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We'll see how it goes as"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2030.81,"endTime":2035.49,"body":"far as the book, but I feel"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2030.81,"endTime":2035.49,"body":"really good that it's going to"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2035.49,"endTime":2036.72,"body":"find its place."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2036.87,"endTime":2038.97,"body":"I'm obsessed"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2036.87,"endTime":2038.97,"body":"with it and I want to see it."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2039.15,"endTime":2041.43,"body":"Because like on the website,"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2039.15,"endTime":2041.43,"body":"it's like Coming Soon. And I'm"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2041.43,"endTime":2045.24,"body":"like, I know it's gonna be so"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2041.43,"endTime":2045.24,"body":"good. I have like this mental"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2045.24,"endTime":2047.04,"body":"image of it all. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2047.0,"endTime":2050.21,"body":"Thank you. You"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2047.0,"endTime":2050.21,"body":"know, you asked earlier about"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2050.21,"endTime":2055.28,"body":"the work that I had edited out"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2050.21,"endTime":2055.28,"body":"of Kiba's pregnant images and"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2055.28,"endTime":2059.33,"body":"maybe that's why like Pictures"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2055.28,"endTime":2059.33,"body":"for Charis, I'm kind of much"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2059.33,"endTime":2062.39,"body":"more protective about the first"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2059.33,"endTime":2062.39,"body":". ."},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2062.45,"endTime":2064.25,"body":"Absolutely, yeah."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2064.96,"endTime":2066.85,"body":"Yeah, that's"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2064.96,"endTime":2066.85,"body":"what I figured. 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And"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2072.94,"endTime":2075.91,"body":"especially because there's so"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2072.94,"endTime":2075.91,"body":"much context to it in the"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2075.91,"endTime":2079.87,"body":"writing, that having just the"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2075.91,"endTime":2079.87,"body":"images alone on your website, or"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2079.87,"endTime":2083.08,"body":"even with a little bit of"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2079.87,"endTime":2083.08,"body":"writing will probably not give"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2083.08,"endTime":2087.16,"body":"the full picture and you know,"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2083.08,"endTime":2087.16,"body":"not accomplish what you're"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2087.16,"endTime":2088.3,"body":"trying to do with the work."},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2088.48,"endTime":2089.89,"body":"Right, exactly."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2091.69,"endTime":2094.63,"body":"Well, thank you"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2091.69,"endTime":2094.63,"body":"for doing this today. I've loved"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2094.63,"endTime":2097.84,"body":"talking to you and it's been so"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2094.63,"endTime":2097.84,"body":"fun to dive deeper into your"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2097.84,"endTime":2102.13,"body":"work and prepping for the"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2097.84,"endTime":2102.13,"body":"interview and I'm a huge fan. So"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2102.16,"endTime":2105.88,"body":"it's been super exciting to be"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2102.16,"endTime":2105.88,"body":"able to talk with you today."},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2113.44,"endTime":2116.83,"body":"Well, I'm going"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2113.44,"endTime":2116.83,"body":"to have to like step back. So"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2116.83,"endTime":2118.51,"body":"let me start over again. Sorry."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2118.51,"endTime":2124.15,"body":"(Laughs) No big"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2118.51,"endTime":2124.15,"body":"deal. You should know how many"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2124.33,"endTime":2127.96,"body":"like Umms and weird..."},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2128.05,"endTime":2131.38,"body":"Well, my cat was"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2128.05,"endTime":2131.38,"body":"making this huge noise right now"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2131.38,"endTime":2134.53,"body":"and I'm like, Oh my God, he's"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2131.38,"endTime":2134.53,"body":"either gonna throw up or"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2134.53,"endTime":2138.85,"body":"somethings going on. Anyway, let"},{"speaker":"Kelli Connell","startTime":2134.53,"endTime":2138.85,"body":"me start over on that. (Laughs)"}]}