{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":87.42999999999999,"endTime":92.62899999999999,"body":"Did you know that one of the most accurate predictors of whether a child will have SEMH needs"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":92.62899999999999,"endTime":98.38499999999999,"body":"in school is actually whether they have difficulties processing and using language."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":98.925,"endTime":104.709,"body":"In this episode, we interview speech and language expert, Tiffany Voigt from Eluma, who explains"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":104.709,"endTime":110.469,"body":"how developmental language delay impacts on student behaviour, what kinds of behaviour in the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":110.469,"endTime":117.10499999999999,"body":"classroom you might see from a student affected by DLD and gives us strategies for helping them"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":117.16499999999999,"endTime":118.925,"body":"meet their potential in school."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":118.925,"endTime":126.99,"body":"Don't go away because this is a massive issue that affects every teacher and every classroom wherever you work."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":127.845,"endTime":130.665,"body":"Welcome to the School Behaviour Secrets podcast."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":130.885,"endTime":132.425,"body":"I'm your host, Simon Currigan."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":132.48499999999999,"endTime":138.22,"body":"My co host is Emma Shackleton, and we're with helping teachers, school leaders, parents, and,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":138.22,"endTime":142.159,"body":"of course, students when classroom behaviour gets in the way of success."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":142.3,"endTime":147.045,"body":"We're gonna share the tried and tested secrets to classroom management, behavioural special needs,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":147.045,"endTime":152.49,"body":"whole school strategy, and more, all with the aim of helping your students reach their true potential."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":152.79,"endTime":157.99,"body":"Plus, we'll be letting you eavesdrop on our conversations with thought leaders from around the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":157.99,"endTime":163.305,"body":"world, so you'll get to hear the latest evidence based strategies before anyone else."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":163.305,"endTime":167.62,"body":"This is the School Behaviour Secrets podcast. Hi there."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":167.62,"endTime":172.2,"body":"My name is Simon Currigan, and welcome to the School Behaviour Secrets Podcast."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":172.33999999999997,"endTime":177.385,"body":"Imagine all the other educational podcasts were a ton of celebrations, you know, one of those"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":177.385,"endTime":183.065,"body":"collections of mini chocolates where each chocolate is individually wrapped, while the other"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":183.065,"endTime":188.81,"body":"Y'podcast would be like the Mars bars or the Galaxy's or the Twix that go quickly. You know?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":188.81,"endTime":190.49,"body":"Everyone grabs them from the box."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":190.49,"endTime":198.954,"body":"We would very much be the chocolates that are left in the bottom of the tin, The chocolate that no one wants. That's right."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":199.094,"endTime":203.515,"body":"You know what I'm talking about. The Bounty, coconut confection."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":203.655,"endTime":205.12,"body":"Sorry, bounty lovers out there."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":205.35899999999998,"endTime":210.499,"body":"If you do indeed exist, but I've seen tins of celebrations left out in staff rooms."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":210.719,"endTime":216.54399999999998,"body":"And while all the other chocolates get devoured at pace, what you're always left with at the"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":216.54399999999998,"endTime":219.92499999999998,"body":"end of the day is a layer of unwanted bounty chocolates."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":219.98499999999999,"endTime":225.73,"body":"I've genuinely watched teachers go into a staff room, see the tin, clearly think to themselves,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":225.73,"endTime":231.75,"body":"oh, I fancy a chocolate, walk over to the tin, look inside, see there's only bounties left,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":231.89,"endTime":234.774,"body":"and then think, now I can do without it."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":234.834,"endTime":239.255,"body":"Turn and walk away, in podcast terms, with that layer of Bounties."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":239.39499999999998,"endTime":242.71,"body":"Now you might be listening to this thinking, I love bounties."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":242.93,"endTime":245.81,"body":"If you do, be sure to let me know on Twitter or x."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":245.81,"endTime":249.67,"body":"My handle is at I don't give a rat's ass about bounties."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":249.86499999999998,"endTime":254.524,"body":"I am going to be messaging you on x because bounties are my favorite."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":255.625,"endTime":257.5,"body":"Oh, people are gonna be hunting me down now."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":257.58,"endTime":259.679,"body":"I thought you were gonna say toffee pennies."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":259.979,"endTime":262.14,"body":"Toffee pennies are the devil's work."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":262.14,"endTime":263.839,"body":"There's just no need for them."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":263.979,"endTime":265.82,"body":"That is the voice of reason there."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":265.82,"endTime":268.376,"body":"My co host, Emma Shackleton, I should should say hi Emma"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":268.376,"endTime":268.97,"body":"Hi Simon"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":268.97,"endTime":273.964,"body":"Before we get into today's show, I've got a question I've been desperate to ask you,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":273.964,"endTime":275.34000000000003,"body":"and it's nothing to do with chocolates."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":275.41999999999996,"endTime":276.22,"body":"Go on then."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":276.22,"endTime":282.46000000000004,"body":"Have you ever been in a situation where someone has said something or done something and you've"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":282.46000000000004,"endTime":285.53499999999997,"body":"been completely lost for words."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":287.435,"endTime":288.895,"body":"Is this a trick question?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":289.515,"endTime":290.815,"body":"It feels like a trap."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":291.03499999999997,"endTime":293.935,"body":"Well, I mean, if anyone's ever been to one of our staff meetings."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":294.2,"endTime":301.1,"body":"Anybody who knows me knows that I am never lost for words, and you of all people should know that, Simon."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":301.265,"endTime":302.96500000000003,"body":"Oh, no judgment. No judgment."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":303.025,"endTime":305.125,"body":"I think we need to flip this question."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":305.905,"endTime":311.15,"body":"Simon, have you ever been lost for words in a situation and why?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":311.61,"endTime":316.544,"body":"Well, it doesn't happen often, but it did happen to me very, very recently."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":316.544,"endTime":320.305,"body":"As an adult, I don't really sort of experience awe and wonder very often."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":320.305,"endTime":325.44899999999996,"body":"But recently, we were lucky enough to take a family trip to Disney World, and there was a ride"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":325.44899999999996,"endTime":327.21000000000004,"body":"there called rise of the resistance."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":327.21000000000004,"endTime":330.35,"body":"It's in the star wars area of the park. Right?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":330.729,"endTime":332.169,"body":"And I don't wanna ruin it."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":332.169,"endTime":334.83500000000004,"body":"For anyone who's never been on it. It's a massive queue."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":334.83500000000004,"endTime":336.83500000000004,"body":"I think the queue was about 90 minutes."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":336.83500000000004,"endTime":343.51,"body":"There's this one moment where you go into a spacecraft and you think you are somewhere, and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":343.51,"endTime":346.39,"body":"then you walk out of the spacecraft and you are somewhere else."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":346.39,"endTime":351.905,"body":"And my son and I went on this ride, and the way they did it is just absolutely incredible."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":352.044,"endTime":355.345,"body":"And we just looked at each other, and we were like, oh my god."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":355.725,"endTime":357.245,"body":"How did we get here?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":357.245,"endTime":360.62,"body":"And I don't wanna say any more than that because that might ruin it if if you've not been on"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":360.62,"endTime":363.26,"body":"the ride because it's a genuine moment of awe and wonder."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":363.26,"endTime":367.645,"body":"But if you're ever lucky enough to go to Disney World, go to rise of the resistance."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":367.70500000000004,"endTime":372.20500000000004,"body":"It is worth the cue because we were just, like, blown away."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":372.265,"endTime":374.68499999999995,"body":"Oh, wow. Right. Should we do some work?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":374.9,"endTime":380.84000000000003,"body":"Okay. We've covered the important topics of Bounty and Disney World and being lost for words. Right. So the link alright. It is tenuous."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":381.22,"endTime":385.78499999999997,"body":"We're gonna be talking to Tiffany Voigt, who is an expert in children's speech and language,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":385.845,"endTime":392.424,"body":"and we're gonna discuss how children's ability to process what people are telling them verbally"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":392.56499999999994,"endTime":400.07000000000005,"body":"and their ability to articulate their own thoughts and desires is actually at the root of lots"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":400.07000000000005,"endTime":405.86400000000003,"body":"of difficult classroom behavior and how by helping them overcome those difficulties, the root"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":405.86400000000003,"endTime":410.91999999999996,"body":"cause, the behaviors we often see associated with them kind of melt away."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":410.98,"endTime":414.84000000000003,"body":"A 100%. This this really resonates with me. It really makes sense."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":415.05999999999995,"endTime":419.08000000000004,"body":"But before we get into that episode, I've got a quick favour to ask our listeners."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":419.58500000000004,"endTime":424.70399999999995,"body":"If you're listening to the podcast today and you'd like to support us, the easiest way, and"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":424.70399999999995,"endTime":427.44500000000005,"body":"it's completely free, is to subscribe."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":428.05999999999995,"endTime":433.65999999999997,"body":"When you subscribe, not only are you telling your podcast app to download future episodes of"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":433.65999999999997,"endTime":439.424,"body":"School Behaviour Secrets so that you never miss another thing, but it also prompts the podcast"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":439.56499999999994,"endTime":445.93999999999994,"body":"algorithm to share our podcast with other listeners too, helping us to grow the show and spread"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":445.93999999999994,"endTime":449.32000000000005,"body":"the information to teachers and parents who need it most."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":449.78,"endTime":456.46500000000003,"body":"All you've got to do is pause the podcast now, tap the subscribe or follow button, press play"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":456.46500000000003,"endTime":458.885,"body":"again, and you'll be back into the show."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":459.025,"endTime":460.80499999999995,"body":"It'll take like 3 seconds."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":463.83000000000004,"endTime":465.77,"body":"Perfect. Done that. Brilliant."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":466.30999999999995,"endTime":471.18999999999994,"body":"And by the way, if you work with kids who present behavior that you find challenging or difficult"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":471.18999999999994,"endTime":477.755,"body":"to manage in the classroom and you're not sure why they're acting that way and you want to dig"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":477.755,"endTime":481.99,"body":"into the root cause of that behaviour, we've got a download that can help."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":481.99,"endTime":486.07000000000005,"body":"It's called the SEND handbook, and it will help you link behaviors you've seen in the classroom"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":486.07000000000005,"endTime":491.025,"body":"with possible causes like trauma, autism, and ADHD, and it does cover DLD."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":491.245,"endTime":494.385,"body":"And the idea, of course, isn't for teachers to make a diagnosis."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":494.765,"endTime":496.78499999999997,"body":"We're just not qualified to do that."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":497.15,"endTime":503.63,"body":"But if we can start to link behaviours to possible causes quickly, it means that we can get the"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":503.63,"endTime":507.385,"body":"right help and get early intervention strategies into place."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":507.765,"endTime":512.54,"body":"And aside from developmental language delay or DLD, it even comes with a set of fact sheets"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":512.54,"endTime":519.485,"body":"that cover conditions like oppositional defiant disorder, fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, pathological demand avoidance, and more."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":519.485,"endTime":524.305,"body":"The handbook is a completely free download, and we'll put a link in the episode description."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":524.765,"endTime":530.42,"body":"So all you've got to do is open your podcast app and click directly through to get your copy."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":530.96,"endTime":534.42,"body":"And now here's Simon's interview with Tiffany Voigt."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":535.545,"endTime":539.545,"body":"I am more than delighted to welcome Tiffany Voigt to the show today."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":539.545,"endTime":544.43,"body":"Tiffany is the director of customer success at Illumina, which is a mental health and special"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":544.43,"endTime":548.43,"body":"educational provider for k 12 or primary students in the United States."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":548.43,"endTime":555.335,"body":"She's been a speech language pathologist for over 18 years with invaluable experience in the k12 education sector."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":555.635,"endTime":560.455,"body":"Tiffany's journey started as an SLP in health care and private practice before she seamlessly"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":560.595,"endTime":563.11,"body":"transitioned to the realm of education."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":563.41,"endTime":570.63,"body":"She recently earned her MBA from Saint Cloud University and her commitment to lifelong learning is evident."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":571.0649999999999,"endTime":577.965,"body":"Her passion for serving students and schools in creative and effective ways led her to customer success at Illumina."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":578.43,"endTime":583.39,"body":"And drawing from her experiences in the classroom, Tiffany uniquely understands the diverse"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":583.39,"endTime":589.635,"body":"needs and challenges of districts and schools allowing her to develop tailored solutions for each one."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":589.635,"endTime":591.735,"body":"Tiffany, welcome to School Behavior Secrets."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":591.795,"endTime":593.795,"body":"Hi, Simon. Thank you so much for having me."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":593.795,"endTime":595.18,"body":"I'm excited to be here today."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":595.18,"endTime":599.4390000000001,"body":"I am too because we're gonna talk today about a subject that I've been trying to get an expert"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":599.5,"endTime":603.174,"body":"on to talk about for a long, long time because it's really important."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":603.174,"endTime":608.475,"body":"We're gonna focus our conversation today on developmental language disorder or DLD."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":609.095,"endTime":612.13,"body":"Now DLD will be new to lots and lots of our listeners."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":612.21,"endTime":618.3100000000001,"body":"So can you tell us a little bit about what DLD, developmental language disorder, actually is?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":618.37,"endTime":624.085,"body":"Absolutely. So developmental language disorder is actually one of the most common developmental"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":624.3050000000001,"endTime":626.005,"body":"disorders that we see in children."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":626.145,"endTime":628.485,"body":"What it is, is really a communication disorder."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":628.85,"endTime":633.59,"body":"So students and children struggle with learning, understanding and using that language."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":633.809,"endTime":638.309,"body":"So we often talk about it as receptive language and expressive language."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":638.565,"endTime":643.0450000000001,"body":"So that receptive language is when you're talking to me, do I understand what you're telling me?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":643.0450000000001,"endTime":646.1650000000001,"body":"Do I understand the directions that you're giving me?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":646.1650000000001,"endTime":650.65,"body":"And the expressive language on the other side is how I communicate with you."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":650.87,"endTime":652.07,"body":"What words am I using?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":652.07,"endTime":653.69,"body":"How am I putting those together?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":653.75,"endTime":658.495,"body":"Am I effectively able to communicate with you to get my message across?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":658.875,"endTime":661.835,"body":"And the developmental language disorder is pretty common."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":662.075,"endTime":666.059,"body":"You know, it can affect anywhere from about 1 in 14 children in kindergarten."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":666.119,"endTime":667.4,"body":"We see it very frequently."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":667.4,"endTime":673.325,"body":"As a speech language pathologist, it was probably one of the top things, that I was really seeing"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":673.325,"endTime":675.885,"body":"students for and working with children on."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":675.885,"endTime":680.605,"body":"It impacts our speaking, listening, reading, and even up into writing."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":680.605,"endTime":685.15,"body":"One of the other things that you might hear developmental language disorder referred to as is"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":685.15,"endTime":689.25,"body":"language impairment, language delay, or, developmental disorder."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":689.3100000000001,"endTime":696.155,"body":"And of course, this is gonna have a big impact on the way children negotiate and cope with classroom"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":696.155,"endTime":700.59,"body":"life because those skills you were just talking about, the ability to receive language and understand"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":700.59,"endTime":704.0500000000001,"body":"what adults are telling them and their friends are telling them and the ability to articulate"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":704.11,"endTime":709.705,"body":"and express themselves, those are pretty key components of survival in the classroom, aren't they?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":709.845,"endTime":716.14,"body":"Absolutely. I think what we see with communication and developmental language disorder is that"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":716.14,"endTime":720.059,"body":"we'll go into a classroom and we have a student and they're like, you know what?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":720.059,"endTime":724.895,"body":"Their behavior is really hard to manage. They're not listening. Participating."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":725.195,"endTime":732.655,"body":"Those are students that get labelled as maybe they're being naughty or it's intentional that they're not paying attention."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":732.9390000000001,"endTime":739.2,"body":"When in reality, is they have no idea what the teacher is telling them. So they're lost."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":739.34,"endTime":743.215,"body":"They're frustrated, They don't know what's going on with their peers."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":743.215,"endTime":745.374,"body":"And so they're keeping themselves busy."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":745.374,"endTime":751.9300000000001,"body":"And unfortunately, sometimes the way that they keep themselves busy is not what the expectation is."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":752.15,"endTime":756.47,"body":"But part of that is they don't understand the expectation because they haven't understood the"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":756.47,"endTime":758.01,"body":"directions that they've been given."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":758.15,"endTime":764.085,"body":"Unfortunately, a lot of those children get labeled as the students who are misbehaving when"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":764.085,"endTime":767.86,"body":"really it's a communication disorder that we need to solve for them."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":767.94,"endTime":770.26,"body":"I have had students that I've gone into the classroom."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":770.26,"endTime":773.32,"body":"I can think of one in particular and he was everywhere."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":773.46,"endTime":775.32,"body":"He was sitting on the bookshelves."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":775.505,"endTime":776.945,"body":"He was in the teacher's desk."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":776.945,"endTime":781.4250000000001,"body":"He was just not able to sit in the circle."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":781.4250000000001,"endTime":784.47,"body":"Well, he didn't understand basic directions."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":784.47,"endTime":787.53,"body":"So if you would say, please sit, he didn't know what that meant."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":787.59,"endTime":791.725,"body":"And he also wasn't able to communicate that he didn't understand."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":791.725,"endTime":797.6650000000001,"body":"And so once we were able to get some of that basic language going, that behavior dramatically"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":798.58,"endTime":800.02,"body":"increased in a positive way."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":800.02,"endTime":805.239,"body":"And it also increased at home and across really the the continuum of his life."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":805.535,"endTime":809.775,"body":"So basically, we're saying if we can track down to that underlying need, in in that case, DLD,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":809.775,"endTime":813.4,"body":"then we can make a real difference for the students in the classroom. I'm just curious."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":813.5400000000001,"endTime":819.7,"body":"What's the prognosis like for kids that have DLD but don't get that kind of support?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":819.7,"endTime":822.365,"body":"What what does their trajectory tend to look like?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":822.365,"endTime":827.245,"body":"Right. Those are our students who struggle throughout the lifetime in school, and they're also"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":827.245,"endTime":831.14,"body":"gonna struggle as adults because that language is delayed."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":831.6,"endTime":837.78,"body":"And sometimes if those skills haven't even been learned yet, what we do as human beings is we cope."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":837.84,"endTime":840.635,"body":"We figure out ways to make things work."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":840.855,"endTime":847.575,"body":"However, there's so much potential for those students that unfortunately, they miss out on their"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":847.575,"endTime":851.809,"body":"full potential because they haven't been given that boost and step."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":851.809,"endTime":857.465,"body":"With specialised treatments from speech language pathologists, from even in the classroom with"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":857.465,"endTime":861.485,"body":"additional supports, the outlook for those students is fantastic."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":861.624,"endTime":865.929,"body":"It's like any outlook we would have for a student without the developmental language delay."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":865.929,"endTime":872.109,"body":"Throughout school, again, those students get labeled as misbehaving, but it comes from a deep sense of frustration."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":872.489,"endTime":878.515,"body":"They're often very discouraged because they see their peers doing things that they say is easy"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":878.515,"endTime":880.9150000000001,"body":"or looks easy, and they often stop trying."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":880.9150000000001,"endTime":886.1800000000001,"body":"I have a student who... who is my daughter, who has a little bit of DLD as well."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":886.1800000000001,"endTime":891.4,"body":"And so with math, she has stopped trying this year. She's very discouraged. She's very frustrated."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":891.62,"endTime":894.575,"body":"She doesn't misbehave, but she definitely does not try."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":894.575,"endTime":899.535,"body":"It is setting her behind for where she needs to be to learn those skills now."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":899.535,"endTime":904.49,"body":"But also, of course, math is a skill that builds as we go along with reading."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":904.49,"endTime":910.01,"body":"And so having to really focus on that, not even to get her where she needs to excel, but really"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":910.01,"endTime":914.085,"body":"just to keep her up to where she needs to be is really a challenge."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":914.145,"endTime":918.405,"body":"We also see a lot of anxiety in students, a lot of shyness."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":918.625,"endTime":926.96,"body":"They are much more apt to withdraw from social situations and be more socially isolated, which can lead to depression."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":927.26,"endTime":934.0640000000001,"body":"They have fewer peer relationships now and as they grow into adults without any interventions,"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":934.765,"endTime":942.1800000000001,"body":"and really a greater risk of being bullied, being victims, because they don't understand what's being told to them."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":942.1800000000001,"endTime":947.455,"body":"They can't read some of the literal and non literal language that's being used with them."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":947.455,"endTime":954.595,"body":"And so that outlook into adulthood without any supports just continues to be a challenge up into the workforce."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":955.22,"endTime":961.22,"body":"However, there is a huge bright light for us of getting in and providing support to students"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":961.22,"endTime":966.865,"body":"with DLD in the classroom that really sets them up for success, and they can be just as successful"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":967.325,"endTime":973.105,"body":"as any other student without DLD, which I think is really the exciting part that this isn't"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":974.08,"endTime":976.1,"body":"disability that you can't overcome."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":976.4,"endTime":983.7950000000001,"body":"You might need to have some alternative ideas, maybe some different ways of doing things, maybe"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":983.7950000000001,"endTime":989.23,"body":"some additional supports, but it isn't something that you can't overcome, which I think is most exciting."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":989.23,"endTime":991.07,"body":"Okay. So that's a very positive message."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":991.07,"endTime":993.97,"body":"And we're gonna get on to how we support those kids in a moment."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":994.27,"endTime":1002.705,"body":"It sounds like unless the adults are being attentive and observing their students carefully,"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1003.085,"endTime":1008.4390000000001,"body":"for some children, this is something that could go under the radar maybe because they're not externalizing the behavior."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1008.4390000000001,"endTime":1011.64,"body":"They're not all throwing chairs or swearing or walking out or whatever it is."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1011.64,"endTime":1015.395,"body":"For some children, they it sounds like they can just quietly sink."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1015.395,"endTime":1016.6750000000001,"body":"I don't know if that's the right word, but"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1016.835,"endTime":1018.615,"body":"They definitely fly under the radar."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1018.755,"endTime":1023.64,"body":"Like my daughter, for example, she will sit in her desk and she will be quiet and she might"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1023.64,"endTime":1029.02,"body":"be doodling, but she is not paying attention whatsoever because she doesn't understand."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1029.08,"endTime":1032.395,"body":"So we assume that she tries right away."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1032.395,"endTime":1036.735,"body":"And the minute that she gets frustrated, then she just kind of daydreams off into space."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1036.8799999999999,"endTime":1042.48,"body":"So it's not all about students who are having behaviors that we notice that are very noticeable"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1042.48,"endTime":1044.355,"body":"and may be dangerous to themselves or others."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1044.435,"endTime":1051.075,"body":"But it is definitely also our students who are disengaged, who might be not engaging with their peers."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1051.075,"endTime":1054.72,"body":"And, of course, there are different personalities of students too who are gonna be a little"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1054.72,"endTime":1058.48,"body":"bit more shy, and not as willing to be part of of groups."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1058.48,"endTime":1060.72,"body":"They want to be more independent and alone."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1060.72,"endTime":1067.425,"body":"But I think when we see students not engaging at all, that's definitely something we wanna understand and look into."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1067.425,"endTime":1072.485,"body":"Is it an activity that they're not interested in, or are they really dealing with some anxiety"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1072.624,"endTime":1074.71,"body":"with withdrawing from from peers?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1074.77,"endTime":1077.749,"body":"Okay. So as teachers, how do we tackle that?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1078.21,"endTime":1084.475,"body":"How do we separate children who who have sort of separate needs from DLD."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1084.855,"endTime":1091.71,"body":"What is it specifically about DLD as teachers are we looking for so we put the right support in place?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1091.71,"endTime":1093.55,"body":"It's really a continuum. It's a gamut."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1093.55,"endTime":1096.1299999999999,"body":"It's not just one thing or another."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1096.19,"endTime":1097.905,"body":"There are different levels of DLD."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1097.905,"endTime":1103.185,"body":"There can be very mild DLD where it kind of looks like students are just struggling, but they're"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1103.185,"endTime":1109.5,"body":"making it through versus students who are really falling behind academically, who are not getting"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1109.5,"endTime":1112.06,"body":"those passing grades in any of their grades."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1112.06,"endTime":1116.0649999999998,"body":"So it's definitely a continuum of severity with that."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1116.0649999999998,"endTime":1121.3449999999998,"body":"But in our younger students, for anybody working with those preschool and pre k levels, you"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1121.3449999999998,"endTime":1123.6,"body":"know, are our students putting words together?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1123.6,"endTime":1125.1399999999999,"body":"Are they putting them in sentences?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1125.36,"endTime":1133.394,"body":"Are they able to follow basic directions, you know, line up, get your shoes, let's go outside, those kinds of things."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1133.394,"endTime":1138.649,"body":"If they're really struggling with those, I think those are big signs to look for."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1138.649,"endTime":1144.9889999999998,"body":"I think even one thing or a few things that we look at are those students making grammatical errors when they're speaking."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1145.129,"endTime":1148.0049999999999,"body":"Are they able to learn new words? And are they initiating"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1155.31,"endTime":1158.29,"body":"responding? Does their response to the question make sense?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1158.4299999999998,"endTime":1163.49,"body":"Or is it kind of just way off base way out in left field for those students?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1163.7099999999998,"endTime":1169.5249999999999,"body":"So things to look for are what are the peer relationships look like? Are they isolating themselves?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1169.905,"endTime":1173.6699999999998,"body":"I think the big trigger really is how is the student doing academically but"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1177.177,"endTime":1177.677,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1180.764,"endTime":1184.705,"body":"And even if you have the opportunity to see how they engage maybe with siblings or parents,"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1184.764,"endTime":1189.05,"body":"that is often a great way to look for some of those common signs of DLD."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1189.1899999999998,"endTime":1191.51,"body":"If we just talk about younger pupils for a moment."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1191.51,"endTime":1197.705,"body":"I was in a nursery the other day where we were sort of looking at a number of pupils and sometimes"},{"speaker":"Simon 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something that maybe isn't so developmental."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1253.215,"endTime":1254.5949999999998,"body":"That's what we're trained in."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1254.655,"endTime":1259.34,"body":"And so I always say utilise your speech pathologist if you have access to one."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1259.34,"endTime":1264.9399999999998,"body":"But I think other things that you can do to separate those behaviors and really support students"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1264.9399999999998,"endTime":1268.2749999999999,"body":"is to start with very basic commands."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1268.2749999999999,"endTime":1272.915,"body":"I think sometimes we are all moving at a very fast pace."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1272.915,"endTime":1275.495,"body":"And so we make things more complicated for kids."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1275.61,"endTime":1281.1499999999999,"body":"So 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Okay."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1539.6299999999999,"endTime":1541.25,"body":"We didn't get it all right today."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1541.3899999999999,"endTime":1543.79,"body":"We got the first part right, we got the middle part right."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1543.79,"endTime":1549.105,"body":"But now we would need to work on the end and build off of the successes that they do have to"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1549.105,"endTime":1554.8639999999998,"body":"help build that feeling of accomplishment for them, because they're gonna see everything as a failure."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1554.8639999999998,"endTime":1558.9089999999999,"body":"The whole thing was a failure if they miss any of the steps. And that's not true."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1558.9089999999999,"endTime":1564.29,"body":"So we need to practice with them, create opportunities for success, and then celebrate that success for them. And"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1572.2199999999998,"endTime":1577.26,"body":"You can get the expertise of an external agency in to support you and understand which strategies"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1577.26,"endTime":1578.9599999999998,"body":"are gonna be appropriate for each child."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1579.245,"endTime":1581.2649999999999,"body":"You used a term there, speech pathologist."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1581.404,"endTime":1587.105,"body":"Could you explain what the difference is between a speech pathologist and a speech and language therapist?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":1587.6999999999998,"endTime":1592.9989999999998,"body":"There is no difference. 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If you're a parent, ask your teacher, how is my student doing?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2255.455,"endTime":2262.16,"body":"What are things that we can do to support them and not kind of overcoming that feeling of, man,"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2262.16,"endTime":2267.455,"body":"have I failed as a parent or a teacher if my student isn't learning? Because you haven't. 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You can go on to our website. It's eluma.com. It's eluma.com."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2299.8399999999997,"endTime":2304.814,"body":"I always like to spell it out because it can be a little bit tricky of what does that say or what do you mean?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2304.975,"endTime":2309.395,"body":"But you can go on to our website, there's a button on there where you can submit questions,"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2310.0,"endTime":2314.659,"body":"and our team can reach out to you, and talk through some of those options."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2314.88,"endTime":2319.255,"body":"We have anything from speech therapy therapy to occupational therapy, counseling for students"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2319.255,"endTime":2325.15,"body":"who are in special education, school psychologists who are gonna do cognitive testing, academic testing."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2325.15,"endTime":2330.0299999999997,"body":"And then we also have a large mental health program as well for students who aren't in the special"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2330.0299999999997,"endTime":2334.735,"body":"services, but need support, maybe a couple sessions, they need to speak with a counselor."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2334.955,"endTime":2339.86,"body":"We also have options for professional development for staff and teachers as well because we"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2339.86,"endTime":2343.3199999999997,"body":"know they need resources because the landscape of the classroom is changing."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2343.38,"endTime":2352.045,"body":"So, we provide support to students in schools anywhere, in what is the MTSS framework from whole"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2352.045,"endTime":2356.685,"body":"classroom learning to universal screeners for classrooms and students all the way up through"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2356.685,"endTime":2359.29,"body":"the specialized services in special education."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2359.75,"endTime":2364.63,"body":"Tiffany, finally, we ask this of all our guests, who's the key figure that's influenced you"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2364.63,"endTime":2369.605,"body":"or what's the key book that you've read that's had the biggest impact on your approach to working with kids?"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2369.745,"endTime":2374.805,"body":"So I had an aunt who had polio when she was 9."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2374.865,"endTime":2381.929,"body":"And she went from being a running around 9 year old to a 9 year old who, was in a wheelchair"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2381.99,"endTime":2384.889,"body":"because it really affected her her muscle control."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2384.949,"endTime":2386.555,"body":"And this was in the fifties."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2386.935,"endTime":2390.475,"body":"And so the approach to students with disabilities was very different."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2390.775,"endTime":2394.0699999999997,"body":"She was very, very bright, very smart. She just couldn't walk."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2394.0699999999997,"endTime":2396.89,"body":"She needed to use a wheelchair. She worked hard."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2397.11,"endTime":2401.9649999999997,"body":"She went on to get her master's degree actually as a speech language pathologist and actually"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2401.9649999999997,"endTime":2404.065,"body":"did a second degree in counseling."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2404.525,"endTime":2408.9449999999997,"body":"And her philosophy and theory was, no, disabilities aren't limiting."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2409.005,"endTime":2410.98,"body":"They can be, but they don't have to be."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2410.98,"endTime":2415.639,"body":"And so if you get the right support and the right help and you're willing to do the work, you"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2416.1,"endTime":2418.02,"body":"can do anything that anyone else does."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2418.02,"endTime":2422.4249999999997,"body":"You might need to do it differently, and you might have to approach it differently, but we shouldn't"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2422.4249999999997,"endTime":2424.584,"body":"limit anyone or any of our students."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2424.584,"endTime":2427.7,"body":"And so I think she's the one who's really had a big impact."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2427.92,"endTime":2434.74,"body":"She went on to do amazing things at a state level, also at a personal level."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2434.9249999999997,"endTime":2441.645,"body":"She impacted so many, so many people, and never let her disability, get in the way of doing"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2441.645,"endTime":2444.08,"body":"what she wanted and how she wanted to do it."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2444.08,"endTime":2451.805,"body":"And so she she's definitely somebody that had a huge influence on my life because she put her mind to it."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2451.805,"endTime":2456.605,"body":"She did things a little bit differently, but she always accomplished the same end goal that anyone else could have."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2456.605,"endTime":2460.12,"body":"Wow. What a positive message to end the interview on."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2460.12,"endTime":2461.48,"body":"Tiffany, I've learned so much today."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2461.48,"endTime":2465.0,"body":"I really appreciate you giving us your time and sharing your expertise."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2465.0,"endTime":2466.12,"body":"Thank you for being on the show."},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2466.12,"endTime":2470.9449999999997,"body":"Thank you so much. It was a pleasure to be here and a speech language therapist, we love to"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2470.9449999999997,"endTime":2476.8849999999998,"body":"talk about language, and so I hope there's been a lot of great information and useful information"},{"speaker":"Tiffany Voight","startTime":2477.105,"endTime":2478.8849999999998,"body":"for for teachers and parents."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2480.29,"endTime":2486.295,"body":"It's really interesting how when you dig down into it, that language difficulties are behind"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2486.295,"endTime":2489.515,"body":"so many of the behaviour issues that you see in school."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2489.735,"endTime":2493.895,"body":"Yeah. And how putting the right compensating strategies and support strategies in place can"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2493.895,"endTime":2496.2599999999998,"body":"make a big difference for the child."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2496.2599999999998,"endTime":2501.06,"body":"And as promised for those of you who want to know more, I put direct links to Tiffany's website"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2501.06,"endTime":2502.92,"body":"and resources in the episode description."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2503.165,"endTime":2507.9649999999997,"body":"To make it easy for you, all you gotta do is to open up your podcast app, and you'll be able"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2507.9649999999997,"endTime":2509.8849999999998,"body":"to tap straight through to them."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2509.8849999999998,"endTime":2514.52,"body":"And if you've heard something today that you thought, well, that would be useful for a certain"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2514.52,"endTime":2517.8199999999997,"body":"colleague to know, don't keep this information to yourself."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2518.2,"endTime":2523.665,"body":"Use the share button on your podcast app to share this episode with them either on your social"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2523.665,"endTime":2527.365,"body":"media or through messenger or WhatsApp or even through a text."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2527.64,"endTime":2533.1,"body":"Your podcast app lets you send them a direct link to this episode really quickly and easily."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2533.3199999999997,"endTime":2536.22,"body":"And that about wraps it up for today's school behavior secrets."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2536.3849999999998,"endTime":2540.865,"body":"We hope you have a very productive and enjoyable week, and we look forward to seeing you next"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":2540.865,"endTime":2543.845,"body":"time on school behavior secrets. Bye for now."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":2543.94,"endTime":2545.88,"body":"Bye now. Don't touch those Bounty's."}]}