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You"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1328.57,"endTime":1332.11,"body":"could either send them a message"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1332.1399999999999,"endTime":1335.32,"body":"or simply use the share button"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1332.1399999999999,"endTime":1335.32,"body":"in your podcast app."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1335.6499999999999,"endTime":1337.75,"body":"And then other"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1335.6499999999999,"endTime":1337.75,"body":"teachers and school leaders can"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1337.75,"endTime":1341.1699999999998,"body":"find the show and start getting"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1337.75,"endTime":1341.1699999999998,"body":"the help they need to support"},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1341.1699999999998,"endTime":1343.03,"body":"the kids in their classrooms."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1343.07,"endTime":1345.1699999999998,"body":"Next week."},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1343.07,"endTime":1345.1699999999998,"body":"We're going to talk to Janine"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1345.1699999999998,"endTime":1348.9499999999998,"body":"Dodds. 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We hope"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1374.02,"endTime":1376.9299999999998,"body":"you have a great week and we"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1374.02,"endTime":1376.9299999999998,"body":"look forward to seeing you on"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1376.9299999999998,"endTime":1380.7099999999998,"body":"the next episode of school"},{"speaker":"Emma Shackleton","startTime":1376.9299999999998,"endTime":1380.7099999999998,"body":"behaviour secrets. Bye for now."},{"speaker":"Simon Currigan","startTime":1381.01,"endTime":1381.4599999999998,"body":"Goodbye"}]}