{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":87.35799999999999,"endTime":91.43799999999999,"body":"Seeing lots of escalated incidents during lunchtime in your school with social disputes and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":91.43799999999999,"endTime":97.362,"body":"arguments spilling over into teaching time in the afternoon, or maybe you just want your lunchtime"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":97.362,"endTime":102.39999999999999,"body":"practice to be as good as it can be, then keep listening because we're going to reveal the secrets"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":102.40599999999999,"endTime":109.43199999999999,"body":"of amazing lunchtime behaviour so that your pupils and your staff enjoy a positive midday experience."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":110.41799999999999,"endTime":113.40599999999999,"body":"Welcome to the School Behaviour Secrets podcast."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":113.43799999999999,"endTime":115.392,"body":"I'm your host, Simon Corrigan."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":115.398,"endTime":121.35,"body":"My co host is Emma Shackleton, and we're obsessed with helping teachers, school leaders, parents,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":121.35,"endTime":125.36099999999999,"body":"and, of course, students when classroom behaviour gets in the way of success."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":125.375,"endTime":129.439,"body":"We're gonna share the tried and tested secrets to classroom management, behavioural special needs,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":129.439,"endTime":135.399,"body":"whole whole school strategy, and more, all with the aim of helping your students reach their true potential."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":135.437,"endTime":141.357,"body":"Plus, we'll be letting you eavesdrop on our conversations with thought leaders from around the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":141.357,"endTime":146.376,"body":"world, so you'll get to hear the latest evidence based strategies before anyone else."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":146.376,"endTime":150.399,"body":"This is the School Behaviour secrets podcast. Hi there."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":150.399,"endTime":155.445,"body":"My name is Simon Currigan, and welcome to a freshly boiled and drained episode of school behaviour secrets."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":156.402,"endTime":161.357,"body":"And for your information, this episode's not undercooked. It's al dente."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":161.357,"endTime":162.356,"body":"It's supposed to be like that."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":162.356,"endTime":165.40800000000002,"body":"I'm joined today by my cohost, Hi, Emma."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":165.414,"endTime":170.36399999999998,"body":"Hi, Simon. I thought your introduction was more half baked than al dente this week."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":170.394,"endTime":171.44799999999998,"body":"Rude. Time for a question?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":172.35399999999998,"endTime":172.42,"body":"Of course."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":173.35199999999998,"endTime":179.356,"body":"According to a 2017 YouGov survey, what was the nation's favorite sandwich filling?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":179.42399999999998,"endTime":181.43599999999998,"body":"Cheese. That's my answer. Cheese."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":182.35,"endTime":185.378,"body":"That's very reflexive. Sponsored by a mouse? You're right."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":185.378,"endTime":187.444,"body":"Top of the tree was cheese at 36%."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":188.416,"endTime":190.402,"body":"And then, right, second was mayonnaise."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":190.416,"endTime":193.444,"body":"Now is mayonnaise a filling or doesn't mayo come with something else?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":193.444,"endTime":196.362,"body":"Don't people use mayo instead of butter?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":196.38400000000001,"endTime":199.393,"body":"Anyway, mayonnaise is 20%, whatever you think about mayonnaise."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":199.415,"endTime":202.373,"body":"And ham was 3rd at 16%."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":202.41899999999998,"endTime":205.361,"body":"Only, and this makes me really sad. Right?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":205.386,"endTime":208.44,"body":"Only 1% of respondents said a jam sandwich."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":209.378,"endTime":211.411,"body":"And for me, there's a lot of joy in a jam sandwich."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":211.411,"endTime":212.449,"body":"Can't beat a jam sandwich."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":213.362,"endTime":216.4,"body":"Anyway, what's this waffle got to do with today's show?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":216.43,"endTime":222.385,"body":"There's a clear through line today because we're going to be exploring lunch time behaviour and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":222.385,"endTime":227.391,"body":"what a school needs to have in place to ensure successful lunch time behaviour for all."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":227.397,"endTime":227.447,"body":"Perfect."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":228.399,"endTime":230.40099999999998,"body":"Time for one last quick question?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":230.415,"endTime":231.44299999999998,"body":"Oh, go on quickly, though."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":231.44299999999998,"endTime":233.397,"body":"We've got a podcast to record."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":233.427,"endTime":235.445,"body":"So I'm from the Midlands, and you're from the North."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":236.39,"endTime":243.35299999999998,"body":"Out of curiosity, what do you call the meal in the middle of the day and the meal at the end of the day?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":243.417,"endTime":249.44899999999998,"body":"Okay. Well, up north in Lancashire, where I'm from, we would say dinner time for the middle"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":249.44899999999998,"endTime":256.428,"body":"of the day and tea time at 5 PM sharp. What about you?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":257.374,"endTime":261.422,"body":"Exactly the same. I I call the meal in the middle of the day dinner time and the meal at the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":261.422,"endTime":262.426,"body":"end of the day tea time."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":262.426,"endTime":266.36199999999997,"body":"Again, 5 PM, There's just difference. People use different language."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":266.36199999999997,"endTime":268.395,"body":"Like, my wife's from the Midlands as well, and she does the same."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":268.395,"endTime":273.351,"body":"She tells me a story about when she was at university and, you know, freshman year, everyone"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":273.351,"endTime":274.403,"body":"was just coming together for the first time."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":274.403,"endTime":278.39300000000003,"body":"She was meeting some new people on the halls, and she arranged to meet them at dinner time,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":278.39300000000003,"endTime":280.44100000000003,"body":"and they both turned up completely at different ends of the day."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":280.44100000000003,"endTime":285.411,"body":"It's it's funny how we got such a small country, have so many different, like, bits of language"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":285.411,"endTime":287.371,"body":"and dialects and so on. Anyway I"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":287.371,"endTime":290.399,"body":"I see what you mean. Some people call their evening meal dinner, don't they?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":290.399,"endTime":291.405,"body":"I see what you mean."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":291.411,"endTime":293.374,"body":"Completely off task. Completely off task."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":293.39,"endTime":299.414,"body":"Anyway, whatever you call it, we've got a brand new free download that goes along with this"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":299.414,"endTime":306.389,"body":"episode to help you make lunch times, dinner times, or whatever you call it in your school run more smoothly."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":306.443,"endTime":310.37699999999995,"body":"It's called 6 immediate lunchtime behaviour fixes."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":310.385,"endTime":315.365,"body":"That's the meal in the middle of the day, and it does just what the title says."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":315.365,"endTime":321.44399999999996,"body":"It gives you 6 problem areas that are common in primary school lunchtimes and then gives you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":321.44399999999996,"endTime":325.421,"body":"a 3O second assessment for each of them to see if they apply to your school."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":325.437,"endTime":329.431,"body":"And then if they do, it explains how to put a fix in place quickly."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":329.445,"endTime":335.365,"body":"So this is a completely free download, and you can get it directly from our website, beaconschoolsupport.co.uk,"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":337.354,"endTime":339.41999999999996,"body":"and we'll put a direct link in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":339.443,"endTime":344.41700000000003,"body":"All you have to do to access that link is open up your podcast app, tap on the episode that"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":344.41700000000003,"endTime":349.447,"body":"you're listening to right now, and your podcast app will give you detail about the episode."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":350.37699999999995,"endTime":354.443,"body":"And inside that description, you will find a link that will take you directly to the website."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":354.443,"endTime":358.437,"body":"And while you've got your podcast app open, please remember to subscribe."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":359.35400000000004,"endTime":364.35,"body":"When people subscribe to the show, it makes it more likely that it will be recommended to other"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":364.35,"endTime":366.384,"body":"school leaders, teachers, and parents."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":367.42499999999995,"endTime":374.39700000000005,"body":"So with the first course taken care of, it's time to lean over our plate, open our mouth nice"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":374.39700000000005,"endTime":380.41599999999994,"body":"and wide, and sink our teeth into the delicious chip butty we call behaviour."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":380.42999999999995,"endTime":385.44500000000005,"body":"So we're gonna go through several points here about how to make your lunchtime provision as"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":385.44500000000005,"endTime":390.385,"body":"good as it can be, and we're gonna start with offering SEND provision."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":390.385,"endTime":394.39300000000003,"body":"And when I talk about SEND here or Emma talks about SEND, we're talking about children who have"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":394.39300000000003,"endTime":396.419,"body":"Special Educational Needs and Disabilities."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":397.389,"endTime":402.44500000000005,"body":"Children with SEND needs, particularly kids with social, emotional, mental health needs often"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":402.44500000000005,"endTime":405.385,"body":"find lunch times really, really difficult."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":405.385,"endTime":407.379,"body":"There's a lot of social complexity."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":407.40099999999995,"endTime":409.39300000000003,"body":"They have to interact with their friends."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":409.39300000000003,"endTime":411.37300000000005,"body":"They have to join in with games."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":411.37300000000005,"endTime":413.381,"body":"They have to cope with losing."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":413.381,"endTime":418.409,"body":"There's lots of sensory overload, whether they're in the dining room, and we all know the acoustics"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":418.409,"endTime":424.384,"body":"in dining rooms tend to amplify sound and noise rather than decrease it."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":424.384,"endTime":426.369,"body":"There's lots of movement on the playground."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":426.41599999999994,"endTime":433.433,"body":"If you've got SEMH needs, actually, lunch times can be a time of the day that are actually really difficult to cope with."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":433.433,"endTime":436.427,"body":"They can be really really anxiety provoking."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":436.427,"endTime":438.365,"body":"You might actually dread lunchtime."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":438.403,"endTime":442.427,"body":"You might enjoy going out on the field at lunchtime to play football, but you might actually"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":442.427,"endTime":447.44100000000003,"body":"find that situation really difficult to cope with, especially when your team loses."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":448.419,"endTime":456.423,"body":"So what more and more schools are doing now is providing some quiet SEND provision for those"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":456.423,"endTime":460.36699999999996,"body":"children that struggle being in those situations."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":460.36699999999996,"endTime":462.423,"body":"Now I wanna be absolutely clear here."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":462.423,"endTime":468.40200000000004,"body":"When I'm thinking of SEND provision for kids at lunchtime, I am not thinking of a sin bin, a"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":468.40200000000004,"endTime":471.352,"body":"place where kids are sent as a punishment."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":471.35400000000004,"endTime":477.36299999999994,"body":"I'm imagining here what we've got is a quiet room with maybe 5, 6, 7 kids with an adult, and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":477.36299999999994,"endTime":479.379,"body":"there'll be a range of pleasant games available."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":479.379,"endTime":480.409,"body":"There might be card games."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":480.423,"endTime":482.35299999999995,"body":"There might be craft activities."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":482.35900000000004,"endTime":483.419,"body":"There might be some coloring in to do."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":483.419,"endTime":487.44500000000005,"body":"I've even sent provision where they have, like, an old console or something with a game to play."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":488.351,"endTime":491.394,"body":"This is provision that looks quiet and focused."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":491.41599999999994,"endTime":498.438,"body":"It's a shelter from the storm that's raging outside, and it's provision that kids are sent to"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":499.41200000000003,"endTime":502.355,"body":"proactively in a positive way."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":502.355,"endTime":504.43399999999997,"body":"So let's imagine what that might look like for a minute."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":504.43999999999994,"endTime":511.40700000000004,"body":"Often their lunchtimes are divided up into 20-20-20, and that means they might spend 20 minutes"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":511.40700000000004,"endTime":515.425,"body":"of their lunch hour outside joining in with a social time with the other children."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":516.352,"endTime":520.384,"body":"It might be they spend 20 minutes having their lunch in the dining room or their lunch somewhere"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":520.384,"endTime":523.421,"body":"quiet and 20 minutes inside the SEND provision."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":523.445,"endTime":529.413,"body":"So we're not taking away their opportunity to go outside and meet with their friends and join in with the games."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":529.413,"endTime":536.3629999999999,"body":"But often, children who have SEMH needs, if they're in that kind of busy social environment"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":536.3629999999999,"endTime":539.415,"body":"for too long, then they become heightened, then they can't cope, and then there are arguments"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":539.415,"endTime":544.3629999999999,"body":"and disputes, and that becomes heightened behaviour, and then you have incidents to clear up."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":544.3629999999999,"endTime":548.443,"body":"So they are given that time to mix because that's really, really important that we don't wanna"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":548.443,"endTime":550.357,"body":"take it away from them."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":550.3629999999999,"endTime":555.355,"body":"But if we know from history, if we know from looking over the records that they are consistently"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":555.369,"endTime":559.427,"body":"having difficulties with lunch times, then the fair thing to do is offer them an alternative"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":559.446,"endTime":562.412,"body":"so they then wrote it into some quiet time."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":562.418,"endTime":567.409,"body":"They can still meet with other friends, but they can still be engaged in positive activities."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":567.409,"endTime":569.377,"body":"So this isn't negative provision."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":569.377,"endTime":573.409,"body":"This isn't somewhere you sent when you've you've hit someone or you've done something in inverted"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":573.409,"endTime":575.429,"body":"commas naughty or you've been rude or something like that."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":575.437,"endTime":580.379,"body":"And if you have a room in school, that kind of time out provision, that should be in a completely"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":580.425,"endTime":587.405,"body":"separate room so it doesn't get confused with this room for which the child should only have sort of positive associations."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":588.391,"endTime":594.365,"body":"So by breaking that lunchtime up so the children are being successful, we are structuring lunchtime"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":594.419,"endTime":598.405,"body":"in a way that meets and responds to their needs and enables them to be successful."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":598.443,"endTime":603.432,"body":"We are setting them up for a positive lunchtime experience rather than a negative one."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":603.432,"endTime":608.364,"body":"Yeah. I really like that idea, and I've seen that work well in lots of different schools."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":608.364,"endTime":609.429,"body":"Sometimes it is about providing a different area for eating or different areas in the"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":617.433,"endTime":625.3910000000001,"body":"playground. So maybe having a reading area or a craft area or a quieter zone that the children"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":625.3910000000001,"endTime":630.3870000000001,"body":"who don't enjoy that noise and busyness and the children who don't want to run around or maybe"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":630.3870000000001,"endTime":635.4060000000001,"body":"aren't sporty, that there's something else for them to do, is trying to provide a diverse range"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":635.4060000000001,"endTime":639.448,"body":"of experiences so that you're meeting everybody's needs and preferences."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":640.386,"endTime":642.354,"body":"And this is what we do in the classroom, isn't it?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":642.354,"endTime":646.39,"body":"We wouldn't just give everyone all day long the same set of activities."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":646.404,"endTime":650.412,"body":"If we knew they were going to struggle and fail at them, we would set up structure and frameworks"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":650.412,"endTime":652.443,"body":"and scaffolding so they could be successful."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":653.365,"endTime":659.4150000000001,"body":"Absolutely. And and what we will say throughout this episode is anything that you can do to improve lunch times is"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":670.3670000000001,"endTime":674.393,"body":"a lot less time wasted by dealing with post incident fallout."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":674.423,"endTime":676.447,"body":"Can I add one more thing about that actually as well?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":676.447,"endTime":682.361,"body":"I wanna emphasise that this is is about being inclusionary, not about being exclusionary."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":682.383,"endTime":685.363,"body":"It's not about getting rid of kids off the playground."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":685.363,"endTime":687.437,"body":"It's about giving the children what they need to be successful."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":688.381,"endTime":691.395,"body":"Absolutely. And sometimes it's a really small tweak."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":691.4010000000001,"endTime":697.3670000000001,"body":"So I can bring to mind a pupil that I can think of recently in a primary school who he could"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":697.3670000000001,"endTime":704.357,"body":"cope with the noise fine in the dining room, but what really made him feel anxious and stressed was the smells."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":704.429,"endTime":710.429,"body":"And the really simple thing that they did for this lad was they just made a table close to a"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":710.429,"endTime":713.355,"body":"door, and they propped the door open."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":713.4010000000001,"endTime":716.4110000000001,"body":"So his seat was near an open door."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":716.4110000000001,"endTime":722.397,"body":"It was a bit drafty, but he was in the draft of the fresh air and away from the food smells."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":722.405,"endTime":729.37,"body":"And and that was a really minor adjustment that just meant that he was able to enter the hall,"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":729.385,"endTime":736.436,"body":"to sit in there with his friends like everybody else, but not have that stress of sensory overload"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":736.442,"endTime":739.424,"body":"because of the smells from the kitchen and and the cooking."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":739.4300000000001,"endTime":745.388,"body":"So small things can really have massive ripple effects, really, really big changes. Okay."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":745.388,"endTime":749.4440000000001,"body":"So another area that we have to talk about when we're thinking about how to make lunch times"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":749.4440000000001,"endTime":758.368,"body":"better is what training and support do we give to the adults who are controlling the lunch times?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":758.414,"endTime":761.431,"body":"So supervisors, my heart goes out to them."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":761.431,"endTime":766.437,"body":"The midday supervisors, they really have got the most difficult job."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":767.3580000000001,"endTime":774.352,"body":"They are trying to manage the most hectic, frantic part of the day where you've got the most"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":774.352,"endTime":780.375,"body":"pupils in the smallest amount of space at the most unstructured time. And let's face it."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":780.375,"endTime":787.379,"body":"These adults are often the least trained, lowest paid, and sometimes they are only in school"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":787.385,"endTime":790.3910000000001,"body":"for the hour or the hour and 10 minutes that they work."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":790.436,"endTime":797.362,"body":"So trying to build up relationships or learn about school routines or have consistency and continuity,"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":797.4350000000001,"endTime":804.359,"body":"all of those key factors that underline positive behavior management are extra hard for them"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":804.359,"endTime":806.369,"body":"because of the way that their day is structured."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":807.35,"endTime":814.427,"body":"So what the supervisors need is a systematic form of continuous professional development."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":815.3720000000001,"endTime":817.4060000000001,"body":"And often, sometimes, supervisors are overlooked."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":817.428,"endTime":824.362,"body":"So when schools buy in training for the teachers, they'll often invite the teaching assistants,"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":824.376,"endTime":829.422,"body":"the learning mentors, pastoral team, maybe the office staff, maybe governors sometimes as well."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":829.4440000000001,"endTime":835.381,"body":"But often lunchtime supervisors are not included in that whole staff training."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":835.4110000000001,"endTime":842.361,"body":"So, actually, they they have even less input than everybody else at the time of day when behaviour"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":842.41,"endTime":845.355,"body":"and SEMH needs are likely to be highest."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":845.414,"endTime":853.433,"body":"So we've got to invest in our supervisors in some sort of systematic CPD that is accessible to them."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":854.371,"endTime":856.355,"body":"And you can do that in a couple of ways."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":856.355,"endTime":862.364,"body":"You can group your supervisors together and train them all together, but that can be quite tricky"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":862.364,"endTime":868.3720000000001,"body":"because often they have second jobs or childcare issues or there are other reasons why it's"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":868.3720000000001,"endTime":876.356,"body":"too hard to group your supervisors together, or what we found works better is bite sized pieces"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":876.356,"endTime":879.3580000000001,"body":"of training spread out over the year."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":879.3720000000001,"endTime":884.432,"body":"So rather than all of your supervisors coming together in September on a training day just because"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":884.432,"endTime":889.44,"body":"they owe you an hour because there are no children in the building that day, instead of trying"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":889.44,"endTime":896.379,"body":"to download an hour's worth of training and expect that that will do for the year, we find it's"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":896.379,"endTime":907.39,"body":"much more impactful to do bite sized training, drip fed week on week on week throughout the year. That's what changes practice."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":907.4440000000001,"endTime":914.354,"body":"And we've got to back this up with a CPD system that really holds them to account."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":914.354,"endTime":922.351,"body":"So there needs to be a clear explanation to the supervisors that, look, we are investing in you as a school."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":922.351,"endTime":930.359,"body":"We are buying in training for you, and the expectation is that you will listen and learn from"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":930.359,"endTime":934.392,"body":"that training, and that will influence your practice in a positive way."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":934.398,"endTime":941.437,"body":"So we should be able to see and hear changes in your practice as a result of the training that you're getting."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":942.375,"endTime":946.447,"body":"And sometimes we're not clear enough about that, and supervisors might have some training."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":946.447,"endTime":951.3870000000001,"body":"They might sit and nod in all the right places and say, that was nice. Thanks very much."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":951.393,"endTime":954.383,"body":"And then off they go and carry on just as they did before."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":954.4060000000001,"endTime":957.4060000000001,"body":"So we've got to make the supervisors part of the process."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":957.4060000000001,"endTime":962.418,"body":"We've got to help them understand that we're investing in them, the reasons why they are having"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":962.418,"endTime":968.3580000000001,"body":"training, hopefully explain that this training is part of also what teachers are getting, what"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":968.3580000000001,"endTime":972.355,"body":"TA's are getting, maybe even what parents are getting too."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":972.441,"endTime":977.407,"body":"So everybody is being invested in, and then the training is not done for them."},{"speaker":"Emma 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you get kids dancing around or pushing each other or shouting or doing dumb stuff."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1094.3619999999999,"endTime":1098.426,"body":"And the thing about dead time is it is mostly completely avoidable."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1099.356,"endTime":1104.358,"body":"If you've got long wait times in your dining room, it's because too many children are being"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1104.358,"endTime":1109.356,"body":"brought in before the serving staff have the capacity to cope with them."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1109.418,"endTime":1115.36,"body":"So what we need to be doing is thinking about the flow of traffic into the dining room."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1115.36,"endTime":1116.4199999999998,"body":"When are we bringing children in?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1116.4199999999998,"endTime":1119.3519999999999,"body":"Are we bringing them in when there's just a few 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I say runner."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1164.377,"endTime":1165.437,"body":"Obviously, they're not gonna run down the corridor."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1165.437,"endTime":1171.405,"body":"It's a runner in terms of going between 2 separate people, but you might have children that go backwards and forwards."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1171.405,"endTime":1173.359,"body":"You might have a system of signs."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1173.384,"endTime":1178.3739999999998,"body":"If you can have a sign up against the the window pane in the dining room, if the supervisors"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1178.3529999999998,"endTime":1180.4279999999999,"body":"outside the dining room are able to see that."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1180.4279999999999,"endTime":1184.403,"body":"But that is essential to avoiding dead time."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1184.433,"endTime":1189.413,"body":"And we want to time the queue to assess our average wait time for a class."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1189.413,"endTime":1193.356,"body":"So as a senior leader, you might go into the dining room to see whether this affects you or not."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1193.356,"endTime":1196.359,"body":"You might look at the queue about half the way through lunchtime because that's usually when"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1196.359,"endTime":1199.358,"body":"the dining room is under the most pressure."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1199.3719999999998,"endTime":1203.367,"body":"And you look at a child a third of the way down, 2 thirds of the way down at the back of the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1203.367,"endTime":1208.3629999999998,"body":"queue, and you just sit there with your phone or a stopwatch, and you just time how long it"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1208.3629999999998,"endTime":1210.397,"body":"takes those 3 children to be served."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1210.403,"endTime":1214.3809999999999,"body":"You add those times together, divide by 3 to get the average wait time."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1214.403,"endTime":1220.35,"body":"And what we found is in general, you're aiming for a wait time of less than 5 minutes."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1220.35,"endTime":1225.386,"body":"Now that's based on our practical experience doing over a 100 behaviour audits in real schools."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1225.386,"endTime":1229.436,"body":"If you can get that wait time below 5 minutes, kids are usually quite happy to wait."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1229.436,"endTime":1231.3719999999998,"body":"They're usually quite calm and placid."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1231.3719999999998,"endTime":1236.378,"body":"When you start moving beyond that 5 minutes, you start to get those bored low level behaviors"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1236.407,"endTime":1238.447,"body":"that then someone in the dining room has to deal with."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1238.447,"endTime":1242.433,"body":"And it's not just waiting times in the dining room."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1242.4389999999999,"endTime":1246.408,"body":"Also, think about waiting times at the end and beginning of lunchtime."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1246.358,"endTime":1251.37,"body":"Are kids being lined up at the start of lunchtime to be taken somewhere by a supervisor who"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1251.37,"endTime":1253.4109999999998,"body":"might not turn up for 5 minutes or who might be late?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1253.4189999999999,"endTime":1259.4109999999998,"body":"Or are we getting kids lining up on the playground at the end of lunchtime, but hanging around"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1259.4109999999998,"endTime":1265.357,"body":"for 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 minutes before their class teachers come to collect them and bring them into school."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1265.357,"endTime":1270.4409999999998,"body":"We're looking at avoiding any dead time, any queuing as much as possible because when we do"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1270.4409999999998,"endTime":1273.367,"body":"that, it's gonna have a positive impact on behaviour."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1273.4289999999999,"endTime":1279.359,"body":"Absolutely. And linking into what you've said there about dead time, Simon, is make sure the"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1279.359,"endTime":1281.425,"body":"children have got something to do."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1282.379,"endTime":1287.3509999999999,"body":"They need to be occupied. Yes. This is their downtime. Yes."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1287.3509999999999,"endTime":1289.3539999999998,"body":"This is their social time."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1289.3539999999998,"endTime":1296.406,"body":"But for many children now, having nothing to do is just going to provide the perfect window"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1296.406,"endTime":1304.425,"body":"of dead time for them to invent something to do, which might be disruptive or dangerous even."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1305.366,"endTime":1310.3619999999999,"body":"So, yeah, hanging around and talking to your friends is okay, and it is social time, so we do"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1310.3619999999999,"endTime":1312.4199999999998,"body":"want children to have choices over what they do."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1313.3539999999998,"endTime":1317.4279999999999,"body":"But there is that old saying, the devil makes work for idle hands."},{"speaker":"Emma 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one corner."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1384.436,"endTime":1388.4289999999999,"body":"They've got a box of craft activities like pom pom making."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1389.396,"endTime":1396.413,"body":"They've got ball games such as football games, but they've clearly zoned the playground to keep"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1396.4209999999998,"endTime":1402.399,"body":"the balls in one area rather than letting the children just career across the whole playground"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1402.405,"endTime":1406.399,"body":"chasing a football, boshing through the middle of everybody else's games."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1407.3509999999999,"endTime":1414.355,"body":"So whatever your outdoor space is like, even if it's not that imaginative, you can be really"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1414.355,"endTime":1418.437,"body":"creative with what you do with that space, and zoning is the way forward."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1419.3899999999999,"endTime":1426.3729999999998,"body":"Keeping games in contained spaces clearly marked out, whether that's playground markings on"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1426.3729999999998,"endTime":1432.4289999999999,"body":"the floor, whether it's really cheap, simple, movable barriers, or cones like you'd use in PE"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1432.4289999999999,"endTime":1434.3829999999998,"body":"or any other outdoor sports."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1434.444,"endTime":1442.415,"body":"Find a way to mark out different areas in your playground and then provide a diverse range of activities."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1442.415,"endTime":1444.4009999999998,"body":"They don't have to cost a lot of money."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1444.423,"endTime":1448.3609999999999,"body":"Some schools have a little stage area, which is 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That's free."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1457.358,"endTime":1461.376,"body":"Taking out some kind of music center is very low cost."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1461.416,"endTime":1467.386,"body":"Make sure you've got children who are trained into getting the equipment out, putting it away."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1467.4399999999998,"endTime":1471.413,"body":"Give the children responsibility and ownership over your equipment."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1472.359,"endTime":1478.387,"body":"And that's the way to provide lots of different activities so that if a child gets fed up with"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1478.387,"endTime":1483.4389999999999,"body":"playing football, then they've got something else to capture their imagination and something else to do."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1483.4389999999999,"endTime":1490.4089999999999,"body":"So just like we said with the very first point, it's about creating a diverse range of opportunities,"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1490.447,"endTime":1499.406,"body":"a rich diet for the children to choose their activities from, and that's how you really keep children engaged and occupied."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1500.36,"endTime":1507.3609999999999,"body":"And when schools do this well, they see a reduction in behaviour incidents, they see a reduction"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1507.366,"endTime":1513.3709999999999,"body":"in first aid incidents, and they see an improvement in the children's social skills."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1513.3709999999999,"endTime":1519.4089999999999,"body":"So everybody has a happier lunchtime, the children and the adults, and that's good for everybody."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1520.3539999999998,"endTime":1524.397,"body":"So those are our four factors for lunchtime success."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1524.4019999999998,"endTime":1529.445,"body":"Just to give you a quick recap, number 1 was offer high quality inclusive SEND provision."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1530.367,"endTime":1533.379,"body":"And number 2 was train your supervisors well."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1533.379,"endTime":1539.444,"body":"So don't forget if you're interested in finding out about our free, no obligation to buy trial,"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1540.406,"endTime":1546.398,"body":"you can download the free trial for successful supervisors and take a look and see if you think"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1546.398,"endTime":1551.4009999999998,"body":"this system would be a good affordable solution for your school by going to www.beaconschoolsupport.co.uk."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1553.4309999999998,"endTime":1558.413,"body":"Reduce waiting times so you're getting as little dead time during your lunchtime as possible."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1559.368,"endTime":1563.418,"body":"And finally, provide the kids with something to do. Keep them occupied."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1563.4479999999999,"endTime":1565.36,"body":"Thank you for listening today."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1565.36,"endTime":1566.3799999999999,"body":"That's all we've got for you."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1566.3799999999999,"endTime":1569.403,"body":"If you enjoyed the show, don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1569.403,"endTime":1574.408,"body":"When you do that, it does make a difference to the podcast and helps us grow and get these messages"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1574.408,"endTime":1579.416,"body":"and this information out there to other teachers, school leaders, and parents who would benefit from it."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1579.416,"endTime":1581.416,"body":"So that's all we've got time for this week."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1581.416,"endTime":1586.434,"body":"We hope you have a brilliant week, and we'll see you next time on School Behaviour Secrets. Bye"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1592.4409999999998,"endTime":1593.3909999999998,"body":"for"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1596.377,"endTime":1596.4309999999998,"body":"now. Bye."}]}