{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":87.35,"endTime":92.84599999999999,"body":"Did you know language processing disorders can be a major driver of challenging classroom behaviour?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":92.94999999999999,"endTime":96.71,"body":"Often overlooked, but critical in supporting students with special needs."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":96.71,"endTime":102.81,"body":"We look into how difficulties with understanding and expressing language affect students' emotions and actions."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":103.155,"endTime":107.095,"body":"Tune in for valuable insights that could transform your teaching."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":108.35499999999999,"endTime":113.01499999999999,"body":"Welcome to the School Behaviour Secrets podcast. I'm your host, Simon Currigan."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":113.155,"endTime":119.8,"body":"My cohost is Emma Shackleton, and we're obsessed with helping teachers, school leaders, parents, and, of course, students"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":119.85999999999999,"endTime":122.75999999999999,"body":"when classroom behaviour gets in the way of success."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":122.89999999999999,"endTime":129.075,"body":"We're gonna share the tried and tested secrets to classroom management, behavioural special needs, whole school strategy, and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":129.075,"endTime":133.095,"body":"more, all with the aim of helping your students reach their true potential."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":133.39499999999998,"endTime":140.195,"body":"Plus, we'll be letting you eavesdrop on our conversations with thought leaders from around the world, so you'll get to hear"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":140.195,"endTime":143.94,"body":"the latest evidence based strategies before anyone else."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":144.0,"endTime":149.35999999999999,"body":"This is the School Behaviour Secrets podcast. Hi. Simon Currigan here."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":149.35999999999999,"endTime":156.82,"body":"Welcome back to another mini essentials episode of School Behaviour Secrets, where we revisit key strategies from past episodes"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":157.265,"endTime":161.445,"body":"that can make a real difference in your classroom right away."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":161.825,"endTime":170.54,"body":"In this essentials episode, my co host Emma Shackleton and I head back to original episode number 29 where we unpicked 3 overlooked"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":170.75900000000001,"endTime":173.74,"body":"factors that cause challenging pupil behaviour in school."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":173.95999999999998,"endTime":183.74,"body":"We pick up this interview around the 18 minute mark where we narrowed our focus on language processing disorders and the link with emotional development and behavior."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":183.95499999999998,"endTime":190.755,"body":"And just before we start, I'd like to ask you that if you found this episode helpful, please subscribe and share the School"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":190.755,"endTime":194.115,"body":"Behaviour Secrets podcast with your friends and colleagues."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":194.115,"endTime":197.735,"body":"It helps us continue to grow and support more teachers."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":200.67,"endTime":207.25,"body":"So the third overlooked driver of behaviour in the classroom we're going to look at is language processing disorders."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":207.39,"endTime":215.465,"body":"Now believe it or not, many kids who have difficulties with behaviour and emotions end up being assessed with some form of"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":215.465,"endTime":224.285,"body":"language processing disorder, and it turns out that difficulties with language is a really strong predictor of having emotional problems in the classroom."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":224.745,"endTime":229.78,"body":"A 2013 longitudinal study followed kids from age 7 to 13."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":229.78,"endTime":234.19899999999998,"body":"And what a longitudinal study does is it doesn't just take a short term snapshot."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":234.66,"endTime":241.69299999999998,"body":"It follows those kids over weeks months years to find out what's happening in terms of their emotions and behaviour."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":241.85999999999999,"endTime":251.085,"body":"And the researchers found that language ability predicted behaviour problems, things like aggression and outburst and defiance"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":251.085,"endTime":255.585,"body":"and bullying and lashing out, and it predicted inattentive behaviour issues."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":255.725,"endTime":263.1,"body":"Researchers also did a comparison of things like ethnicity, social economic status, demographics, children's ability academically"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":263.4,"endTime":272.52,"body":"and intellectually, and it was found that this ability with language or these issues with language were the strongest predictor of behaviour problems."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":272.52,"endTime":278.245,"body":"And also when they looked at the data, interestingly, it wasn't the behaviour issue that was causing problems with language."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":278.245,"endTime":282.805,"body":"It was definitely the language disorder that was causing the problems with behaviour."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":282.805,"endTime":288.16999999999996,"body":"And when we're thinking about language processing, there are actually two types that we need to to think about."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":288.16999999999996,"endTime":293.75,"body":"So we've got receptive language and expressive language. So what's the difference?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":293.97,"endTime":302.78999999999996,"body":"Well, receptive language refers to how the child understands language, how they receive those words and how they interpret them."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":303.055,"endTime":308.275,"body":"Expressive language refers to how the child uses words to express themselves."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":308.815,"endTime":317.45,"body":"So you can see how an issue with those skills would really impact on children's ability to integrate into the classroom, socialise"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":317.45,"endTime":323.95,"body":"with their peers, and could easily make a child feel defensive or embarrassed or frustrated."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":324.40999999999997,"endTime":331.33500000000004,"body":"If they're struggling to understand and process the words around them, that could lead to confusion, and if they're struggling"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":331.33500000000004,"endTime":339.735,"body":"to say what they mean or get their needs met because they can't express themselves, then that's obviously gonna cause issues"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":339.735,"endTime":343.68999999999994,"body":"with frustration, which could lead to behaviour difficulties as well."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":343.75,"endTime":351.59000000000003,"body":"Many children with language processing disorders feel frustrated, helpless, and the way that they're gonna demonstrate this"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":351.59000000000003,"endTime":354.40999999999997,"body":"is by acting out or acting in."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":354.56499999999994,"endTime":363.04499999999996,"body":"So that might be hitting out physically or verbally, but it could also be withdrawing from situations that make them feel"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":363.04499999999996,"endTime":370.92999999999995,"body":"uncomfortable, avoiding speaking out in class, avoiding putting their hand up to answer, avoiding asking other children if"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":370.92999999999995,"endTime":372.87,"body":"they can join in with the game, for example."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":373.25,"endTime":377.66999999999996,"body":"One thing as an adult in the classroom you should be aware of is the issue of masking."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":378.04999999999995,"endTime":382.30999999999995,"body":"So some kids mask their needs so they don't stand out or get noticed."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":382.525,"endTime":388.865,"body":"So what they do is they watch their peers and they learn to nod in the right places so they don't stand out. They learn to say yes."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":388.92499999999995,"endTime":395.05999999999995,"body":"They appear to understand what's happening, but then when they go back to their task, if you're thinking about an academic"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":395.05999999999995,"endTime":401.4,"body":"task or when they go to the group, they don't know what to do and they get left out or they may have some sort of social emotional issues."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":401.46000000000004,"endTime":403.53999999999996,"body":"This can stand out a lot in P.E."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":403.53999999999996,"endTime":408.5,"body":"So if you're teaching P.E. and the child appears to know what they're doing, but then they go back to the group and they do"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":408.5,"endTime":414.265,"body":"completely the wrong thing, that might indicate there's an underlying need around language processing."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":414.645,"endTime":419.605,"body":"And the same with the work, if the child's nodding in all the right places when you're explaining the task, but then goes"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":419.605,"endTime":426.519,"body":"away and does something completely unrelated to what you've asked them to do, that may well indicate there's a language processing disorder."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":426.519,"endTime":437.34000000000003,"body":"And sometimes those children can't actually get started with the task because they're not a 100% clear of what to do because they haven't processed the instruction. So it can look like refusals."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":438.03499999999997,"endTime":443.735,"body":"It can look like laziness, it can lead teachers to ask questions like, weren't you listening?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":444.115,"endTime":453.25,"body":"Or to accuse the pupil of being lazy or work avoiding because they're not able to express themselves, or they might not be"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":453.25,"endTime":456.47,"body":"able to hold on to a series of instructions."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":456.92999999999995,"endTime":461.42999999999995,"body":"So they might get the first couple, but then they fall off task and get into trouble."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":461.57000000000005,"endTime":468.725,"body":"This always reminds me of a colleague that I worked with from the communication and autism team, and he explained to me that"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":468.725,"endTime":477.145,"body":"it can take up to 7 seconds for a child to process one instruction. Imagine that, 7 seconds."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":477.63,"endTime":484.53,"body":"If you think about it, when do we ever give 7 seconds processing time between instructions?"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":485.07000000000005,"endTime":493.355,"body":"Most of the classrooms I go into, we are firing off instructions one after the other in quick succession and expecting the children to keep up."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":493.595,"endTime":499.515,"body":"And then if you've got a child with language processing disorders, what happens is they go away and do the wrong thing, and"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":499.515,"endTime":505.45500000000004,"body":"then we get focused on the behaviour, what they've done wrong, or we start to think about the wrong cause."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":505.515,"endTime":515.11,"body":"We think they're lazy or inattentive rather than digging down into the true cause of that problem, which might be expressive and receptive difficulties."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":515.41,"endTime":521.73,"body":"So if you think this may be an issue with a child that you're working with, the best thing to do is speak to your SENCO or"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":521.73,"endTime":528.305,"body":"to the support services that work with your school and ask them to conduct a language screen, and they can give you really"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":528.305,"endTime":535.264,"body":"specific advice on next steps because what you need is a program of support around that individual pupil to help them get"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":535.264,"endTime":537.525,"body":"over their needs because every child is different."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":539.38,"endTime":550.199,"body":"And if you'd like to know two more significantly overlooked factors that cause challenging pupil behaviour, feel free to pop back to the original episode. That's episode number 29."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":550.5,"endTime":553.079,"body":"I definitely recommend you have a listen."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":553.115,"endTime":555.295,"body":"I'll put a direct link to it in the podcast description."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":555.515,"endTime":561.055,"body":"If you love helping others, why not share the School Behaviour Secrets podcast with a friend or a colleague?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":561.275,"endTime":568.81,"body":"All you have to do is open up your podcast app, click the share button, and let them in on all the great insights too."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":568.81,"endTime":572.65,"body":"With a quick tap, they'll be listening in no time. And that's it for today."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":572.65,"endTime":577.55,"body":"So thanks for listening, and I look forward to seeing you next time on School Behaviour Secrets."}]}