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I really"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1499.98,"endTime":1502.77,"body":"encourage you to check it out if"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1499.98,"endTime":1502.77,"body":"you're in San Francisco, it will"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1502.77,"endTime":1506.28,"body":"run until December 12. And"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1502.77,"endTime":1506.28,"body":"again, thank you for listening."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1511.71,"endTime":1514.38,"body":"That's exciting that you're"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1511.71,"endTime":1514.38,"body":"starting a new project."},{"speaker":"Diana Markosian","startTime":1514.7,"endTime":1521.9,"body":"It's, it's a"},{"speaker":"Diana Markosian","startTime":1514.7,"endTime":1521.9,"body":"bit um it's, it's brave. 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This is"},{"speaker":"Diana Markosian","startTime":1532.4,"endTime":1533.42,"body":"another form of it."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1533.4,"endTime":1533.46,"body":"Wow."},{"speaker":"Diana Markosian","startTime":1533.45,"endTime":1539.21,"body":"So, I'm"},{"speaker":"Diana Markosian","startTime":1533.45,"endTime":1539.21,"body":"slightly terrified of what's on"},{"speaker":"Diana Markosian","startTime":1539.21,"endTime":1542.24,"body":"the other end of it."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1541.85,"endTime":1546.26,"body":"That seems to be"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1541.85,"endTime":1546.26,"body":"your Mo though."},{"speaker":"Diana Markosian","startTime":1544.37,"endTime":1546.02,"body":"(Laughs) Right."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1544.37,"endTime":1547.76,"body":"Thats what gets"},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1544.37,"endTime":1547.76,"body":"you out of bed in the morning."},{"speaker":"Jennifer Yoffy","startTime":1547.94,"endTime":1548.63,"body":"Incredible."}]}