank you. Thank"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2579.36,"endTime":2581.31,"body":"you so much."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2588.36,"endTime":2592.98,"body":"I'm obsessed with color too. And"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2588.36,"endTime":2592.98,"body":"also how it. . . I need to be"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2593.01,"endTime":2598.47,"body":"around certain colors.  And then"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2593.01,"endTime":2598.47,"body":"there are also colors that give"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2598.47,"endTime":2602.79,"body":"me a an icky feeling. I don't"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2598.47,"endTime":2602.79,"body":"want to be around."},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2602.91,"endTime":2604.53,"body":"What color gives"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2602.91,"endTime":2604.53,"body":"you. . ."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2604.89,"endTime":2610.17,"body":"I don't like any"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2604.89,"endTime":2610.17,"body":"like browns and mustardy kind of"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2610.23,"endTime":2614.94,"body":"muddy. Yeah. Which is why, it's"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2610.23,"endTime":2614.94,"body":"interesting, people love the"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2614.94,"endTime":2617.43,"body":"Southwest, and I don't."},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2617.61,"endTime":2620.46,"body":"Oh my god, me too!"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2617.61,"endTime":2620.46,"body":"You have to be careful what you"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2620.46,"endTime":2625.8,"body":"say because people go nuts for"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2620.46,"endTime":2625.8,"body":"Santa Fe, and I love as a you"},{"speaker":"Cig Harvey","startTime":2625.8,"endTime":2627.15,"body":"know, I love the people there"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2628.23,"endTime":2631.62,"body":"I'm like, this"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2628.23,"endTime":2631.62,"body":"place looks thirsty and brown."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2632.55,"endTime":2635.76,"body":"And like I want to be in the"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2632.55,"endTime":2635.76,"body":"Pacific Northwest. Like I wan"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2635.76,"endTime":2638.85,"body":"green and blue all day, all day"}]}