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Thank you again,"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":2957.09,"endTime":2961.26,"body":"and we will see you next time."},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2965.31,"endTime":2968.91,"body":"I'm doing good."},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2965.31,"endTime":2968.91,"body":"We just did like a little six"},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2968.91,"endTime":2972.99,"body":"month photography session with"},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2968.91,"endTime":2972.99,"body":"our baby Lux and a friend of"},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2972.99,"endTime":2977.25,"body":"ours, Jodi to take photos. It's"},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2972.99,"endTime":2977.25,"body":"kind of funny to have like these"},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2977.25,"endTime":2980.46,"body":"traditional, like photos. You"},{"speaker":"Matthew Brandt","startTime":2977.25,"endTime":2980.46,"body":"know what I mean? 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