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Let's call him Tim"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1533.57,"endTime":1536.6599999999999,"body":"that was sweeping across the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1536.6599999999999,"endTime":1539.6899999999998,"body":"jungle road only to be knocked"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1536.6599999999999,"endTime":1539.6899999999998,"body":"unconscious by a passing jeep."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1539.81,"endTime":1542.6,"body":"The Bat fell unnoticed into the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1539.81,"endTime":1542.6,"body":"back of the Jeep and lay there"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1542.6,"endTime":1546.6799999999998,"body":"for three hours initially, Tim"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1542.6,"endTime":1546.6799999999998,"body":"the bat woke up in the darkness"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1546.6799999999998,"endTime":1550.04,"body":"furious headache, and his first"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1546.6799999999998,"endTime":1550.04,"body":"instincts were to seek revenge"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1550.07,"endTime":1553.1599999999999,"body":"on the driver of the Jeep. But"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1550.07,"endTime":1553.1599999999999,"body":"then, as his eyes adjusted he"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1553.1599999999999,"endTime":1555.7099999999998,"body":"realised that the Jeep had been"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1553.1599999999999,"endTime":1555.7099999999998,"body":"on its way to the Del Monte"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1555.7099999999998,"endTime":1558.83,"body":"fruit canning factory, which was"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1555.7099999999998,"endTime":1558.83,"body":"currently dark and silent due to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1558.83,"endTime":1561.32,"body":"the fact it was now late at"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1558.83,"endTime":1561.32,"body":"night and all the workers had"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1561.32,"endTime":1565.52,"body":"gone home. Tim smiled, realising"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1561.32,"endTime":1565.52,"body":"he'd been accidentally smuggled"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1565.52,"endTime":1568.8799999999999,"body":"inside by the very man who took"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1565.52,"endTime":1568.8799999999999,"body":"the fruit that he loved from the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1568.8799999999999,"endTime":1571.61,"body":"trees of his home. And when it"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1568.8799999999999,"endTime":1571.61,"body":"first appeared like a disaster"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1571.61,"endTime":1575.54,"body":"was now actually a triumph. It"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1571.61,"endTime":1575.54,"body":"was just him and tonnes of"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1575.54,"endTime":1578.9599999999998,"body":"bounteous pineapples and bananas"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1575.54,"endTime":1578.9599999999998,"body":"and peaches, and there was no"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1578.9599999999998,"endTime":1582.98,"body":"one there to stop him eating his"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1578.9599999999998,"endTime":1582.98,"body":"fill. Yes, squeaked Tim. This is"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1582.98,"endTime":1586.01,"body":"proof that the benevolent bats"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1582.98,"endTime":1586.01,"body":"God I praised at bat church"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1586.01,"endTime":1589.31,"body":"every Sunday does indeed exist."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1586.01,"endTime":1589.31,"body":"Now Tim had mountains of fruit"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1589.34,"endTime":1593.1499999999999,"body":"and the certain knowledge that"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1589.34,"endTime":1593.1499999999999,"body":"his bat God was real. Calming"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1593.1499999999999,"endTime":1595.9099999999999,"body":"the existential terror and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1593.1499999999999,"endTime":1595.9099999999999,"body":"religious turmoil that have"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1595.9099999999999,"endTime":1598.9699999999998,"body":"plagued his thoughts each and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1595.9099999999999,"endTime":1598.9699999999998,"body":"every day since his youth. He"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1598.9699999999998,"endTime":1603.05,"body":"was truly satisfied. Now that is"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1598.9699999999998,"endTime":1603.05,"body":"a win. And that to bring you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1603.05,"endTime":1605.54,"body":"back to the original point is"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1603.05,"endTime":1605.54,"body":"what subscribing feels like."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1605.84,"endTime":1607.8799999999999,"body":"Good luck with"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1605.84,"endTime":1607.8799999999999,"body":"that Paul. And thanks for"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1607.8799999999999,"endTime":1611.7199999999998,"body":"listening. We hope you have a"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1607.8799999999999,"endTime":1611.7199999999998,"body":"great week just like Tim the"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1611.7199999999998,"endTime":1615.23,"body":"fruit bats, and we look forward"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1611.7199999999998,"endTime":1615.23,"body":"to seeing you some more on"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1615.26,"endTime":1620.75,"body":"episode 101 of School Behaviour"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1615.26,"endTime":1620.75,"body":"Secrets. Thanks for your support"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1620.81,"endTime":1621.74,"body":"and bye for now."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1622.2199999999998,"endTime":1622.61,"body":"Bye now"}]}