{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":87.50999999999999,"endTime":90.39,"body":"Ever had that moment where your reward system just dies?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":90.78999999999999,"endTime":96.71,"body":"The stickers start working, the house points barely register and the prize box, well it might as well be filled with gravel and cabbage."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":96.78999999999999,"endTime":100.53999999999999,"body":"My name's Simon Currigan and I've spent the last 18 years helping literally thousands of teachers, pupils and school leaders with SEMH and behaviour."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":105.83,"endTime":109.63999999999999,"body":"I've trained thousands of staff, completed thousands of lesson observations in schools and more than 100,000 educators use my SEND behaviour handbook."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":114.81,"endTime":117.81,"body":"To understand pupil behaviour and I've even run a PRU for permanently excluded pupils and today I'm going to show you exactly"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":121.85,"endTime":125.0,"body":"why rewards stop working and what you need to do instead so behaviour improves naturally in your classroom rather than needing"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":128.81,"endTime":133.45,"body":"you to hand out constant bribes to get anything done. Let's get into it."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":172.89999999999998,"endTime":175.06,"body":"Hi there, welcome to School Behaviour Secrets."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":175.22,"endTime":178.22,"body":"My name's Simon Currigan and I'm the kind of man who loved that game in the original Shenmue on the Dreamcast where you move"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":182.01999999999998,"endTime":185.7,"body":"crates from one location to another and that was it, that was the whole mini game."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":185.78,"endTime":192.26,"body":"Move a crate, move it over here with the forklift, drop the crate, repeat. Hours of my life gone."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":192.5,"endTime":199.94,"body":"It's like I was doing something that other people do in real life as a job but I wasn't getting paid for it and I loved it. And what blows my mind?"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":200.58999999999997,"endTime":206.51,"body":"Is that I genuinely thought I was making progress in the game, but really I wasn't getting anywhere at all."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":206.67,"endTime":216.26999999999998,"body":"And I can't even remember the relevance of moving the crates to the story quest, which dodgy link alert is the perfect metaphor"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":216.35,"endTime":219.23,"body":"for what happens in school when rewards stop working."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":219.39,"endTime":229.32,"body":"We go through the same motions because they used to work three years ago. We keep moving the crates. We keep handing out house points. We keep the system going."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":229.88,"endTime":236.04,"body":"But the truth is, somehow quietly, it stopped having any real impact ages ago."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":236.28,"endTime":238.12,"body":"And yet we keep persisting with it."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":238.28,"endTime":241.25,"body":"If you're new to School Behaviour Secrets, this is the podcast where we unpick what's really going on with pupil behaviour"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":244.35999999999999,"endTime":250.35999999999999,"body":"and SEMH needs, and then we give you straightforward strategies to make a difference in your classroom or your school."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":250.68,"endTime":254.46,"body":"And if you like my references to crate moving, forklift driving, or any other forms of virtual manual labour as it relates to SEMH or behaviour in school."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":258.48,"endTime":263.12,"body":"Stop what you're doing immediately and leave me a review on Apple or Spotify."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":263.28,"endTime":265.28,"body":"It helps spread the word about the podcast."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":265.44,"endTime":275.03999999999996,"body":"And while you're there, if you haven't subscribed yet, give that subscribe button a quick tap and a tickle so you never miss a future episode. Right, so rewards. Let's jump into it."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":275.28,"endTime":281.12,"body":"Today we're tackling something every teacher experiences but no one warns you about in your training."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":281.36,"endTime":286.0,"body":"The moment that your reward systems that used to work beautifully get stuck."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":286.15,"endTime":291.19,"body":"Stuck over time like the door on a badly built Ikea wardrobe."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":291.35,"endTime":297.19,"body":"It used to motivate your class but now it barely moves the needle at all."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":297.43,"endTime":303.43,"body":"The house points, the stickers, the golden time, the dojo monsters, they've all started working and I'm gonna look at why"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":303.75,"endTime":306.87,"body":"that is and more importantly what we do next."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":307.43,"endTime":316.54999999999995,"body":"So let's start by looking at why reward systems feel magical in September and deeply disappointing by March. Here's the key takeaway."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":316.78999999999996,"endTime":321.5,"body":"Rewards tend to have immediate impact on our kids because they're shiny and new."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":321.82,"endTime":326.22,"body":"When we introduce something new to a group of kids, there's like a novelty effect there."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":326.46000000000004,"endTime":335.1,"body":"Their brains go, Ooh, stickers or ooh, house points or ooh, a 37p key ring shaped like an off-brand K-pop demon hunter."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":335.26,"endTime":349.58000000000004,"body":"And then after a while, the novelty of those rewards and the novelty of that system wears off and that's human nature. The sticker stops feeling special. The house point becomes normal. It becomes humdrum. The prize box, it becomes predictable."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":349.99,"endTime":355.90999999999997,"body":"And what felt exciting yesterday becomes every day today. It's boring even."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":356.39,"endTime":360.95000000000005,"body":"This isn't a sign, by the way, of your class being shallow or that you're teaching ungrateful kids."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":361.27,"endTime":366.07000000000005,"body":"It's a sign the human brain is doing exactly what it has evolved to do."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":366.23,"endTime":368.95000000000005,"body":"It's built into our psychology for good reasons."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":369.11,"endTime":375.66999999999996,"body":"So let me introduce a psychological concept that describes this perfectly. It's called the hedonic treadmill."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":375.83000000000004,"endTime":383.98,"body":"Whatever good thing happens in your life, you quickly get get used to it. It becomes normal."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":384.14,"endTime":386.93999999999994,"body":"And once it becomes normal, it becomes expected."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":387.17999999999995,"endTime":395.5,"body":"It no longer drives behaviour so your kids get a house point, lovely. After a week, expected. After three weeks, bare minimum."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":395.65999999999997,"endTime":398.46000000000004,"body":"After 12 weeks, meh, can live without it."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":398.70000000000005,"endTime":404.22,"body":"The kids start moaning that what you're offering them isn't even a genuine brand K-pop demon hunter key ring."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":404.46000000000004,"endTime":411.58000000000004,"body":"What's happened here is, it's not that the reward system has failed, it's just doing what reward systems do. They fade over time."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":411.98,"endTime":416.53,"body":"Like all of us, they have a limited lifespan. And we should expect that."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":416.92999999999995,"endTime":424.77,"body":"So now I want to introduce you to something I call house point inflation and it works like this, which is another danger of what happens when these systems fade."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":425.09000000000003,"endTime":432.21000000000004,"body":"When teachers notice these reward systems losing their sparkle, what we do is the obvious thing. We increase the dose."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":432.53,"endTime":437.33000000000004,"body":"So one house point becomes three, one raffle ticket becomes a strip of five."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":437.65,"endTime":445.01,"body":"The prize box, it gets bigger and then bigger again with more choice, more glitter, more of those fidget toy things where"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":445.09000000000003,"endTime":450.36,"body":"they have the bits that pop in and out that you only see in schools and the reward sections of seaside arcades."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":450.6,"endTime":457.79999999999995,"body":"But here's the problem, increasing the reward only works for a short time before the treadmill catches up again."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":458.12,"endTime":464.43999999999994,"body":"The more we inflate the rewards, the more the kids expect the inflated rewards and the faster they lose their power."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":464.84000000000003,"endTime":472.52,"body":"And this is where things start to get messy because eventually kids begin to expect the reward for something they used to do for free."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":472.84000000000003,"endTime":479.54999999999995,"body":"So instead of I'll tidy up because that's what we do in this classroom or because being tidy important to me personally, we"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":479.78999999999996,"endTime":482.18999999999994,"body":"start hearing what do I get for tidying up?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":482.42999999999995,"endTime":488.18999999999994,"body":"And this is the point where the teacher relationship with the pupil becomes transactional. Tit for tat."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":488.27,"endTime":492.27,"body":"You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. It's all about me. What's in it for me?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":492.59000000000003,"endTime":501.95000000000005,"body":"And once the relationship has shifted to a transactional one, you have to keep paying to maintain a minimum standard of behaviour. Not with money, obviously."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":502.03,"endTime":504.59000000000003,"body":"I'm talking the currency of like points, cards, tokens."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":504.66999999999996,"endTime":509.35,"body":"And when the reward or a token has become the reason to behave."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":509.66999999999996,"endTime":515.83,"body":"It quietly replaces the original internal reason the child brought anyway to do the right thing."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":516.15,"endTime":521.67,"body":"It skewed the why that's driving our students behaviour and that's really dangerous ground."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":522.15,"endTime":528.55,"body":"I want to bring in a classic piece of research here from Edward Deci. Classic but really sad actually."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":529.03,"endTime":532.63,"body":"He gave a group of reception children who loved art activities."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":532.79,"endTime":536.55,"body":"He told them that they would get a special reward every time they drew a picture."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":536.79,"endTime":540.9399999999999,"body":"At first, as you can imagine those kids were thrilled. Motivation shut up."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":541.18,"endTime":549.1,"body":"I mean, you can imagine kids were like elbowing each other out of the way to get a space at the art table. It probably went all Hunger Games. All right, not really. That was my imagination."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":549.18,"endTime":555.98,"body":"Anyway, the point is, kids who naturally loved drawing, and that's the important part, these are kids who already had a desire to draw."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":556.38,"endTime":562.54,"body":"The adults started incentivizing them to do that art with prizes and rewards. And here's the kicker, right?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":562.78,"endTime":568.54,"body":"A few weeks later, when the adults removed that reward, something genuinely awful happened."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":568.7,"endTime":573.89,"body":"Their love of drawing dropped below where it had been before the start of the experiment."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":574.13,"endTime":580.6899999999999,"body":"Their engagement at the art table dropped below that normal point below where it was at the start of the test."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":580.85,"endTime":585.25,"body":"So the kids actively lost interest despite loving art. And why was that?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":585.65,"endTime":588.77,"body":"It turns out it was because the adults had taught the children's brains."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":588.85,"endTime":591.33,"body":"You don't draw here because you enjoy drawing."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":591.49,"endTime":593.73,"body":"You draw because you get a kickback."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":593.97,"endTime":599.33,"body":"Take away the treat and the internal motivation inside the child. Well, that goes away with it."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":599.57,"endTime":608.52,"body":"If we're not careful, we can accidentally create this effect in our classrooms and our schools or in our kids if we're parents all the time."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":608.84,"endTime":612.76,"body":"For pupils with SEMH needs or SEND needs this is actually amplified."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":613.0,"endTime":619.5600000000001,"body":"You can imagine kids with poor working memory falling behind in reward systems because they literally forget to follow the"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":619.5600000000001,"endTime":622.76,"body":"system consistently so they don't earn enough points."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":622.9200000000001,"endTime":629.88,"body":"You can see anxious kids becoming terrified of losing their place on the chart or slipping down a behaviour chart onto the sad cloud."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":629.96,"endTime":636.66,"body":"Kids at the the bottom of a sticker chart or those kids in secondary who never earn points in class learn the wounding message,"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":636.9,"endTime":640.74,"body":"I'm the kind of child who never wins or never gets noticed."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":640.9,"endTime":648.58,"body":"People with trauma even can interpret reward systems as putting conditions on the relationships that they have with adults in school."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":648.82,"endTime":654.98,"body":"So they say, if I behave, the adult sees me as worthy. If I don't, I'm out. That relationship is done."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":655.3000000000001,"endTime":663.0500000000001,"body":"And then what happens is they opt out of that system because, well, it's better to be in control of the opting out than it is being rejected by the adult."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":663.13,"endTime":666.97,"body":"They reject the system, they reject the adult before it rejects them."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":667.2900000000001,"endTime":670.86,"body":"When we look at this through the PAIN framework, the primary areas of internal need, we see the impact of what happens when reward systems go wrong."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":676.01,"endTime":679.13,"body":"And if you want to know more about the PAIN framework, jump back one episode to episode 255, where I sort of go through it in detail."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":682.97,"endTime":690.73,"body":"But basically, in the key categories that fuel stress in students, we could have rewards impacting on the physical domain,"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":690.8100000000001,"endTime":698.6,"body":"the physical category, because sensory overload means that certain students might miss instructions and lose points in a busy classroom."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":698.76,"endTime":706.12,"body":"You can see it affecting the emotional category because rejection sensitivity makes public reward systems painful when you don't achieve."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":706.52,"endTime":714.0400000000001,"body":"You've got the cognitive area where kids who experience slower processing, they're always just behind the others and not making"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":714.36,"endTime":715.96,"body":"sense of how to win the rewards."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":716.12,"endTime":720.12,"body":"On the social side, you might see the same kids winning every single week."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":720.36,"endTime":728.03,"body":"And on the pro-social side, if a student can't contribute in the way a reward system demands, fans, they're left feeling like an outsider."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":728.35,"endTime":735.39,"body":"Plus, reward systems can accidentally reinforce shame, which leads to a whole range of issues."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":735.63,"endTime":744.19,"body":"And this is why long-term intrinsic motivation beats extrinsic motivation, which is reward systems every day of the week."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":744.59,"endTime":749.7900000000001,"body":"Extrinsic motivation is when you do something to get a reward or avoid a punishment."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":750.11,"endTime":756.83,"body":"Intrinsic motivation is when you do something because it lines up with who you are or the values that you hold."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":757.46,"endTime":761.7,"body":"Intrinsic motivation, it comes and goes because of the hedonic treadmill."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":761.86,"endTime":771.3000000000001,"body":"Intrinsic motivation, well that's scientifically proven to be much longer lasting. Extrinsic motivation is visible. Intrinsic motivation is invisible."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":771.5400000000001,"endTime":778.4200000000001,"body":"Extrinsic motivation relies on being caught doing something good so you get rewarded by someone else."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":778.66,"endTime":782.1,"body":"Intrinsic motivation, well that doesn't care who's watching."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":782.26,"endTime":789.14,"body":"And I think as teachers and school leaders, we aren't just aiming for pupils who behave well because they think points are on offer."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":789.61,"endTime":795.37,"body":"We want people to behave well because that's the kind of people they believe they are."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":795.61,"endTime":797.2900000000001,"body":"And this is where identity comes in."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":797.53,"endTime":805.2900000000001,"body":"When children see themselves as the kind of people who act in a certain way, they behave consistently, whether it's the usual"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":805.37,"endTime":814.09,"body":"teacher in the room, or it's a supply teacher, or a PPA teacher, or there's an Ofsted inspector there, or absolutely no one is watching."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":814.33,"endTime":817.69,"body":"They do the right thing because it's the right thing."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":818.09,"endTime":820.89,"body":"They're polite because they care about other people's feelings."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":821.0500000000001,"endTime":826.8100000000001,"body":"They help others because they don't like to see others struggle get left behind and they care about their friends."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":827.0500000000001,"endTime":832.89,"body":"So you hear them saying kind of identity-based phrases like in our class we look after each other."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":833.13,"endTime":836.41,"body":"I'm the kind of person who sticks at things even when they're hard."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":836.73,"endTime":840.57,"body":"At this school or in this class we treat people fairly."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":840.89,"endTime":847.69,"body":"When you tie behaviour to identity like that you're building something that lasts longer than any sticker chart."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":847.85,"endTime":851.0,"body":"You're building an ethical, moral, identity-based framework that helps your students negotiate the world, not just today,"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":855.6800000000001,"endTime":857.6,"body":"but for the rest of their lives."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":857.76,"endTime":862.88,"body":"And I want to pull in some research from David Desteno here that he describes in his book, Emotional Success."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":862.96,"endTime":864.4,"body":"If you haven't read it, I recommend you do."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":864.48,"endTime":868.24,"body":"It's brilliant, it's evidence-based, but it's also super accessible."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":868.4,"endTime":874.24,"body":"And what he found was two emotions correlate strongly with long-term goal achievement."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":874.4,"endTime":878.72,"body":"And they were gratitude and pride, but they work very differently."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":878.88,"endTime":884.95,"body":"His research found that gratitude improves improved relationships and emotional well-being for students."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":885.19,"endTime":891.83,"body":"But pride, and I'm talking about here pride that's done in a healthy way, not an arrogant way, pride builds identity."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":892.3100000000001,"endTime":896.15,"body":"It sends the message, I am the kind of person who does difficult things."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":896.47,"endTime":899.75,"body":"I can trust myself, I can rely on myself when things get tough."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":899.91,"endTime":901.91,"body":"I am the person that sees things through."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":902.3100000000001,"endTime":910.39,"body":"In his studies, it built resilience in people and this kind of persistence towards goals and identity that we all want to see in our students."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":910.63,"endTime":919.1,"body":"This is why saying, you should be proud of how you solve that problem is actually far more powerful than here's a sticker for solving that problem."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":919.58,"endTime":924.62,"body":"One builds identity, the other builds dependency on the next handout."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":924.86,"endTime":929.74,"body":"So what do we do in our classrooms when rewards start working? So here's the practical part."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":929.82,"endTime":931.02,"body":"Here are the steps to take away."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":931.34,"endTime":933.4200000000001,"body":"Start by auditing your current reward system."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":933.74,"endTime":939.48,"body":"Ask yourself, in my classroom or in my school, who always wins? And who never wins."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":939.72,"endTime":943.08,"body":"Has reward inflation crept into our way of doing things?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":943.4,"endTime":945.88,"body":"Do the kids still care about the reward system?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":946.28,"endTime":952.44,"body":"Or if I took that reward system away, would it really make any difference to the way kids act and behave anyway?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":952.76,"endTime":959.72,"body":"Next, start linking children's behaviour to their identity. Use identity-based statements every single day."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":959.96,"endTime":962.6800000000001,"body":"Link kids' behaviours to aspects of their character."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":963.16,"endTime":968.9200000000001,"body":"So say things like, you didn't give up on that maths even though you found it hard. That makes you resilient."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":969.0,"endTime":971.3100000000001,"body":"Or, I'm proud you for sticking through that."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":971.71,"endTime":978.75,"body":"Those kind of statements, they matter more than the points that you can hand out to incentivize them. And you know what?"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":979.07,"endTime":983.39,"body":"The kids will love you more as a professional for it, and that's a bonus."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":983.63,"endTime":989.39,"body":"Next, think about using rewards as a launch pad, not for seeing you through the entire journey."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":989.47,"endTime":994.27,"body":"So I'm not saying tear up all your reward charts, set them on fire, put them in the bin."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":994.4300000000001,"endTime":1002.4300000000001,"body":"But if you are going to use them, use them intentionally as a temporary support to launch new behaviours or new patterns or"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1002.51,"endTime":1005.23,"body":"new routines and then intentionally shift away from them."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1005.47,"endTime":1009.71,"body":"Don't cling on to them or make them the reason children behave in the long term."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1010.11,"endTime":1016.91,"body":"Transition from the reward to the identity, which means you'll gradually need to fade the rewards over time."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1017.23,"endTime":1022.83,"body":"When you do that, like don't go cold turkey, don't go from a situation where you have lots of rewards and then fall off a cliff."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1023.15,"endTime":1029.54,"body":"That causes riots that creates a sense of unfairness in the class because the children then say, we don't know where we stand."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1029.94,"endTime":1037.94,"body":"What you need to do is reduce the frequency of how often you give those rewards out, give the kids notice that the system"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1038.26,"endTime":1043.7,"body":"will fade away over time, build in more verbal identity feedback as you do this."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1044.02,"endTime":1053.46,"body":"And you do that by building shared class values essentially keep referring back to as a group, this is who we are, this is how we behave."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1053.7,"endTime":1058.5,"body":"And this is how we treat people here in this room, in this building."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1058.6599999999999,"endTime":1064.01,"body":"And when you do that, you find that kids rise to your values and they stop chasing rewards."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1064.25,"endTime":1070.57,"body":"Now, obviously, there are going to be some special cases and special reasons to introduce rewards and as ever, what works"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1070.6499999999999,"endTime":1073.37,"body":"with your students is the most important thing."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1073.77,"endTime":1078.8899999999999,"body":"You are the expert on your kids and don't let anyone tell you anything different."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1079.29,"endTime":1085.05,"body":"But if you're looking at your class or looking at the kids in your school and you're offering them house points or dojos or"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1085.05,"endTime":1093.58,"body":"whatever it is, and that bribe isn't really landing, well, Well, maybe it's time to look at a different form of motivation, intrinsic motivation."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1093.74,"endTime":1095.5,"body":"So wrapping up the message is simple."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1095.58,"endTime":1099.5,"body":"Rewards can kick-start behaviour change, but they won't sustain it."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1099.6599999999999,"endTime":1106.3,"body":"And if you want that behaviour to last longer than a cheap pack of shiny stickers from Amazon, you need identity, you need"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1106.46,"endTime":1109.42,"body":"pride, and you need that intrinsic motivation."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1109.6599999999999,"endTime":1116.06,"body":"Before you go, if you found today's episode useful, make sure you subscribe so you never miss a future one."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1116.3,"endTime":1122.609,"body":"And if you want more help on improving the motivation of your class and how they engage in your lessons, We've got a free download to help you."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1122.6889999999999,"endTime":1129.4089999999999,"body":"It's called the Classroom Management Score Sheet, and it gives you a checklist of actions and factors inside the classroom"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1129.569,"endTime":1132.2089999999998,"body":"that impact on behaviour and motivation in class."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1132.4489999999998,"endTime":1136.529,"body":"And it gives you simple, concrete ways of moving things forward."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says 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That's beaconschoolsupport.co.uk."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1143.649,"endTime":1149.99,"body":"Click on the free resources section and then click on the image for the Classroom Management Score You know how to use a website."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1150.1499999999999,"endTime":1156.6299999999999,"body":"You'll see it near the top, but I'll also bang a direct link in the episode description that takes you straight through to"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1156.6299999999999,"endTime":1158.7099999999998,"body":"the score sheet for this podcast as well."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1159.03,"endTime":1161.59,"body":"Hope you found that useful today and thanks for listening."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1161.6699999999998,"endTime":1168.55,"body":"If you heard something that's worth sharing, remember forward it on to two or three colleagues using your podcast app or just"},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1168.79,"endTime":1173.59,"body":"share this podcast on your social media using the share button. Thanks for listening today."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1173.75,"endTime":1175.11,"body":"I hope you have a brilliant week."},{"speaker":"In simple terms, the hedonic treadmill says this","startTime":1175.4299999999998,"endTime":1177.51,"body":"And remember, behaviour isn't built with stickers."}]}