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And"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":827.0500000000001,"endTime":831.0400000000001,"body":"that's all we've got time for on"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":831.0400000000001,"endTime":834.85,"body":"this essentials episode. If"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":831.0400000000001,"endTime":834.85,"body":"you've enjoyed listening today,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":835.0600000000001,"endTime":837.82,"body":"please remember to take some"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":835.0600000000001,"endTime":837.82,"body":"time to rate and review us it"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":837.82,"endTime":842.59,"body":"only takes 30 seconds and when"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":837.82,"endTime":842.59,"body":"you do, it prompts the algorithm"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":842.59,"endTime":845.77,"body":"to recommend school behaviour"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":842.59,"endTime":845.77,"body":"secrets to other listeners. And"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":845.77,"endTime":850.27,"body":"that helps us grow the podcast"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":845.77,"endTime":850.27,"body":"and reach other teachers, school"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":850.27,"endTime":854.2,"body":"leaders and parents. And while"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":850.27,"endTime":854.2,"body":"you've got your podcast app"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":854.2,"endTime":858.37,"body":"open, Do please remember to hit"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":854.2,"endTime":858.37,"body":"subscribe so you never miss"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":858.4,"endTime":861.58,"body":"another episode. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":858.4,"endTime":861.58,"body":"listening to this essentials"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":861.58,"endTime":865.27,"body":"episode. And I look forward to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":861.58,"endTime":865.27,"body":"seeing you next time on school"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":865.27,"endTime":865.66,"body":"baby"}]}