Practical Physician Side Hustles: Inspiration and Tools for Every DPC Doctor’s Next Step

In this episode of the My DPC Story Podcast, Dr. Naomi Lawrence Reid, founder of DoctoringDifferently.com, joins the show to share her journey from traditional clinical practice to becoming an expert in physician side gigs. Dr. Lawrence-Reid discusses the challenges of working within the insurance-driven healthcare system, including Dr. Reid’s eye-opening “diaper chair” experience in an academic pediatric ER (see the blog accompanying this podcast at mydpcstory.com for the picture). Dr. Reid reveals her top five high-yield side gigs for physicians looking for alternatives beyond full-time clinical roles: launching an aesthetics practice, medical writing, per diem and locum tenens work, expert witness services, and veteran disability exams. She also demystifies the business and money side of working independently, touching on health insurance, retirement, malpractice, and business structures like S Corps. Dr. Reid emphasizes that these side gigs can provide financial stability and act as bridges to building a Direct Primary Care (DPC) practice. Listeners are encouraged to explore her resources, summer series, and Academy for more guidance. Whether you’re a current or aspiring DPC doctor, this episode is a powerful resource for diversifying your income and reclaiming physician autonomy.

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Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 1:16

Direct Primary care is an innovative alternative path to insurance-driven healthcare. Typically, a patient pays their doctor a low monthly membership and in return builds a lasting relationship with their doctor and has their doctor available at their fingertip. Welcome to the My DPC Story podcast, where each week you will hear the ever so relatable stories shared by physicians who have chosen to practice medicine in their individual communities through the direct primary care model. I'm your host, Marielle Conception. Family, physician, DPC, owner, and former fee for service. Doctor, I hope you enjoy today's episode and come away feeling inspired about the future of patient care direct primary care. I am so excited for our conversation today. I am so excited because Dr. Lawrence Reed, a good friend and a kick butt entrepreneur, is going to be talking all about her experience as a physician who was in the system. We are going to ask Dr. Lawrence Reed to talk about the diaper chair and yes, I said the diaper chair and that will be clear as we go on. But. Dr. Lawrence Reed has become a friend. After randomly meeting her at the Flexed Summit, she was a fellow speaker and what she was talking about was physician side gigs. And for this topic especially, I have been wanting her to come onto the podcast and talk about her entire platform that is built around physician side gigs because for almost a decade, she has left the system and gone into the side gigs that she's going to touch on in part today and more. So she is my go-to expert when it comes to physician side gigs, and I'm super excited to have her join us today.

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 3:03

Thank you for having me. I kick butt back at you. You are. I call you mother because man, when I need a dose of passion and anger and motivation to change the system, you are who I go to. So thank you for having. I love it.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 3:18

So we are recording in the same time zone. Dr. Lawrence Reid is down in San Diego, but she has been not only incorporating side gigs, but also traveling all over the world for the past three years. I, the number one question I ask her when we talk is, where are you physically to today? So we are gonna just zoom in though on that position, expertise, and. Again, I want to open with the diaper chair story. So definitely pause, go to the bathroom, do what you have to,'cause you might be ping your pants after the ridiculousness of the diaper chair story.

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 3:50

Sure. So, my story starts off like so many of us did what we were supposed to do med school residency. I got my. First real job. It was a full-time academic clinical job. It was in a pediatric emergency department. And within the first couple of years I began to think, wow, this is not that great. I am not enjoying this. I'm working overnights and weekends and holidays and I was making$125,000 a year and told that was my fulltime salary and that was the most I deserved doing what I did. It didn't feel right, but I. I hadn't, I, I didn't think I could leave. So one night I'm walking into my shift in the pediatric er, and there's a small office in the back of the er, like most ERs for physician charting. Two desk, two chairs, two computers a tiny little closet. Space and I walk in and the armrest off of one of the chairs, the available chair was broken off and there were shards of metal sticking up. And there was a little post-it note on the computer that said, admin is aware of the chair, working on it. So I, I thought, okay, someone is over at office max spending, I don't know,$80,$90 for a new office chair for US physicians to write our notes because we all know how important. Physician charting is so I do my shift. I write my notes with my arm pinned to my torso, so I'm not impaled by the shards of metal sticking up from this broken chair. I finish my shift, I go home, I return the next day or the day after for my next shift, and I walk into the office and instead of a. New office chair instead. The administration has wrapped diapers around the shards of metal on the physician charting chair. And I stood there and I just, I, I, in that moment, I felt truly my value and my worth in that department. And that's why I started off saying it was overnights. It was weekends, it was holidays. It was a non-negotiable schedule and contract and. That diaper chair on top of almost three years of that kind of work environment, really in that moment crystallized. What I would and would not tolerate out of this career, and I'm a general pediatrician, I truly did not know any options. This is the end of 2016. There wasn't as much discussion about side gigs or alternate ways for physicians, non-traditional ways for physicians to practice. There really wasn't that much discussion happening at that point. I did not know a single doctor doing anything but full-time clinical medicine. But at that moment I knew I had to do something else and I submitted my letter of resignation that night.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 6:39

I love it and it totally resonates with the audience, especially because we're coming up days away from the national A FP co-sponsored DPC summit. And so I think that there's going to be a lot of chatter about not only this episode, but also I hope that it gives the audience members some. Information going into Summit when they're thinking about how am I going to finance my DPC journey. That could be somebody who's planning outta residency, that could be somebody who's open and is, wanting a little bit more funding during the year. Fantastic. And I know that you were one of our most requested speakers to come back for our 2026 California DPC Summit, which is gonna be next June, and already people. Already, we have six people signed up for our limited tickets, so definitely go to kelly dpc.com because we have a limited number for that one. But going back into our talk today, you have. Condensed your, and I say condensed because it's like, that's saying it very lightly. You have condensed your almost decade of experience into a course and you have that course put on doctoring differently.com. There will be a link, so you can check that out in the show notes, but also the blog accompanying Dr. Lawrence Reed's podcast, but also after the California DPC summit, you had started a summer series and that was really hitting on the, the top five. High yield content that people are asking for, and the most popular piece of the content when people are asking you about side gigs for physicians including, and especially DPC physicians. So, that's right. I'm super excited to get into the top five. We're not the same as Billboard, but what is our number five rolling in at Dr. Lawrence Reed's top of the list?

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 8:24

Sure. So I'll say if we're gonna. Countdown to the most requested. I'll say, well, let me just start with saying that I have modeled doctoring differently and everything that I teach out of my own personal experience, I, after that diaper chair, I put my letter of resignation in. I had a few months. All I knew was going per diem and per diem felt, for so many of us, it's like, wait, only nurses go per diem? What do you mean you're going per diem? It, it felt like the only doctors I knew who could go per diem were, maybe mothers of seven children who had a neurosurgeon husband that was, those were the only doctors who could, could go per diem, but in fact. We all can and probably should. So it just I've modeled this whole course and the doctoring differently platform off of what I experienced, what I learned what I tried, what I know to be true and available these lucrative opportunities available to all doctors. So I'll say that number five, to answer your question would probably be starting an aesthetics practice. Mm-hmm. So we're gonna, we're gonna work back and I, and I want doctors to know that, listen. Each of these things. I rolled in one at a time. But there are so many really intentional, tangible ways that you can start from wherever you are. So of course, the aesthetics in med spa field encompasses so, so, so much. But it wasn't the first thing I did. I, as I said, per diem, locum, some of those clinical things were the first that I did. But I would say when I talk to people who are interested in a new venture getting into either Botox or fillers or weight loss or hormones. Anything in that space and medical directorship kind of just getting really good mentorship. I think many of us have been perhaps approached by a nurse practitioner, pa or a nurse about this field. And, and serving and working as a medical director can sound incredibly intimidating. We think about the risk to our license, the liability and those exist, but they're also very. Smart and potentially lucrative partnerships that can emerge from such relationships. So I talk about courses that any doctor can take to enter into the aesthetics field. When I was considering it after a few years post diaper chair I initially thought, well, ugh. I'm a pediatrician. I can't do be doing Botox or fillers. And it was a, a family friend, he was a surgeon. He'd opened up a, a, a, a med spot in the Midwest and he said, you do harder things every day, don't you Suture kids' faces in a PDR? Aren't you doing LPs? Botox fillers. You can learn, and then it's a lot simpler and easier than what you're already doing. So that was a great I think boost of encouragement for me, at least at the beginning. I took a number of CME accredited classes in Southern California, and I, I started a concierge med spa at 2018. That's still going today. So learn you can learn how to start or at least consider starting an aesthetics practice from any specialty.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 11:09

the other thing that I, I wanna make sure that we mention is that I, I think it was after I saw you at the last flex month summit, you're like, oh, tomorrow I have an in-home Botox party. Yes. And so you, you literally have been taking your knowledge and applying it where your patients and your clients are asking.

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 11:26

It's true, it's true. I've really enjoyed doing this aesthetics part. I would say the, the main thing, and I think the most important thing that doing it very much for me, I'd never wanted to make it, I didn't wanna own a brick and mortar med spa. I think it can be in incredibly intimidating at the beginning to think, oh, I see that giant med spa at the corner, down when I'm on my way to work. And I, I don't know if I could ever do that. And you don't have to, you can just start with taking a course or maybe starting a small practice. But for me. It taught me the value of my time, my energy and what I can earn. We never are the ones, generally, I guess your DPC audience maybe is closer to this now, but in our training, we don't perform a service and then. Open our palm for a credit card. We never experienced that exchange of direct services for money. Obviously that help. It happens way above us and beyond us with different people, different hands. And so we never have that quite, that understanding of what is my time worth. So if I tell a patient, oh, we're gonna do, a few things on to your face, on your face and. 35 minutes later, I say, okay, that'll be$2,000. And they hand over their credit card. It's like, oh yeah, that is the value of my time and energy. So that was something, at least personally, that I'm grateful that aesthetics taught me

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 12:43

what is coming in at number four.

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 12:45

Number four would have to be medical writing. And whenever I say medical writing, physicians say, wait, what is that? Why haven't I heard of that? And I say, well, there's a reason. But enough of my conspiracies I medical writing, who writes everything we read? Okay, someone has to write it. Those they didn't drop out of the sky on tablets from the heavens. Someone writes the things that we as physicians read, and quite frankly writes the things that the world reads about health and medicine and, and wellness and fitness. So, from everything from. CME from up to date, red Book, FDA. We're talking about journals. We're talking about articles, and I'm not just talking about the dance of trying to get something published in an academic journal. We know too many, so many doctors know that that can be a, a really, ineffective use of a lot of time and energy. But I'm talking about medical writing that actually. Pays you the physician for your knowledge, for your expertise. So medical writing is available to all physicians, and my favorite phrase is, are you a physician? Can you write, you're a medical writer. Look, it's already true. And you don't need to have a journalism degree. You don't need to go to a writing workshop. To start. Yes, there are always things you can do to improve your writing, but I think we as physicians are so used to so many mantras about what we can and can't do. Oh, I'm not a good writer. Oh, I can't understand business. Oh, I can't. And these are things that were perpetuated and taught and have gotten inside of us and made us feel like we are so stupid about everything that is not clinical medicine and that is not true. We are all. Good writers. So, so medical writing is absolutely something that every physician can start today. You can put it in your LinkedIn bio, you can put it in your email signature. Dr. Naomi Lawrence Reed founder of doctoring differently, board certified pediatrician medical writer. Boom. I did not lie. I am a doctor who writes, you are a doctor who writes, ergo, you are a medical writer.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 14:44

Love it. And what is coming in at number three?

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 14:49

Number three would have to be probably, I'm gonna put per diem and locums work in the same bucket here. And again, I'm going out of order of my own kind of personal career journey. But per going, per diem, as I mentioned, was literally all I knew. I only knew clinical medicine. I only knew doctors and pediatricians working clinically. I knew I couldn't stay at the institution where I was. I had$200,000 in educational debt. I just needed to pay my bills. And I figured, listen, I cannot go to another full-time job right now. So I am going to go per diem. And just understanding that. Even that step, I'm, I'm working in my specialty, I'm working in my community. I'm being paid hourly. I don't have administrative duties and responsibilities to a department. Everyone is so happy to see me because I'm effectively a substitute teacher and helping, a potentially understaffed department. There's always a physician who's sick or has an obligation or is on maternity or whatever it is. So, to be able to kind of slide in and help out it for me. Was such a, a step in the right direction. From there, after about nine months of doing per diem work, I took my first locums gig at that point. So I remembered my residency program directors basically said, never pick up the phone when locums recruiters call. Never do locums, never consider it. It is not for, real and serious doctors don't do that. So at that point I said, you know what, what else? I'm gonna maybe do the opposite of what I was. Taught to do because what I did, what they told me, and I wasn't happy there, so I'm gonna try this and had an incredible experience. So over the past seven years, I've done a number of locums through a locums agency and direct contracts with, with different facilities that are short term, that are rural or critical access. I have earned so much money, probably five times what I could earn here in San Diego. So, doing locums, knowing how to negotiate, knowing how to speak to recruiters, and understanding that they work for you and not the other way around, that you can control the conversation, that you can dispense them effectively to find the. Type of job or contract you're looking for was a game changer. I'll quickly say the number one question I get about locums is, okay, so how do I find a locums agency? How do I find a good one for my specialty? And I always say, until I, until I potentially start my own, which I have not done until, until that happens. There is no perfect locums agency, okay? It is not about the agency. It is about you, the physician, knowing how to negotiate and advocate for yourself. These are corporations, these are companies. They have the same end goal, which is hope making money. But, so you have to understand that it's about you and, and be clear and articulate about what you need and what you want from a contract. So it's not about the agency, it's about you, the physician. So that's number three.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 17:42

That's awesome. And I will say that this is exactly the, the, the content around the circumstances where I met you, we were at the Flexed Summit last year in 2024 and as a DPC doctor talking about DPC as a side gig for specialist to get into the world of DPC. That's right. Or a specialist to leave. A non-primary care specialty and start A DPC. That's where, I was really focusing in, but then it was so empowering to hear you talk about a lot of the things that we find in DPC, like, word of mouth, who you prefer to build your website, who you prefer to be your lawyer. The same type of thing happens in the physician per diem and locums world and that mm-hmm. There's definitely. Ways to do things even without a recruiter. Yes. There's, there's ways to do things that are vetted and tried by physicians like you, and it helps you be autonomous, but also be intentional about physically where you're gonna go. There was a, an hemon doctor I believe she was in Florida, but she, at the end of hearing people like you speak, she was like, oh. So I don't actually have to leave my neighborhood to do locums jobs. This is amazing. That's right. And there's, there's an entire, an entire world of strategy behind making a side the out of locums and per diem work. And this is where, I, I am so glad you're mentioning this because people need to know and just to let you know. Not only is Dr. Lawrence Reed speaking in her summer series that's coming up in August, we'll put the link to sign up for that in the show notes. But also she has her course year round or digital course doctoring differently. And she's also going to be talking at the rise up. Physician Summit that's going to be happening virtually in October, so definitely check out the link in the show notes for that as well. But this is where, yes, you can do per diem and you can do locums, and you can do, we're not even on number two, number one. But you can do aesthetics and you can do med writing. As a DPC doctor, so that's right. Let's go to number two. All

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 19:57

right. Number two, I would say is probably expert witness work or physician expert witness work. And I think that we all initially have a, have a, a little chill goes through us. When we think about expert witness work, we think that we'll end up in a, in a courtroom that's, full of dark wood and there's an angry lawyer, wagging his finger in our face while we take the stand. And it's, that is what we think it is. We also think that it's probably going to require throwing another doctor under the bus or, having to judge or criticize another doctor or another physician's decis decision making. I'm here to tell you both of those things are actually relatively rare. I I've been doing expert witness work for over four years now. I'd say less than 30% of the cases I've worked on have been around physician malpractice. I think that's a common misconception that. That is the only intersection between medicine and law is malpractice, when in fact there are so many civil cases happening every day, all the time that involve injury or illness. But in no way are they criticizing a physician's care. An example I use is I've worked on a case where there were two families living next to each other. One family's dog, but the other family's child, and eyes of his as a pediatrician was asked. To distill a stack of medical records. The child went to the er, their pediatrician, plastic surgery. And so there were just a number of records about antibiotics, about the types of sutures, about the types of procedures and the, and the lawyers are just like, we don't know what's happening. We don't know what these words are. And they asked me to distill it, and there was. Absolutely no focus or blame on the pediatrician's care or any of the physicians who saw that child. By the way, I now charge around 600 to$700 per hour to review these charts and to do this kind of work. So of course it is incredibly lucrative. And the other part is now in this post pandemic era, I have never actually met a lawyer in person. I've only had zooms and phone calls. Okay. And emails, exchanges. So this is, effectively a remote physician gig that we can, all of us could do, and quite frankly, I'll say this, and I'm just gonna go out there, that I believe every physician who is out, more than three to five years from training can work as a physician expert witness. This is an open book test. You always have, access, you're never be put on the spot. Surprise. They might ask you if you're a pediatrician about lead testing. They may ask you a family medicine doctor about a, a poisoning or toxicology or something like that. You have time to go look things up and come back with your response or your answer. So, this is not a, a kind of pop quiz on the Krebs cycle. You can. Look things up. And I also believe every physician at some point in our career should actually partake in this work. I think it's important for all of us, even if it be turns into a malpractice or you're presented with a malpractice case. I think that physicians of honesty and integrity who believe in science should be working on all sides of all cases, including malpractice. I would want that. You would want that. I think all of your listeners would want that as well. So, expert witness work number two. In the summer series and in the full doctoring differently academy course, I teach exactly how to start finding. These kinds of opportunities as a medical expert witness because it can feel, you can feel like a sitting duck like, well, how do I even start? How do I even find it? Where do I even look? And I'll say. You can start. So I teach exactly how to start for any physician of any specialty. You don't have to, necessarily stroll into a lawyer's office or have connections with the high powered attorneys in the media or the news. There are so many cases happening in every community. As I said, they, I would. Say a minority of them are malpractice. But there are a number of cases of personal injury or sadly child abuse in, in my field as a, as a pediatrician. Not all, there's just, there's a variety of opportunities and there's that such a need, such, such, such an ongoing continuous need for physicians of all specialties to I think, enter this work or at least have a good understanding of how they can and I'll. Cover it in the doctor in different academy and in our summer series starting in August.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 24:17

Love it. And what is coming in at number one?

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 24:21

Number one is a personal favorite of mine, and that is Veteran Disability Exams. And I know you didn't expect me to say that as a pediatrician. But it turns out, I mean, this what blew my mind. It turns out that the GI Bill, which many people know about the GI Bill signed in, I believe it was 1944 by FDR. It ensures that our veterans. Who are separating from the military, retiring from the military, get their education paid for. But another part of it ensures that these veterans if they were injured or sustained an illness while they were active duty, that they get compensation, they get disability and compensation when they separate or retire from the military for their, illness. Whether they had an injury that was preexisting and it got worse, or they sustained a new injury while in service. It turns out that they actually need and require, the federal government requires civilian physicians and practitioners to perform these exams. Mm-hmm. They cannot be performed by active duty physicians. So those physicians are, are busy treating actively sick, and I. Service members. So these disability and compensation exams are nonclinical, non-diagnostic, non-treatment. You're not ordering tests, you're not advising a, a veteran on what he or her, how, how, how they can treat their illness or their next testing or, or giving advice. You're not doing any of that. You are simply evaluating their claims. You are presented with their entire EMR from, from service, their records and you're asked to fill a questionnaire out and do a very focused physical exam that generally is a range of motion testing of various joints. And you return all of that information to the va. Physicians can earn up to$2,000 a day. Doing these exams in most cities in most states in the us. And the best part is because this is federal work. If you are flexible with your travel, which I teach, we all need to be likely more flexible, at least with how we think about our careers as physicians. But short-term travel is available and because it's federal work, we one act of state medical license. Can translate to any of the 50 states, including Guam and Puerto Rico. So you can take, you can do those exams and say, maybe go to another state for, three or five days, do a slew of exams and come home. I, a few years ago I went up to Washington for two weeks over the summer, did veteran disability exams. I don't have a Washington medical license. I only have a California medical license. But'cause it's federal work. I could do it anyway. I find it so fun. I love talking to veterans. I think it actually makes me a better pediatrician, but I want to remind you again, it is not, it is not clinical. It's not diagnostic, it's not treatment. And when I started, I hadn't touched an adult clinically in 10 years. That was when I had graduated from medical school 10 years earlier. And I'd seen only kids since. So look, look at the scope of practice that I didn't even know I had access to. I was able to do so. Number one, I think the one I get the most questions about is veteran disability exams, and any physician of any specialty can do them.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 29:52

I love this. So there you go. Dr. Naomi Lawrence reads billboard equivalent of the top five that she has for physician side gigs. And just as we do in DBC, we under promise over deliver. I really would love if you can, even though it's not one of the top fives. Sure. I would love if you can talk about. How you empower your fellow physicians out there to think about business and money, because as you're going through all these different, the top five, you still have to deal with business and you still have to deal with money. Absolutely. You do. And you absolutely talk about that.

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 30:24

I do, I do. Thank you. So, for all of those fun opportunities that maybe have crossed a physician's mind, I think the thing that. Causes us to halt is, ooh, but I need health insurance. Like, that sounds fun. Ooh,$600 an hour to be an expert witness or this, that, or to do veteran disability. But ah, I got, I have a family. They, everyone is on. Even my parents, my kids, my husband, my spouse, everyone is on my health insurance. So. I teach, in the, in another part of the doctoring differently summer series, week three, we get into the money and business of doctoring differently. And the first part of that lesson is how to find your own health insurance. I mean, how, if, if we can just take a step back, I really hate. That we really have no understanding about health insurance, and I'm speaking for myself. When I began this journey as well, had no idea really the components of health insurance policy, what I needed, what I was looking for, and how to find my own. We talk about it. We teach many options for getting health benefits for a physician for their family so that they. Are able to work in this independent way and potentially leave a full-time clinical employer. I talk about how to think and recalibrate your retirement strategy, or at least your, the thought of, well, I've got this retirement account. I really don't understand the details. People are throwing around numbers like 4 0 3 B and 401k, and I don't know I, let me study. Everything about my accounts and then maybe when I fully understand it, maybe then I can make a career change. And that also was not what I could do. I knew that I had to really just kind of figure it out as I go. And I did. And by the way, I'm now able to contribute so much more and diversify all my investments and retirements accounts'cause Im. I'm earning so much more in, in so many flexible, lucrative ways. So we talk about kind of how to think about potentially leaving a full-time job with its, potential retirement perks, but also how to grow and think of your retirement strategy on your own. We also talk about malpractice and we talk about. Covering your S-corp. Of course, malpractice is not covered in so many of our medical education. I, I once tweeted a few years ago, I had 10 weeks off at the end of medical school, so you just can't tell me that there's no time for a, a day, a couple of days to teach physicians about malpractice. Even physicians who may be stay full, fully employed at a, at a large institution for their entire careers. I think it's a, a very malicious and egregious omission from our, from our medical education. But we talk about it for some of the things I do, some of them, not all of them, some you do need to get your own malpractice policy. We talk about how to get it, and finally we talk about starting a physician S-Corp or LLC, which is just a amazing tax mitigation strategy. Let me. Also just back up saying, I do not have an MBA, I never got one. I don't plan to get one. You do not need an MBA. You don't need a fellowship, another fellowship. You don't need a pile of cash. All of the things that I think we think we need in order to make a big change in our lives and our careers, you know that, that more education is our currency, right? That's what we're taught. Oh, you don't like your job? Well then you probably should go do a peds cardiology fellowship. That just, that was, I knew that wasn't the right answer for me, but I certainly see how that kind of thinking can, can, can creep into so many physicians' minds. So, I, I want to tell you, we teach all of those things in the doctoring differently summer series and in the doctoring differently academy because you, you absolutely don't need to wait. You don't need an MBA you. All you need is the belief that you deserve a, a happy, healthy, and respected life as a physician.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 34:01

This is Maya, Dr. Naomi Lawrence Reid is my go-to person when it comes to position side gigs. I am so grateful for you coming onto the podcast and sharing your expertise, just the little scrape of the surface. So tell us now where people can find you, where they can sign up for the summer series and where they can go for the academy.

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 34:20

Sure. So everything, everything, everything is@doctoringdifferently.com. There's a banner at the top that, that says Sign up for summer series. Right now you can see our, our summer course syllabus, but in the website you'll see links for the full academy, which again is a digital recorded course that has over nine hours of content. Uh, Within the academy we have weekly q and as. Every month of the year with the whole community, with me. You bring your successes, you bring your rants, you bring your victories you bring your learning, and we talk about it every single month. So that's within the academy. But here we're, we're recording mid-July. I'm, I'm doing a series right now, a live series in July. It's going so well. These doctors are learning so much. As I've pulled this high yield content, the top five, oh, I love the term. I love that billboard. I'm feeling very like uh, thank you Diva. I should be floating in the sky on tour. Thank you so much. Anyway, I love that billboard reference, and that is, that billboard is what we're doing in August. So if anything that I've talked about or mentioned has sparked an interest or a thought, hopefully a daydream, hopefully it's lit a match for you that you're like, Ooh, I have thought about that. And I don't know, I don't know this full-time physician. I don't know if I can do this thing forever, this full-time clinical, please. This is your opportunity I have the time in August to do it in the summer. I don't know that I'll be able to do it the rest of the year, so I wanna teach this live to get your. Questions live, but we go sequentially. Each Tuesday night in August, we will go down the list of the top five, but also the money and business of doctoring differently and how to find, how to start, how to secure your future, how to protect your assets as you go. And oh, by the way, we teach res resignation too. How to write a resignation letter the way I had to Google it after my diaper chair. We should know how to write resignation letters. So I'll show you mine. It's not great, but we learn from it and we write better resignation letters and we learn how to resign without burning bridges because, that's ultimately what we wanna do. We can maintain good relationships with our community, but we also deserve to explore new opportunities if that's what we want to do.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 36:24

So empowering. Again, go to doctoring differently.com to sign up and connect with Dr. Lawrence Reed after this podcast.

Dr. Naomi Lawrence-Reid: 36:32

And I will add one more thing here. Everything that I've talked about, my billboard list of, of medical writing and expert witness and locums and per diem and, and veteran disability and, and medical writing, all of these things. They can be bridges into a thriving DPC practice. They can be the thing that kind of you start to do as you're building your cash flow, as you're getting used to working as an independent physician away from a full-time W2 employer. These are steps that you can slowly and intentionally take, so it doesn't necessarily feel like a huge leap from a full-time employed job. Into your own thriving DPC practice. This can be a bridge, this can be constant, consistent cash flow doing per diem, doing expert witness, doing a, a locums gig or something like that, or all of these things can be done on your way to a DPC practice while you're doing it. Quite frankly, I think every physician should be exploring some of these opportunities at some point in their career. By the way, you can pick them up and you can put them down. Nothing has to be happening. All the time. Go, go, go. I think as your interests change, as your personal needs change, as your needs with your family change, we can do new things and we can decide to put things, some things on hold and pick up something else. So just know that these are entirely flexible. They change with you. I think we're now in a. In a time in history where these jobs need to fit into our lives and not the other way around. So just know you can do these as you start your practice while you're in your practice. And let's be clear, these can all be done at the end, maybe near retirement. There's so many options for this remote, flexible, but intellectually fun and stimulating work for all doctors. Thank you so much for coming on today. You are so, so welcome. And I'll just say sign up for the mailing list, even if you're not ready to join the course or to join this. Summer series. If you go to the website, a popup will come and you can get a full list of my guide to a number of the careers that I teach about. But that'll help you sign up for the list and just stay informed about future offerings, courses, free webinars over at doctoring differently. So thank you for having me.

Dr. Maryal Concepcion: 38:47

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