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So let's imagine we've"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":534.58,"endTime":537.67,"body":"got a child who has issues"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":534.58,"endTime":537.67,"body":"around saying unkind things to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":537.67,"endTime":541.48,"body":"other children, he might set"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":537.67,"endTime":541.48,"body":"them a target of using kind"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":541.48,"endTime":545.8,"body":"words, but if we dig a little"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":541.48,"endTime":545.8,"body":"bit deeper, what if their"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":545.8,"endTime":550.42,"body":"behaviour is actually driven by"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":545.8,"endTime":550.42,"body":"a lack of social understanding,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":550.54,"endTime":553.72,"body":"it might be better to focus on"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":550.54,"endTime":553.72,"body":"that or their behaviour might be"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":553.72,"endTime":557.05,"body":"driven on a lack of emotional"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":553.72,"endTime":557.05,"body":"regulation. And it might be"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":557.05,"endTime":561.58,"body":"better to focus on that. If you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":557.05,"endTime":561.58,"body":"can dig down into the real"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":561.58,"endTime":564.79,"body":"causes of the behaviours and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":561.58,"endTime":564.79,"body":"separate causes from symptoms."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":565.09,"endTime":568.36,"body":"Then the unkind words problem"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":565.09,"endTime":568.36,"body":"disappears as a result, and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":568.36,"endTime":572.26,"body":"you're hitting both problems in"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":568.36,"endTime":572.26,"body":"one go. There's a story that"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":572.26,"endTime":574.72,"body":"this reminds me of, I want you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":572.26,"endTime":574.72,"body":"to imagine there's a river and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":574.72,"endTime":577.48,"body":"there's a lady having a relaxing"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":574.72,"endTime":577.48,"body":"afternoon by the river, it's a"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":577.48,"endTime":582.07,"body":"sunny day, and to her horror,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":577.48,"endTime":582.07,"body":"she sees an unconscious child"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":582.1,"endTime":585.7,"body":"floating down the river. So she"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":582.1,"endTime":585.7,"body":"waves in she pulls the child to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":585.7,"endTime":589.93,"body":"the bank, she knows CPR, so she"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":585.7,"endTime":589.93,"body":"gives the child CPR brings the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":589.93,"endTime":593.53,"body":"child round. The child gets"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":589.93,"endTime":593.53,"body":"groggily to their feet, bangs"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":593.53,"endTime":597.4,"body":"the lady and walks off. Then 10"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":593.53,"endTime":597.4,"body":"minutes later, another child"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":597.4,"endTime":600.4,"body":"floats down the river. To her"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":597.4,"endTime":600.4,"body":"horror, this child's also"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":600.4,"endTime":603.94,"body":"unconscious, so she jumps into"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":600.4,"endTime":603.94,"body":"the river holds the child to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":603.94,"endTime":607.78,"body":"shore CPR, the child gets"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":603.94,"endTime":607.78,"body":"groggily up, is very thankful"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":607.78,"endTime":611.11,"body":"and walks off. And then a third"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":607.78,"endTime":611.11,"body":"child comes down the river. So"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":611.11,"endTime":614.9200000000001,"body":"the lady waits into the river"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":611.11,"endTime":614.9200000000001,"body":"pulls the child to shore CPR."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":615.16,"endTime":618.3100000000001,"body":"One day, there's another lady"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":615.16,"endTime":618.3100000000001,"body":"walking past and she says, You"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":618.3100000000001,"endTime":621.19,"body":"know, I've been watching you,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":618.3100000000001,"endTime":621.19,"body":"You're doing fantastic work,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":621.4300000000001,"endTime":624.49,"body":"dragging those children out of"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":621.4300000000001,"endTime":624.49,"body":"the river and giving them CPR"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":624.49,"endTime":627.01,"body":"and bringing them back to life."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":624.49,"endTime":627.01,"body":"But if you really want to have"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":627.01,"endTime":630.07,"body":"an impact on this problem, I'd"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":627.01,"endTime":630.07,"body":"walk upstream a little because"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":630.07,"endTime":632.62,"body":"there's a man on a bridge"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":630.07,"endTime":632.62,"body":"throwing the children off, and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":632.62,"endTime":634.84,"body":"you might be better off doing"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":632.62,"endTime":634.84,"body":"something about that problem"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":634.84,"endTime":637.09,"body":"than pulling them out of the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":634.84,"endTime":637.09,"body":"river. And it's the same with"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":637.09,"endTime":640.27,"body":"behaviours here, you get"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":637.09,"endTime":640.27,"body":"behaviours that are caused by"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":640.27,"endTime":643.39,"body":"deficits and other directions in"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":640.27,"endTime":643.39,"body":"other places. And if we can"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":643.39,"endTime":646.39,"body":"focus on those cause behaviours,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":643.39,"endTime":646.39,"body":"rather than the symptoms"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":646.39,"endTime":648.58,"body":"behaviour, we're much more"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":646.39,"endTime":648.58,"body":"likely to have an impact."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":648.7900000000001,"endTime":651.19,"body":"Otherwise, we just keep dragging"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":648.7900000000001,"endTime":651.19,"body":"kids out the river and giving"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":651.19,"endTime":651.88,"body":"them CPR."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":654.16,"endTime":658.69,"body":"And that was the first six of"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":654.16,"endTime":658.69,"body":"our 11 questions for locking in"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":658.69,"endTime":661.96,"body":"the success of your school's SMH"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":658.69,"endTime":661.96,"body":"support programmes."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":662.26,"endTime":665.53,"body":"Unfortunately, we're out of time"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":662.26,"endTime":665.53,"body":"for today. So if you want to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":665.53,"endTime":668.35,"body":"know what the next five"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":665.53,"endTime":668.35,"body":"questions were, make sure you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":668.35,"endTime":671.0500000000001,"body":"head back to Episode 15 of the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":668.35,"endTime":671.0500000000001,"body":"school behaviour secrets"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":671.0500000000001,"endTime":675.01,"body":"podcast, I'll put a direct link"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":671.0500000000001,"endTime":675.01,"body":"in the show notes. So you can"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":675.01,"endTime":678.76,"body":"just open up your podcast app"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":675.01,"endTime":678.76,"body":"and click straight through. If"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":678.7900000000001,"endTime":681.0400000000001,"body":"you've enjoyed listening today."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":678.7900000000001,"endTime":681.0400000000001,"body":"Please remember to rate and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":681.0400000000001,"endTime":684.4300000000001,"body":"review as it takes just 30"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":681.0400000000001,"endTime":684.4300000000001,"body":"seconds. 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