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Tehilim 105-106: A Psalmist's Sipur Yetzias Mitzrayim? (Part 3 - Our Approach to 106)
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Length: 1 hour 2 minutes
Synopsis: This evening (4/29/26), in our Wednesday night Tehilim shiur, we briefly reviewed our approach to 105, then tackled 106. We reread the whole thing, raised questions and problems - mostly on the intro and outro - and then started theorizing. Not only did we develop a solid approach for 106, but we also managed to unify it with 105! We may devote one more session to this perek, but even if we don't, I'm content with what we've gained!
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מקורות:
תהלים קו
הגדה של פסח - ברכת הגאולה
בראשית יח:יז-יט
רמב"ם - משנה תורה: ספר קדושה, הלכות איסורי ביאה יד:א,א
ב' מלכים כא:י-טו
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All right. So this is part three of our uh analysis of the pair of Tihillem 105 and 106. Uh first time we read through all of them. Second time last week we read and analyzed 105. And then uh tonight we're gonna do 106. So I have good news, bad news, and good news. Okay. The good news is that over PASAG, then Ken and Johnny and I worked out a really good approach to this. The bad news is that as of learning with Ken tonight, it seems like we've both forgotten it. Um and then the other good news is that even though we did not succeed in coming up with a like grand theory, we got a lot of good ideas and we felt like we were walking like circling around it. So I'm optimistic about how this is gonna go tonight. Um, but we'll uh we'll see. Uh we'll see where it ends, where we land. Um and just to remind us of 105, I'm just gonna read what I wrote last time. So the the new fact we got about 105 was that they composed it, um, WML composed it to be sung when they were leading the Arun Hakotish back from the Plishtim. Uh, there's a thing if you want. Um, and um, so it's about the Aron. And my summary here was uh what's the purpose of the parag is to take what might have been construed as a nationalistic military victory, uh unconnected with our national mission, or I guess disconnected, unconnected to our national mission, and remind us that this is one in a series of niflaus of acts of Hashaga that started with the Shem choosing the Avos and making a brisk promising to give their offspring a land to carry out the Dera Hashem, which is embodied in the Aron, uh, and in us when we keep the mitzvos. Uh, and I was thinking about that. It's like um there's a little bit of a like boneheaded, blockheaded, like like they're parading the aron back from the Plishtim, and their feeling is we're mighty, like guys, like you're bringing the Aron. That's what it's all about. Like, like the contents of the Ron, it's of course it's about the Jarak. It's not about you being victorious over your enemies, but like I obviously it's easy to get caught up. And then I I uh last sentence here is it's a contextualization of our victory within the history of Hajjkaka, which was a means of enabling us to do our mission in the land, and ultimately uh Hodiya Amim Ali Losav to make known God's deeds among the people so that Yismach leaf mufakshem, so that the the minds of those who seek Hashem can rejoice in the entire world. That was our thing. Uh Seth, um, you uh I meant to look at the email uh that you sent me last week that you added something to this. Uh, do you remember what you added?
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, I just ended off saying that um and in the end it should be a blessing to all, like it was mentioned in the Brit, that we should be a blessing to the nations.
SPEAKER_02Ah, okay, right. Uh, in fulfillment of the bris with Avram, uh of uh Vinivruhu. I don't know if this is the one you're thinking of Nivruhubo, Vnivruhu Bukha call call me, right? I think that's the puzzle. If not, then it's the same sentiment. Yeah. Okay, so let us read one of oh yeah. Oh, yeah, sorry, yeah. Anything to add or modify for this, yeah. Oh yeah. Well, let me just read that out loud. This is a good parrot to say every day because you can laugh. Oh, because we said it was said in the morning, right? The Tamid.
SPEAKER_05That was only the first uh the first public chord that collapsed into the I mean that we that was not Diva Young.
SPEAKER_02Then it didn't it wasn't the the parag itself?
SPEAKER_04I think when I'm saying it's one day very okay.
SPEAKER_02Um oh you're saying in RP'cause I was saying in terms of the um in the mikdash before the Tamid and the uh right when you say that this was said in the morning and then Shira Loshem was said in the evening, uh I wrote this is a good parade to say every day because you could lapse into viewing the niflaos bakol yom bayom. Um uh that way. Uh meaning you could you could you could not view the niflaos every day as part of the unfolding of the Hashgaha that is instrumental in you aligning yourself with Derek Shab and then ultimately reaching the state that was promised in the Avos. Uh perhaps this is why it's perceived by 104, which is Barking Navish about the natural world. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right. I mean, but um that doesn't have the whole list of events, right?
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04So I guess when bringing that R on, why wouldn't they go on to list the events and then that's a good question. Um military.
SPEAKER_02Right, that is a good question. Yeah, what did the Radak say? Uh Radak said 105 PC. Uh he had a distinction saying Agar Ukashiber David is ever tillem, Kazav Bose is more the Herit Bo Basipo Zerah Avraham Aj Nichnesullah erjraal. Right, herithbo Basipo. Yeah, he liked yeah he he uh uh elaborated uh extended the uh the seapur of the zera avram.
SPEAKER_05Yeah it's just founding there's also the last line that's not included.
SPEAKER_02Is it I don't know what's that last time? The what was the last line? Uh oh, yeah, and that part's pretty important, right? Yeah, although you know, although it's possible that if he just said the first part and they're bringing the R on, then it's less important to say that because it's kind of like manifesting the R on itself. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, all right, okay. So again, we we didn't also we we said that that really we should view this as the first half of a long parak in a way. So like we'll uh we'll we'll uh swoop in again and try to unite it with whatever we come up with 106. Okay, so let's reread 106 from in its entirety in English. Um, actually, no, I'm gonna do what I did last time is I'm gonna read the uh intro and the outro in Hebrew and English. All right, halluya hodu ladrnoi kito ki lolonkosto, which I think is the first time in the in the par in the safer that we say this. So uh halluya, uh give thanks, or do my normal one, uh gratefully ignorately acknowledge Hashem for he is good. Uh uh, but uh yeah, I don't think the English is exactly the same here if that's what it's confusing, Isaiah.
SPEAKER_05Oh like um okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay, um, yeah, for his kindness is eternal. Miyamal Gaburos Adonai, Yashmia Khodilasa, who can express the mighty acts of Hashem can make all his praise heard. Ashre Shomre Mishpat Osates Daka of the whole ace. Uh praiseworthy or happy are those who maintain justice, keep justice, um, who enact righteousness all the time. Uh Zachini Arunoi Birtonamaha, remember me, Hashem, when you favor your people, recall me with your salvation. Liros Batovas Bakhiracha, Lismok, Pasimchas Koyachah, um to see the good of your chosen ones, to rejoice in the gladness of your nation, to glory, um literally to praise ourselves uh uh with your inheritance. Okay, I'm gonna switch to English. We have sinned with our fathers, our schools that like our fathers. We have committed iniquity and and wickedness. Our fathers in Egypt did not contemplate your wonders, uh, they were not mindful of your abundant kindnesses, and they rebelled at the sea, at the sea of reeds. But he saved them for his namesake to make known his might. He roared at the sea of reeds, and it became dry, and he led them through the depths as through a desert, and he saved them from the hand of the enemy and redeemed them from the hand of a foe, of the foe. And the waters covered their tormentors, not one of them was left. Then they believed his words, they sang his praise. Swiftly, so that sounds good. Okay, but then swiftly they forgot his deeds. They did not away this counsel, and they cultivated a lust in the wilderness, and they tested God in the desert, and he gave them their request, but dispatched emaciation into their soul. So that's the bad slave. That's the kibbutzottava. First slave was mentioned in the previous parak. Um, and that's not like the disastrous one, uh, even if if it came from something bad. This is the um uh he's abu tava, and then he gives them 30 days of slav and it kills them, like you know, after like what is it, a day and a half. Um, okay, they were jealous of Moshe in the camp of Arun Hashem's holy one. The earth opened and swallowed Dasan and covered over the company of Aviron. Uh, and a nation, uh sorry, and a fire burned amid their company, a flame set the wicked ablaze. Okay, so that's the Korach incident without mentioning Korach. Um, they made a calf in the Kory, they prostrated themselves before molten image. They exchanged their glory, capital G, God, uh the OG, um, for the likeness of a grass-eating ox. Uh, they forgot God, their savior, who does great things in Egypt, wondrous works in the land of Kham, awesome things by the sea of reeds. He said he would destroy them had not his chosen one stood in the breach before him to turn away his wrath from destroying. Okay, and of that. Next. And they despised the desirable land. They did not have conviction in his word. They murmured in their tents, they did not heed the voice of Hashem. Then he lifted up his hand in an oath against them to cast them down in the wilderness. Um, or you could just say he lifted up his hand to destroy them, uh, uh, because it doesn't actually say oath, and to cast down their descendants among the nations and to scatter them among the lands. That's uh an um an allusion to Tishbaav. Uh, you're gonna cry for on this night for all uh generations. Um then they attached themselves to Baal Poor and ate the sacrifices of the dead, and they angered him with their behavior, and a plague broke out among them. And Pinchas arose and executed judgment, and the plague was halted. It was accounted to him as a righteous deed for all generations forever. They provoked at the waters of strife, uh, and Moshe suffered because of them, because they acted contrary to, and now we have two readings here, contrary to his God's spirit, and he, God, pronounced with his God's lips, okay. Um, or because they acted contrary to Moshe's spirit, and he, Moshe, pronounced with his lips, meaning uh referring to the Ramam's interpretation of what the Khay was of calling them uh Yoshimunah Morim, you know, you rebels. Okay, they did not destroy the peoples as Hashem told them. Now we're already into the land, but they mingled with the nations and learned their deeds and served their idols, which became a snare for them. And they sacrificed their sons and daughters to the demons, they spilled innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the Canaanite idols, and the land was polluted by blood. Um, this is a um support, uh, just because I wrote about Molech last week. This is a support for the Rambam and Rashi, who say that you did not do child sacrifice to Molech, but that was a different god. And I don't think Molech is referred to as Shaidim. Um, and uh, you know, Atsabe Knan, maybe you can, but yeah. All right. Thus they were defiled by their deeds and went astray through their actions, and Hashem's anger was kindled against his people, and he abhorred his inheritance. So he delivered them to the hands of the nations, and their enemies ruled over them, their foes oppressed them, and they were humbled under their power. Many times did he rescue them, yet they were defiant in their counsel and impoverished uh by their iniquity. But he took note when they were in distress and he heard their outcry. He remembered his covenant for them and relented in accordance with his abundant kindness. Uh, he caused them to be pitied by all their captors. I think this is referring to um even now. Um, and then the last part, Hoshiinu, Arunoi Elohinu, the Kabacinum in Hagoim, Lahodos, Lashem Kachah, Leh Tabekh Pisaka. Uh save us Hashem, our God, and gather us from among the nations to thank your holy name and to glory. Again, literally uh to praise ourselves um in your praise. Uh Baruch Adonoi Elohi Israel mean haulam alam, amarkoam, amin halelujah. Blessed is Hashem, God of Yisrael, from this world to the world. Okay, whatever, to the from this world to the I'll put in brackets next world. Uh, and let all people say amen, hallelujah. Okay, questions. So I'll read the ones that we had before uh the first time. Why not go in chronological order? Very easy to do. Also, uh, given that most of them are in chronological order already, and it's just why would you deviate? Like it's a C por, you know? I mean, I'm calling it a C por, but like talk about the whole thing. Um, and then we said, what is the character of 106? Is it Vidui as implied by 1066 and the enumeration of sins, or is it rebuke? Uh, and then why in 106 is the enumeration of wrongdoing intermingled with some praise, like praising Israel Yamsuf and then praising Pinchas, uh, I guess, and Moshe, right? Um, you know, stepping into savus, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Um, yeah, so like the second one from 39 and 40. I guess really like 39. What's that going back on? Is that going back on like they were five other dudes that was 50 other expense? Is that going back on like the thing just before about circuit or like all of the bad things that it's talking about?
SPEAKER_02That's a good question. I would think it is talking about the immediate because it seems like it is a cause of their exile. Seems like this isn't biased reshon. I mean, sorry, let me let me back up. Sorry. It when they went in, that seems to be like assimilating to the nations, which was one instance of bad involvement in the vodasara. And then 39, I think, is biased reshon, like and and and the the time that got them eventually exiled. Like, in other words, in 34 through 38, I don't think like that was bad, but I don't think I actually I don't know. I don't know if that's already like when Manasha brought all the vodasara in and they were doing child sacrifices and stuff. Not sure the timeline. Could be that I divide it into these paragraphs here because I thought that's what it was, but it could be that they're merged.
SPEAKER_05I'm thinking 39 is a like what's it in Hebrew? Thus they were developed by their beings.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's our scroll, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Um I guess we're saying the eating and maybe this refers to something else that wasn't already.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it could be a different time period. Yeah. Yeah. Um, right. Okay, other questions. And remember, our our our whole uh exercise here is to not get caught up in details because there's way too many. I mean this one, unlike the other one, this one has a uh I think a clear pivot. Uh do you say yogimo? Uh interesting. I would say from Vov. Because that's when we start talking about the litany of uh sins. Okay, so that's clear. Yeah, right. In other words, like this. Here's how I'm here's how I'm reading it, right? So, like like pr just pretend that we just didn't read this uh a bunch of times. So you start off, hallelujah, hodhumakidov kill m castell. Oh, this is gonna be a psalm of Hoda'a, yay, okay. Oh, we're gonna be praising God, and we're gonna be praising God so much that we can't even finish it. So this is gonna be like Ashre, right? Where it's just like a bunch of praise of God, you know, or Borkinaku, which we just read, or 105, which we just read. This is a continuation. Yay, more praise, okay? Ashre Shomri Mishpat, Asei Ose Dokabo ace. Oh, good, it's gonna be lauding Hashem's values and probably gonna be like David talking about like how how righteous people act and like all this. This is really good. Okay, Zakharina Shem Birthda mecha patini bicho saha. It's a little weird. Why does he have to ask God to remember him? Oh, excuse me. Um, because this is also the only singular, the only uh um everything else is plural. Okay, great. Fine. So we're gonna get to the good stuff, and then boom. Bad, bad, bad. Little good, bad, bad, bad, little good, little bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Where is the hodaah and the the guru sashem and the praise and like all the descriptions of of uh Ashri Shomre Mishpa Mishpat Ose Sidaka? It's almost the opposite, right? So to me, that's like a giant pivot. So that's my question. Okay, is um is uh how do we account for the giant early pivot? Okay, um 1061 through five seems like it's going to be uh you know happy, positive, palil, the hoda, uh, and maybe some lauding of uh Mishbat Utsdaka uh just like hoof hey. Uh but then we get the abrupt um uh plunge into a litany of sins that takes us through the end until we ask for for mercy and salvation, right? So clash of themes. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I want to talk about 39 at the second code. Okay. Yeah. But I think that's until long end. Like things go bad, like people the people at the beginning. Chen did right things, then the people do a lot of bad things. Yeah, Chen threatens do something about it a lot of times. I mean, a few times he sends some tragedy to them. But I feel like in 39 when they're exiled, that's like when it's like pushed past.
SPEAKER_01It's like a breaking point, right? Right.
SPEAKER_05Like now, like that's when stuff was really happening.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_05Until that point, it was it's like it's like kind of like something was getting pushed on and pushed on, and then it did then violated, it broke.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I think you're picking up on something real, and um, and I think the way I think of it, yeah, 39 and through the end with the bocaccia is a uh is a different part. So I'm I'll I'll I'll I'll list this here. I mean, if you're gonna divide it in two, this is definitely part of the second part, right? Uh, but now the question is, um, and what uh I guess how does um 106 39 through 47 fit in, right? It feels like something broke, uh, even though it's part of the second half. Yeah, Mosha?
SPEAKER_05Why would you say 39 and not something like uh like 34? Because it seems like from that onward, uh not and also not even including 40. Uh like and also not including 47 to the end, because 47 and 48 are percussions, and then as opposed to 34 to 46, you can just not be talking about anything specific unless I'm wrong, but just talking about in you know, uh faith in general, and like yeah, I mean I I think Isaiah's reading in the same way that I am, is that 34 through 38 is talking about the the time of assimilation that they did when they entered the land.
SPEAKER_02Whereas like 39 is like it's almost not even talking about like in those the pattern has been they did this bad thing and then God saved them, they did this this bad thing and God saved them, but then 39 is the first time where because they did these bad things, God kicked them out and has not saved us.
SPEAKER_05After 39, there's no more bad things that we do, right?
SPEAKER_02I mean, arguably you could say that 43 is behema yamru batsasam, but you could also read that as like a description of before. Yeah, I think so.
SPEAKER_05Also, I mean that's the part of the development is there like in the choke too, so like they get them spinning on bad.
SPEAKER_02You're talking about 34 through 38. Because 39 through 42, I'm I'm learning as the gulls of uh bias region. Or even the gullus of the.
SPEAKER_04I was saying that also I thought uh that was referring to uh like more than the inner RCR.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I think uh yeah, I'll show you by the way. I uh maybe I mean it doesn't.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I guess it wouldn't be proper to home if I didn't talk about like something in the future.
SPEAKER_02Who are you, Alter? Um no, um I think uh the Radoq says this.
SPEAKER_03Um let me just see if it was in 39. Uh where are we? 33 uh 35 39 Someone says that it was no, he doesn't say it here.
SPEAKER_02He must have said it in the beginning. Someone says that he saw through Ruroka Kodash that they were gonna be exiled. Um so to me that implies well it means the future. I think he says it early on. Hold on.
SPEAKER_03Safa, there's a phrase Safa Buraka Kodash. Alright, fine. I do not know where it is, but I definitely read it like an hour ago.
SPEAKER_04I I I wouldn't I I want something that is equal. I I I make it make sense.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah. All right, other questions here. I guess we might as well ask how does the Bakasha fit in, right? Like, is this a stomacha, or is uh is this like an integral part of the thing, right? Um how does the Bakasha uh the request in 106 47 through well it's just 47, right? 47 fit in. Uh and then and then also like why end on this note in 106.48. It's a little weird, also, right? Like you kind of forget, I mean, the people kind of just show up, right? Let's just shame God if you start from this world to the next world and let all the people say, I'm in hallelujah. Like they're just like, oh, there were a bunch of people here, you know. Uh didn't need to be said necessarily, you know?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I think why is six put it in right in the framework of we have sin life or with our fathers, like um like nothing else in the parent is talking about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, why is 106 six in the collective plural, right? Um the rest of the parak um is narrating the sins of our fathers, um, not our current sins. Yeah. Um, I also want to know what the function of 1033 is. It does stand out to me as a weird thing to laud the doing of Mishban and Sadaka. Like, it's almost the same kind of weirdness as the very end of 105, where it said, Bavur Yishmuka Vatorosabi and Toru. Like that theme did not show up through the entire 105 of like keeping the mitos. Um, and so to hear, like, um, oh, is this not big enough? You want me to make it bigger?
unknownUh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Um, uh, yeah, okay, fine, because I just realized the other one was big. Um, yeah, 100 1063 just seems a little like random smattering of like, you know, mitzvous are good. So I'll say this also. You notice a lot of how does this fit in questions, which is uh appropriate if we're on the macro level. Um yeah, how does 1063 fit in? Uh it it's an uh it's an anomalous um like you know phrase of of doing Mishpath. Uh did I just say this already? Mishpat and Siddaka in a sea of you know Gavuro Sashem. Right? Uh doesn't seem to belong. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Um in the last two questions.
SPEAKER_02First, um, the Hamar is the same thing that I and like let them say, like in the Yeah, I must have gotten that from the art scroll, but I think uh the Radak also says, oh, by the way, I'll read what the Radak says on that because it's uh very short. Uh he says, uh just a shot. Um Baruch Hashem El Khisra, the Oz Nomar. Then we will say Baruch Hashem uh Hamaskilim Yeshabhukvi Sikham. So the the intelligent people or the people who are are contemplate God's works will praise according to their intellect. Bahulhaam, Yomru, Amen the Amin. And the rest of the people will say Amin V Amein. In other words, you've got the people who are like articulating the praise because they have the knowledge to be able to engage in it, and then everyone uh will say Amin V Amin. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so they're they're but they're just finding a main. I have to ask my other question. Are they just finding a main to just that praise or to the whole paragraph as a whole?
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, I think the whole thing. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, is there so in the second to last classic? Yeah, um, which says, what's it here, bro? The Shabila set, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05We translated that, or our story translated that as to glory in your praise.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Which way is that saying? Is that saying that we would glory in the praise from Shem, or that we would glory in giving praise?
SPEAKER_03Good question.
SPEAKER_05And if it means the first one, that really sticks out from this whole paraphrase where we're being chastised, and now we're saying, and in the future, things got enough from the nation, and we'll thank you, and and glory in your praise. Like either way, it's weird like uh I feel like the the doesn't jive with the theme of chastisement.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right. Um yeah, I wanna also say I don't know if this is the same thing, but it is Hala Imnahlasecha. Um so what do Legit Tobiak and means mean? And hold on, gotta make this the right font. And um, and how does this jive with all the the negative uh you know with all the the veto here? Yeah. Um I also want to I think we have to ask on the first puzzle, right? Which is um unlike what was the other paraphrase we did, uh halahagudal, right? Uh halahagudal, uh which repeated uh hodu, ladushem, kitov, ilolam chasto, uh, and was obvious um which hassadin uh this was talking about and why. Okay, how does our hodu fit in with the rest of the parak? Um, you know, in other words, um it's just not as obvious, like that that uh this is this is not you know, especially because this isn't a traditional um psalm of hodah, yeah, Isaiah?
SPEAKER_05Also on the first topic, like the key along, but in the very cleric, like we see times when it seems like terms kind of runs out and like we face consequences before we're exiled or while we're punished.
SPEAKER_02Are the in yeah, so let's let's put this in how do we view the in the many instances of suffering uh here in light of that statement about Hasid? I think that points us towards an answer, right? Yeah, Moja. Oh no, okay. Um yeah. Okay, I feel like those are the main questions. Oh, by the way, just to answer a question that we raised on the last parak, um, which was in the last parak, which was really going through the events from the Avos through Yatizman Triam, we noted that it did not mention, and it was not just events, it was also mentioning the uh niflaus, mobsagmishpite fihu. So, what is one of the most wondrous things? Kris Yamsuf and the other one was Harsinae. But I think the reason why those aren't in 105 is because they have to go somewhere, and it's way more appropriate to put in 106 because they were followed by bad stuff.
unknownRight?
SPEAKER_02Korev was followed by the Feda Egel, and Khriz Yamsuv was followed by the rebellion at Yamsov. So, in other words, none there's no event that is listed twice in these things. The whole thing is like a uh chronicle of events. So now you have to ask yourself, well, which one are we gonna put this in? Are we gonna put it into the pure nifos where it was all good, or are we gonna put this into the niflos that were followed by our sinning? And so I think it's unquestionably belongs here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay, anyone have any theories? Yes.
SPEAKER_05Um I was thinking about this. Like um maybe it's kind of like like we could relate to this in terms of like all of our lives are kind of like the lives that the the nation's life like like the nation had was saved by God who showed us his like great power. Yeah, and then they did a bunch of like things and sort of didn't ask him recognition of what they already saw, and then now they're like um eventually like they face consequences for that. But I feel like it like builds up, like they keep doing bad things and not learning the lesson and learning lesson, and then eventually they're like exiled, but like um suspended from school, then yeah, but I don't know, like we're still alive, so like I know I didn't say I didn't say expelled, it's suspended.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. Yeah, we're coming back, you know. We're still part of the school, we're still enrolled.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you can like still learn the lesson and um more through that out, like something from the second last lesson.
SPEAKER_05Um yeah, but it's just like like like we could look at the we could look back at what we did and then like learn from it and then it will be done, and then like we can praise the Chinese gun. You know, just like the people, even though we had all these things in their exile, like somehow like we'll still be able to praise the Shang and be praised by other nations when we switch back to the seven ways.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, all right. So that that is good. Um, that might be a candidate for the kilo lamcha stow. Not that it is forever, I mean it is forever, but that it is uh everlasting in the sense that the chesed did not stop. It's not like God did this chesed and then we were so bad that he just cut it off. It will return and he will like it's dormant, you know, it's dormant right now uh in in exile, and he will restore us to the point where we will be able to partake of this again. Um, I want to say something before I forget it, also, which is that in the same way as we have the curveball at the end of 105, where it all of this great national glory stuff, and then Ba'avor Yeshmu Hukav Torosav Yinsoru, in order to keep his Hukim and his Tauros, which actually now that I'm remembering this, I don't think I said this in Sheer. Um I don't did I uh does that remind you of anything in the um in the Seder? The uh Bavur Yeshmuru Torosov Hukosov reminds me of something. Yeah, how so? Uh yeah, it's not just the word bavar, but you're you're all thinking of the right thing.
SPEAKER_05Oh, the peso reminds us of the laws or the matzah? Is it one of the three things remind us of like symbolize the uh pesa?
SPEAKER_02Are you thinking of the question?
SPEAKER_05Of the no, like when you already brought the wheels.
SPEAKER_02Well, each of them, even each of them reminds us of yeah, basically each one reminds us of one thing. So I was thinking of this statement in the broccolo at the end of Magid. Burkotash and Malakalam, Ashirga Alanu, the Al Savasem Mitzraim. Okay, sounds good so far, right? Uh blessed your shame of God Kim Ears who redeemed us and redeemed our fathers from Egypt. You brought us to this night lechel bo matzer mor to eat matan mar, right? So isn't that kind of circular? Like, what's the purpose of matan mar? It's to remember us of yet's mitraim. So you brought us out from mitzim in order to bring us to this night to remember yet's mitraim. Something wrong with that, right? But I think rashi. Uh let's see if this quotes uh if this is the same rashi. No, there is a rashi that says baavor, so that we could do the mitzvos like mat and mar or um that uh that it doesn't mean specifically matz and marr, it means it's talking about all the mitzvos, but like tonight we're doing it for matz and mar. And so the idea being that, like, you know, if you think uh this I did say last time is that if you think of of um of the atiz mitraim the way that the the people who wrote the Prince of Egypt do, then it's just so that we could be free. But no, it's so that we could be free to serve Hashem and to curveball, because if you're it was like this, it's like a limits test. If you're not, if you don't understand the atismit draim, then this will come as a shock to you that, oh, that's why you took a sign of draim to keep the mitzvos. But if you realize the whole purpose of it's right, is is for Mats and Torah and to carry on what Auburn Movimi did, then of course that's why you took Assignment Mitraheim. But it's a fitting conclusion. Okay. So too, I do think there's a similar effect that's going on here where you get to the end and okay, ask the average Jew who says they want Mashiach now, right? I know I always harp on that, but why why do they want Mashiach now? And what? Yes, that's true. Yeah. Um so what what what will most people say if you ask them why do you want Mashiach now? I don't know, but you know what they won't say? Right? To so that to in order gathers in front of the people to thank your holy name and and and to glory in your praise. I think we had a similar point in a re in a parac earlier this year that I think most people consider that backwards. They'd say that redeem us and then we will thank you, not redeem us in order that we can thank you, because most people don't view Hoda as a fulfillment of the highest aspiration of a human being, which is to have Yidya Hashem and to recognize his goodness as extending to you, you know, like in the entire universe of which you are a part, you know. So like I think there is uh another like curveball uh at the end where you're like, that's why he's bringing us out. Oh, well, if you're surprised about that, then you're asking the wrong Bukasha, right? Like, like if you can't ask the like everyone wants the Hoshino Hashem Lokano and the Kazumi Nagoyan, but like the Sabinically Saka, the Hoshama Bukasha, no, no, no, no, that's not for me. You know, like I think that that's that's by design. That is the that's the khazed is that God set up this bris with Avram, it's going to be fulfilled, you know, and and and uh reach a state of kium, but the Brit is so that we can keep his mistros and engage in Ydiya Sashem and Miyamala Gavur Sashem, you have to make a whole deal. So I think that's connecting to the beginning also, that the whole point of this whole thing is to acknowledge that God is good and to recount his praises, you know, and to keep uh Mishpat and Sadaka, which are um, oh, that's also that's a Reverend Savram of Vino, right? Um in what did we say, what parakas Sadoman amor in 18? Uh oh no, no, wait, is this Sadoma? Uh hold on a second. Yeah. Um yeah. Uh Varashem, uh, this is in 1817. Should I conceal from Avram what I'm in what I'm doing? Avram is going to be a great nation and uh uh mighty and strong, great and and and strong, and all the nations of the land will uh will bless themselves with him. Kiyadati, for I have known him, and remember God knowing you means Hashkaha. In order that he command his sons and his household, his children and his household after him, Akarab, but Shamr Dira Khashem Las Sadakh of Mishpad. And to keep the Dirach Hashem to do Sadaka and Mishpat, Laman Havi Arashem Al Avram is a Sher Dibir Alab, in order that Hashem will bring upon Avram what he spoke to him. So I think that's like a pretty explicit reference. I know it's the opposite order, Mishpat and Sadaka, right? But um Shomri Mishpat Ose Tzaka is the briss of uh uh of uh of Avraham, you know. So so in other words, it it's setting us up like this is what we agreed upon, you know, and this is what we we we're aiming for, but now we have to account for what's 1066 through all that middle stuff doing. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so I don't know um if I was consistent with what you guys were saying, um, but as I as I read this more, I'm more convinced that the the 105 and 06 are not opposites, but are really both polemics, and then 106 is is actually just a like a level two. And that if 105 were just basically trying to counter people's highness and and military might, then this is trying to say that well, you might have still said okay, but uh at least um I mean that I think of is like you know, Israel and how look at all these uh wars we kept on winning. And there's like a there's a then there's a specific haughtiness, and we may have not been great, but at least we didn't fail.
SPEAKER_01And that one well yeah um and that's what I'm saying, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And and that's a more and I think that's a more specific kind of uh hottiness that's people look less reluctant to uh break down upon, or less to rebuke that people are less willing to agree to. And the way he's explained here is that each of these sins that that that's well did, all of them had like in the in the actual setting, all of them had a all of them had a a uh a setting that Naysbell could have reacted to in a good way, but but they didn't, and that's why the budget on the broken down. And that was I think it's really starting to just point out to us that you could have said that by the C. Um, oh they they did sing to you, but it makes no excess before that they were rebelling. Yeah, after they sing and yeah, right. Um, and then you also could have said, and uh and by by 14, where they um 14 by 2, like by his pilota. Um there was this also like proper reaction, even if you I'm not repositive.
SPEAKER_02I mean, well, yeah, they they could have not forgotten his deeds and they could have awaited his counsel, right? In other words, God was gonna provide for them, you know, you continue to provide for them, but they didn't, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and then um and then by uh and by uh the the egg all the mountain. And that so so that and pen that and the story by uh Pentecost, it's it's like they're uh uh it really seems like that is trying to say that that you that like like those two instances um oh and also Moshe and uh the standing and like hitting the rock.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, right.
SPEAKER_05So those are trying to say that um like the the reactions that you you would have been destroyed if it wasn't for the reactions of other people. And specifically by Pentacles, you also could have said, but maybe those actions themselves were that okay. So so no one is free here, like no, no is is um uh no one is not guilty. Yeah, but the point is saying that's why they have PSP course correct and call it Pentacles that his reward doesn't mean through throw out of them. And by thinking the rot, it doesn't you know call it like things rock, right? It says that he suffered because of you guys, right? And um and uh I have some I I had an idea of why connected to the top part, but I think so. Yeah, I guess I don't really have an idea for the okay.
SPEAKER_02So you you are it sounds like you are taking a stance on the fact that this is like Tohaha. Right, yeah, yeah. Okay, we're right. I I think that I think that that that's true. That's good. Okay, so this is interesting because I fully agree with what you're saying. It is different than my approach, uh, which is closer to Isaiah's. And so let's let let's um uh let's keep it on the on the side burner with the burner on.
SPEAKER_04Okay, um and uh yeah, but that doesn't mean I want to try unifying that they're both.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's why I want to sizing okay. Let me just float this approach that I have here now because I also want to start from 105. So the the thing that opens it up to me is who's the audience, who's the intended audience of 106?
SPEAKER_06I mean Jewish people nowadays.
SPEAKER_02Nowadays, right. So these are people in Gallos, right? And we know that because it has Bakasha to get us out of Gallos, right? So unlike 105, the audience was the the you know the the people at the time of the our own police gym thing. This is uh people in Gallos, okay? So here's my theory, and and and I am still going with the fact that this is a continuation of 105 in a sense, like we are supposed to, we're in Till and they're together, right? So so if you're a member of of Gallus and you're reading 105, what emotion and yeah, it's telling all this good stuff about God. Sorry, uh you're you're reading 105. Um, what emotion is gonna be building up as it goes through like 105? Let me build it up. You're you are a Jew in Nazi Germany, or you're a Jew in the Crusades, or you're a Jew in all the pick your your bad era of Jewish history, and you're reading about how great God is because of all the stuff that he's like, you know, caring for his nation and providing for all their needs and stuff. So what are you gonna feel?
SPEAKER_05Um sense of uh curtain or like it doesn't apply to me now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you're being like, well, yeah, but what about what about us? Like, why didn't that continue? You know? Um, so I think that's the that's where it hits you really hard, meaning it does go and continue and then sets you up to be like, oh, we're now we're gonna thank God. And you think that like, you know, so like inside, you're like, okay, yeah, I thank God that he did all this stuff for them, but like, what about now? And you're like, oh, and then here's a similar rebuke. Oh, you want to know about now? Well, let me show you another pattern that happened then, which is it did not continue. 105 did not continue, it was rudely interrupted by by khid after khade after khade after khade. Okay, and as you're going through this, you're this is where I think my approach intersects with yours, is that like you're seeing, like, well, it could have been good. You know, Yamsu could have been another event that's worthy of putting in 105, where it's pure, you know, like what was Moshe say, um uh um Hashemila Kemal Khematem Takarishun. You know, God will wage word for you and you be quiet. And then they behold this whole thing and they say, Azya Shir, and then it could have been really, really good, but but no, they sinned. But then God had khased and he saved them, you know, and he he preserved them even though they they they deserved destruction, okay, or they deserved punishment. Then the Tokhorev and uh and this glorious moment, and it could have been that they got the Torah, but then Moshe comes down and sees the the golden calf and he wants to destroy all them, but then Moshe saved them, you know. So as you're going through this, you're like, oh, I'm starting to see a pattern here is that God sets us up for success, and then we fail, and then God's chesed kicks in and he saves us again. Okay, and then you go through example after example, and then you get to the thing that Isaiah noticed, which is um we hit the point of no return. Uh, that is like the um, I know this is about Baias Rishon or Gallus Rishon, but like um the expression he uses by Minasha of like, there's a language of like you've hit the uh can you give me a Tanah? I just want to read it, um, because it's a good uh point of no return phrase.
SPEAKER_06Lost issue there. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02Uh thank you. Um so the uh the one when teaching my students anything about the whore button, I always ask them like if you had to pin the um if you had to pin the blame for everything on one person, I think there's three candidates. Like the whole whore button and and gallows. So one of them is is Minacha, I'm about to read. Anyone have any other uh I think that was already past the point of no return. Um why am I going in the wrong book? Um so another one is uh I think you can blame R Rukhavam, uh, because he the the kingdom split under him. And as I mean, you can blame Shlomo, sorry, Shlomo. You can blame Shlomo. It was via Ruchavam, but Shlomo brought his wives in. So you can blame Shlomo, which is really bad, and then uh Yurov and Navad, also, because he is single-handedly responsible for the entire northern kingdom going off the derek because Hashem promised him uh an equal dynasty that would live forever alongside David as long as he served Hashem, and then he built two golden calves, which is not what you should do when Hashem chooses you to reign over uh ten twelfths of the uh of the of the tribes. Where is the hold on uh he uses the phrase? Oh, here we go, again closer.
SPEAKER_06Closer last king of Israel. Okay, what is it?
SPEAKER_01Oh, here we go, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So Or I can't find it. I mean I found minus yeah There's a phrase that Jim uses where he says like he he uses the language of a point of no return. I can't find it though. Alright, never mind. That didn't work out.
SPEAKER_04Oh I don't know the lush on in Hebrew.
SPEAKER_02Uh maybe they do, but I I don't know if I know it. Oh, here we go. Sorry, this is it, got it. Okay, so it says yeah. Um Hashem spoke through his servants to the prophet saying, Because uh Manasha, and so the the reason why I read why read this is this is describing uh the moment of 39 through 42. Uh yeah, 49 through 42. Um Hashem spoke through his servants the prophet, saying, Because Manasha, king of Judah, has committed these abominations, he did worse than all the Amorite who was it who was before him, and he caused even Judah to sin with its idols. Therefore, thus said Hashem, God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah that both the ears of anyone who ring hears it will ring. I will stretch out upon Jerusalem the level of Samaria and the plumb line of the house of Ahab. I will wipe out Jerusalem as one would wipe a plate thoroughly and then turn it upside down. Um I shall abandon the remnant of my heritage and deliver them into the hands of their enemies, where they will be plundered and trampled by all their enemies, because they did what is in the evil in my eyes and angered me from the day their forefathers left Egypt until this day. So he does reference back all the way. Um, and uh yeah, so um so that's the point of no return. And then now that's where we are now. So, so this member of the gallows who's reading this and having all this resentment towards Hashem, as he's reading this account, he's like, Oh, so Hashem set them up, they sinned, and he preserved them out of kindness. He set them up, saved them again and again and again. Now, why are we here? You know, must be the same pattern, but we need to do tshuva now in order to get back. And there is still a remnant of there still is the Bris Avos that is waiting to kick into gear again once we do this, and then we can we can go back to the land and praise God's name. But um, but yeah, so this is an implicit rebuke. And I think the connection between 105 and 106 is it's not just like, like, in other words, 105 should have continued, but we derail it. And I think this is the flip side of the gavurus hashem in parakouf hey. In other words, there are always going to be gavurus and the flaws. But when we have it good, it's gonna be against our enemies, and when we have it bad, it's gonna be against us, and that's the flip side of the Hajj Gaha. And not to um, I maybe I'm in a uh Miguel's rus mode, but who do we say this to? We say this to Guerin when they convert, right? Um, and we frame it as a flip side of the Hajjgaha. Umpe, 15? Nope, 17, nope, yeah. So we say uh because it has to do with marrying into the Jewish people. Um yeah, so we tell him um heviodeah, the um heviodea shaha ulam habah inot saf and el tzikim the hemisrael. Um uh you you should know that Ulamhaba is uh is only reserved for the tzadikim, and they are Israel, not exclusively Israel, you could be uh, but we assume that he's past that point where he's interested in that. Umsar Bolamaza, and the fact that you see Yisrael in in uh in Tsar in this world, Tobotzfunahilahem. Uh it's interesting. Wow. Tobatzfunahilahem, it is a good uh uh hidden good for them. That's interesting. That's how it literally translate it. Interesting. Anyway, umos they cannot receive the abundance of good in this world like the nations. Shama Yarun Lavavam Vyitu. Maybe their hearts will become haughty and they'll stray. And they'll they'll lose out the reward of Olomaba. Kenish Nemraz says, uh, that Jushun became fat a kick. Uh God does not bring upon them the uh uh excess pruranus so that they would be destroyed, or he doesn't bring it in order that they not be destroyed, but rather all the the nations will be will uh will be destroyed omnim. They will uh uh persist. Um this is actually not the phrase I was looking for. Um what I was looking for is hold on a second, is the earlier phrase? Yeah, this very the very beginning. Kate said coming coming to Gary Tsedek. Um, how do we receive Garit Sedek? When he comes to convert, Vyvtu Acharov Loyum to Yumtu Ila, and they and they check after him, they don't find any ulterior motive. Umrimlo, we say to him, Mara Isis Shabasal these guys, what did you see that you came to convert? You soon bind him, don't you know that Israel at this time is you know downtrodden and and uh pushed aside and afflicted and torn apart, and you soon come upon them? Umr, and if he says a neo dev any kadi, if he says, I know and I'm not worthy, Mukabli knows a miyad, uh, then we accept him immediately. So, in other words, you have to impress upon people that there's two sides of the Hajjgaha. There's the benefit that you get when you're living in line with God's will and you're elevated among all the other nations. But then the bad side, bad, is that you get sar and punishment and excess, you know, suffering, but that's also part of the gavur of Hashem. That's part of the Brits. You know, that's part of the you know, Hazinu and Kisavo and uh Bhalosa, uh not Bahalousha, um, Bakukosai are uh are all part of the bris, you know. So so I I I think there is a phenomenon here of this could have been entirely good, and the Hajjgaha would be with you to help you succeed, but then because you deviated, the Hajjgaha brought punishments to try to get you to come back, but then at a certain point you're you're you're cast off and you have to come back through just Shiva. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05It's that doesn't really make sense to me because in 105, it's not that doesn't make the mention of anything that Bene Swell does good, and that's why you get these things, but as opposed to 106, which is build up these bad things, and this is what they get now. Right. It seems like it's not two sides of the stuff, but more like two perspectives on the on the history of the Bene Srell.
SPEAKER_02Okay, that's true. Uh, but I will say that he does talk about the good of um of the uh of the Avos.
SPEAKER_04And specifically he does not mention that in the next part.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, correct. We're right, right. Uh so then but the the reason why he doesn't mention the good of Bene Israel in one five is because they weren't doing good, right? They they weren't doing bad, but they weren't doing they weren't deserving of good. They were barely you know stringing along, being, you know, the buttons.
SPEAKER_05That's why I think it's just kind of focusing on um like this is this is what will happen when we are goodness what happened when we were bad.
SPEAKER_02No, no, you're right. I shouldn't have put it in exactly those terms, but but like the good of the Hajjgaha that is exemplified in 105 is because of the Avos and the Briswadi Avos, which represents the highest levels of God relating to us to to his servants when they're in line with his will. And then when we deviated, then we're we're we get what happens in 106. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, so I think this is a unified version of the points we were all picking up on, even though it's not entirely within one. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I also wanted to say that um take correctly, but I believe for the first broker. Okay, so is what you said, and we can leave that after we brought up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, correct. Right. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um we can make that and then the last one.
SPEAKER_02That's good. That is good. Okay, so let's just try to summarize uh our current approach here. Okay, we'll end with that. Um, and I guess we're gonna take one more one more uh shot at this next time. Uh I think. Um, so we we didn't do any of the mafars from here this time. So um so the current approach is that um that there's a jolting. Sorry, hold on a second. Um for for for David's men, 105 was a corrective of the of a Kochi the Otsem Yadi uh mentality. Okay, but for us, the the the Jews in Gallus, um we have a different experience of reading these two Prakan. Okay, as we read 105, um which uh you know showcases the protective uh holy good care that Hashem um provided from uh the Avos through Yatzyas Mitzraim. Um we can't help but feel what about us? You know, we're in Tsar Um and have been abandoned uh for all these years, okay? Um, and then this is brought to a crescendo in the beginning of of uh 106. It sounds like we'll be thanking Hashem and enumerating his uh you know his his uh his gurus um uh beyond uh the the Atismit's rhyme, right? Uh instead we're treated to a litany of sins, um which exemplifies you know which which which sound like a like a downer, because it is, all right. Okay, but but as we go through we notice a pattern, okay. Um Hashem sets us up for success with uh niflaos, uh just like in 105, but then we mess things up and threaten to derail the entire operation, okay. But then Hashem uh in his infinite chesed, uh, which is everlasting, uh, provides us with another chance. Oh, sorry, I guess with with salvation and guidance and another chance. Okay. This happens again and again and again until we narrate uh sorry, until we narrate the final straw that results in where we are now. But but by now we recognize that we that we are at fault and that we need to find our way back. Okay. And the Bakusha we say acknowledges that fact by stating that the reason the reason we want to be saved is copying pasting uh sacha, um uh, which is our national mission, um which is uh bolstered by Shomre, was it Shomre Mishpat the Ose Sadaka? And um what is the phrase used at the end of 105? I know it's a different font. I'm I'm also mad. Uh and what else? What's the uh the bavur? Yeshmeru uh hukav of sorosav. Yeah, yeah. So that that's that's the way I'm looking at it. Uh and uniting. Did I miss anything of of uh of our approaches? I'm getting Isaiah's thing about the the change with the point of no return, right? And then Moshe, your your polemic, how did you frame the polemic again?
SPEAKER_05Um I I recommended Oh that the the that yeah specifically saying that you um that after you already kind of like to throw that oh our like you're never got anything done wrong quickly, you might say, okay, but at least everyone for um each of your like even our top heroes in our generation order, there was no good in the generation, but the point is no, there were people who still rose up in the right thing.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so you could say, well, I can't do anything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, okay, good. So that's uh another chance. I'm gonna just add this here. And in in in each generation, uh there were people who exemplified uh exemplified uh these values and inter interceded. Okay, I think this is a good uh good approach for now. And I just feel like we have to uh to bring it home. But uh uh if we stop here, I'd be happy. And if I decide to change my mind and start a new pair next week, then I'll also be happy. But I am I'm curious about this. It's gonna depend on how much time I have, and also if I can find anything in the Mafarchim that like like really like illuminates a new path. But I'm happy with these. I mean, really what we should do is we should do 104, but I'm fine with finishing the the um the what do you call it, the cabla shaba stuff, and then having that be like this year, and then going and finishing the ones in the fourth book that we didn't um that we didn't do uh you know for next year. Yeah, yeah. All right, stop for tonight.