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And I don't"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1919.9399999999998,"endTime":1922.6999999999998,"body":"know what's appropriate to give"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1922.6999999999998,"endTime":1925.9099999999999,"body":"the man at this time of year,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1922.6999999999998,"endTime":1925.9099999999999,"body":"but I'd encourage you just hand"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1925.9099999999999,"endTime":1926.3,"body":"it over."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1926.33,"endTime":1927.83,"body":"We're going to"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1926.33,"endTime":1927.83,"body":"finish by singing happy"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1930.35,"endTime":1931.1299999999999,"body":"birthday...To Us!"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1931.28,"endTime":1932.51,"body":"The saddest"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1931.28,"endTime":1932.51,"body":"chorus."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1932.57,"endTime":1934.34,"body":"That's it for"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1932.57,"endTime":1934.34,"body":"this week. We hope you have a"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1934.34,"endTime":1937.1599999999999,"body":"brilliant week and we look"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1934.34,"endTime":1937.1599999999999,"body":"forward to seeing you next time"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1937.1899999999998,"endTime":1939.5,"body":"on school behaviour secrets. Bye"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1937.1899999999998,"endTime":1939.5,"body":"for now"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1939.8,"endTime":1940.28,"body":"Take Care"}]}