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So go over to our"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1760.5,"endTime":1763.26,"body":"website"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1763.35,"endTime":1767.85,"body":"www.beaconschoolsupport.co.uk.,"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1763.35,"endTime":1767.85,"body":"click on the free resources tab"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1767.85,"endTime":1771.9599999999998,"body":"near the top and look for the"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1767.85,"endTime":1771.9599999999998,"body":"Sen handbook picture near the"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1771.9599999999998,"endTime":1775.53,"body":"top of the page. 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And"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1793.29,"endTime":1798.1499999999999,"body":"to celebrate, why not hold your"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1798.1499999999999,"endTime":1802.02,"body":"own toast masquerade ball."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1798.1499999999999,"endTime":1802.02,"body":"Invite your nearest and dearest"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1802.02,"endTime":1804.87,"body":"and then before the event tell"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1802.02,"endTime":1804.87,"body":"them to toast a piece of bread."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1805.08,"endTime":1808.4099999999999,"body":"Poke out the eye and mouth holes"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1805.08,"endTime":1808.4099999999999,"body":"and then decorate the bread"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1808.4099999999999,"endTime":1811.26,"body":"using whatever sauces or kitchen"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1808.4099999999999,"endTime":1811.26,"body":"products they have to hand."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1811.53,"endTime":1814.8,"body":"Finally attach an elastic band"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1811.53,"endTime":1814.8,"body":"so they can wear their creation"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1814.83,"endTime":1817.83,"body":"on their face and Bob's your"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1814.83,"endTime":1817.83,"body":"uncle. You've got an attractive"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1817.83,"endTime":1821.82,"body":"bread based mask to wear to your"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1817.83,"endTime":1821.82,"body":"ball. Imagine the excitement"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1821.82,"endTime":1825.09,"body":"right now. Will you go with"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1821.82,"endTime":1825.09,"body":"white bread or brown bread? Or"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1825.27,"endTime":1829.35,"body":"perhaps with a generous granary"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1825.27,"endTime":1829.35,"body":"alternative? The possibilities"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1829.3799999999999,"endTime":1833.2199999999998,"body":"are endless. 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I'm busy. That's"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1853.55,"endTime":1856.76,"body":"all we've got time for today."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1853.55,"endTime":1856.76,"body":"Have a great week and we look"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1856.76,"endTime":1860.57,"body":"forward to seeing you next time"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1856.76,"endTime":1860.57,"body":"on school behaviour secrets. Bye"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1860.57,"endTime":1861.1399999999999,"body":"for now."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1861.29,"endTime":1861.83,"body":"Bye"}]}