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The other"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":545.73,"endTime":549.99,"body":"is bullet proof, doesn't care"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":545.73,"endTime":549.99,"body":"doesn't frame that event as a"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":549.99,"endTime":553.41,"body":"failure, but as an opportunity"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":549.99,"endTime":553.41,"body":"to learn and grow and get better"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":553.41,"endTime":556.62,"body":"at the subject. They both have"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":553.41,"endTime":556.62,"body":"different beliefs. They're"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":556.62,"endTime":560.46,"body":"telling themselves different"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":556.62,"endTime":560.46,"body":"stories about themselves and the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":560.46,"endTime":563.16,"body":"world and the things that have"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":560.46,"endTime":563.16,"body":"happened to them. And for our"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":563.16,"endTime":567.33,"body":"two sisters, one of whom is"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":563.16,"endTime":567.33,"body":"overcome by the traumatic events"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":567.33,"endTime":570.21,"body":"at home, one of whom is"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":567.33,"endTime":570.21,"body":"seemingly getting on and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":570.21,"endTime":575.16,"body":"surviving, it might be that they"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":570.21,"endTime":575.16,"body":"have very different beliefs"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":575.1899999999999,"endTime":577.89,"body":"about the world, they're telling"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":575.1899999999999,"endTime":577.89,"body":"themselves very different"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":577.89,"endTime":581.31,"body":"stories, the first might be"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":577.89,"endTime":581.31,"body":"blaming herself or her parents"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":581.31,"endTime":584.34,"body":"violence, and telling herself"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":581.31,"endTime":584.34,"body":"the story that she's a bad"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":584.34,"endTime":588.63,"body":"person, and unlovable and that"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":584.34,"endTime":588.63,"body":"the world is full of violence,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":588.63,"endTime":592.68,"body":"and she has to be on the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":588.63,"endTime":592.68,"body":"constant watch for attack. 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She's a good person."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":603.24,"endTime":608.13,"body":"And actually, other places in"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":608.13,"endTime":610.98,"body":"the world is safe school is a"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":608.13,"endTime":610.98,"body":"safe place. And there are people"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":610.98,"endTime":614.61,"body":"there who care about her. I'm"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":610.98,"endTime":614.61,"body":"not saying she's happy about the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":614.61,"endTime":617.5500000000001,"body":"violence in the home, or that"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":614.61,"endTime":617.5500000000001,"body":"she is in an environment where"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":617.5500000000001,"endTime":622.62,"body":"she's thriving, or she isn't"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":617.5500000000001,"endTime":622.62,"body":"being emotionally damaged by her"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":622.62,"endTime":627.39,"body":"home life. But those different"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":622.62,"endTime":627.39,"body":"stories could result in the two"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":627.39,"endTime":630.48,"body":"siblings processing the event in"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":627.39,"endTime":630.48,"body":"very different ways."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":630.71,"endTime":633.89,"body":"Now, before you pick up your"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":630.71,"endTime":633.89,"body":"keyboard to email me, or you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":633.89,"endTime":636.65,"body":"know firebomb me on Twitter"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":633.89,"endTime":636.65,"body":"about how intimate partner"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":636.65,"endTime":639.53,"body":"violence and domestic violence"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":636.65,"endTime":639.53,"body":"can impact on kids in loads of"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":639.53,"endTime":643.4,"body":"different ways. And they're not"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":639.53,"endTime":643.4,"body":"all easily visible. I get that."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":643.61,"endTime":647.33,"body":"And I know that some situations"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":643.61,"endTime":647.33,"body":"and mental health conditions are"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":647.33,"endTime":651.62,"body":"complex, more complex than this."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":647.33,"endTime":651.62,"body":"But what I've done is to take an"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":651.62,"endTime":656.48,"body":"example and simplify it to make"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":651.62,"endTime":656.48,"body":"the following points. Often, our"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":656.48,"endTime":660.41,"body":"beliefs or the stories we tell"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":656.48,"endTime":660.41,"body":"ourselves about the world fuel"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":660.83,"endTime":665.0,"body":"emotions, which in turn fuel our"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":660.83,"endTime":665.0,"body":"actions, which essentially is"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":665.0,"endTime":668.63,"body":"the basis of CBT, or cognitive"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":665.0,"endTime":668.63,"body":"behaviour therapy. And"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":668.63,"endTime":673.49,"body":"interestingly CBT is often about"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":668.63,"endTime":673.49,"body":"helping people change those"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":673.49,"endTime":677.24,"body":"underlying beliefs, the stories"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":673.49,"endTime":677.24,"body":"they're telling themselves, so"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":677.24,"endTime":681.5,"body":"they don't have to experience"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":677.24,"endTime":681.5,"body":"those negative emotions and then"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":681.5,"endTime":685.28,"body":"don't engage in damaging"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":681.5,"endTime":685.28,"body":"behaviours as a result, and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":685.28,"endTime":688.76,"body":"helping kids who are"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":685.28,"endTime":688.76,"body":"experiencing difficulties with"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":688.76,"endTime":692.78,"body":"their emotions or behaviours. If"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":688.76,"endTime":692.78,"body":"we can help them change the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":692.78,"endTime":696.71,"body":"stories, they're telling"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":692.78,"endTime":696.71,"body":"themselves, it can be very"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":696.71,"endTime":699.89,"body":"powerful. And that means because"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":696.71,"endTime":699.89,"body":"we know a student has"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":699.89,"endTime":703.16,"body":"experienced a traumatic event in"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":699.89,"endTime":703.16,"body":"their lives, we shouldn't"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":703.16,"endTime":708.1700000000001,"body":"necessarily expect automatically"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":703.16,"endTime":708.1700000000001,"body":"for that child to have poor"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":708.1700000000001,"endTime":712.73,"body":"outcomes in the long term from"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":708.1700000000001,"endTime":712.73,"body":"it. Or, most importantly, we"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":712.73,"endTime":716.0,"body":"shouldn't say there's something"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":712.73,"endTime":716.0,"body":"wrong with that child because"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":716.0,"endTime":720.23,"body":"they aren't experiencing"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":716.0,"endTime":720.23,"body":"emotional turmoil as a result,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":720.62,"endTime":723.44,"body":"different stories, different"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":720.62,"endTime":723.44,"body":"outcomes."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":723.8000000000001,"endTime":726.77,"body":"And that's what I've got for you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":723.8000000000001,"endTime":726.77,"body":"today. Remember, don't forget to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":726.77,"endTime":731.45,"body":"subscribe and leave a rating and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":726.77,"endTime":731.45,"body":"review that prompts the podcast"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":731.48,"endTime":734.57,"body":"algorithm to share school"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":731.48,"endTime":734.57,"body":"behaviour secrets with other"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":734.57,"endTime":737.63,"body":"teachers, school leaders and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":734.57,"endTime":737.63,"body":"parents who might find this"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":737.66,"endTime":741.8000000000001,"body":"information useful. It's another"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":737.66,"endTime":741.8000000000001,"body":"quick fire episode next week. 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