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We"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2037.1599999999999,"endTime":2040.3999999999999,"body":"hope you found this episode"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2037.1599999999999,"endTime":2040.3999999999999,"body":"useful and that you go on to"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2040.3999999999999,"endTime":2044.0,"body":"have a brilliant week with very"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2040.3999999999999,"endTime":2044.0,"body":"little shouting out during whole"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2044.0,"endTime":2047.6899999999998,"body":"class time. And we can't wait to"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2044.0,"endTime":2047.6899999999998,"body":"see you in the next episode of"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2047.6899999999998,"endTime":2050.27,"body":"School Behaviour Secrets. Bye"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2047.6899999999998,"endTime":2050.27,"body":"for now."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2050.33,"endTime":2050.9,"body":"Bye"}]}