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Even when that"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":636.26,"endTime":639.53,"body":"feels counterintuitive, even"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":636.26,"endTime":639.53,"body":"when someone is saying if you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":639.53,"endTime":642.23,"body":"have a child with a certain"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":639.53,"endTime":642.23,"body":"condition or certain needs, then"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":642.23,"endTime":645.44,"body":"you should be using visual"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":642.23,"endTime":645.44,"body":"timetables, we have to fit our"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":645.44,"endTime":648.59,"body":"solutions and strategies to the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":645.44,"endTime":648.59,"body":"individual child."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":648.62,"endTime":651.83,"body":"And that is where I stand on"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":648.62,"endTime":651.83,"body":"visual timetables, they can do a"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":651.83,"endTime":655.7900000000001,"body":"lot of good, but they can also"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":651.83,"endTime":655.7900000000001,"body":"do a lot of damage. And I hope"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":655.7900000000001,"endTime":658.19,"body":"you found that useful,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":655.7900000000001,"endTime":658.19,"body":"especially if you're supporting"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":658.19,"endTime":662.57,"body":"kids with autism, their own"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":658.19,"endTime":662.57,"body":"transitional needs, or PDA. If"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":662.57,"endTime":665.78,"body":"you did I've got one quick"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":662.57,"endTime":665.78,"body":"favour to ask please spend just"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":665.87,"endTime":669.02,"body":"30 seconds giving us an honest"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":665.87,"endTime":669.02,"body":"rating and review on your"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":669.02,"endTime":671.66,"body":"podcast app. And that tells the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":669.02,"endTime":671.66,"body":"algorithm to share school"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":671.66,"endTime":674.0,"body":"behaviour secrets with other"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":671.66,"endTime":674.0,"body":"teachers, school leaders and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":674.0,"endTime":678.32,"body":"parents who would find this"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":674.0,"endTime":678.32,"body":"information useful. I'll be back"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":678.32,"endTime":681.71,"body":"with another quickfire episode"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":678.32,"endTime":681.71,"body":"next time. Until then have a"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":681.71,"endTime":683.87,"body":"brilliant week. And thank you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":681.71,"endTime":683.87,"body":"for listening."}]}