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But we do have evidence"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":480.93999999999994,"endTime":484.461,"body":"that exclusions gone down from"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":484.51699999999994,"endTime":487.92499999999995,"body":"one school from the term before"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":484.51699999999994,"endTime":487.92499999999995,"body":"we started to the end of the"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":487.981,"endTime":491.44500000000005,"body":"year when we ended exclusions"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":487.981,"endTime":491.44500000000005,"body":"went from five to one. But I do"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":491.50199999999995,"endTime":494.682,"body":"have to say that lower level"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":491.50199999999995,"endTime":494.682,"body":"incidents don't. And that's"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":494.73900000000003,"endTime":498.37300000000005,"body":"partly because we're not trying"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":494.73900000000003,"endTime":498.37300000000005,"body":"to get rid of conflict. Conflict"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":498.42999999999995,"endTime":501.43999999999994,"body":"is actually a good thing."},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":498.42999999999995,"endTime":501.43999999999994,"body":"Conflict just means that we"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":501.496,"endTime":504.847,"body":"don't all think and feel the"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":501.496,"endTime":504.847,"body":"same way. And as one child put"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":504.903,"endTime":508.595,"body":"it, conflict isn't always bad as"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":504.903,"endTime":508.595,"body":"people, we're all different. And"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":508.65099999999995,"endTime":512.058,"body":"they think and feel different"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":508.65099999999995,"endTime":512.058,"body":"things. And it would be boring"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":512.115,"endTime":515.522,"body":"if we were all the same. So the"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":512.115,"endTime":515.522,"body":"conflicts continue, but they"},{"speaker":"Sara Hagel","startTime":515.579,"endTime":517.34,"body":"don't escalate in the same way."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":517.34,"endTime":519.905,"body":"So that's"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":517.34,"endTime":519.905,"body":"interesting. 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