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What to Know Down Below®
Breast Cancer and the Fertility Decisions That Can Follow
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As part of our Infertility Awareness Month series, this episode of What to Know Down Below® continues the conversation with Rachel Nicks, Founder of Birth Queen, breast cancer warrior, women's health advocate, and host of Runway for Research.
In this deeply personal conversation with Tina's Wish Board Member Meaghan Repko DeShong, Rachel reflects on her experiences with fertility preservation, pregnancy loss, breast cancer, motherhood, and the unexpected decisions that can follow a diagnosis.
Together, Rachel and Meaghan discuss the importance of understanding fertility options, finding a medical team that listens, advocating for yourself, and allowing space for the full range of emotions. Rachel also shares how support, education, and self-compassion helped her navigate one of the most challenging chapters of her life.
Filled with honesty, wisdom, and hope, this episode is a reminder that there is no single path to parenthood and that every person deserves the information and support needed to make the choices that are right for them.
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Meaghan Repko DeShong
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Knowledge, Power, And Why We’re Here
SPEAKER_00We're here to empower you with knowledge. You need your own technology. Knowledge is power. And we encourage everyone to join us in learning more about what you need to know.
SPEAKER_02Hi everyone and welcome back. My name is Megan Repco Deschong, and I'm excited to be here for another episode of What to Know down below. I am a current Tina's Wish board member, but I'm also a member of the ovarian cancer community. And I am deeply, deeply passionate about our mission here at Tina's Wish, which is finding early detection of ovarian cancer. But I'm also most excited today because, you know, in this last episode, you heard my story. But today we're speaking with Rachel about her own experience. And I think it's important to note that fertility journeys can be messy and complicated, but they can also be super unexpected. And I think that's really important to think about because you might think you have it all. And then something happens, and you've got to switch courses. Quite frankly, to help educate and teach women because she's just one of those human beings who I love so much, but she takes challenges for that happened to her, and how do I transition them to help others? And that's why this series is so important because she came up with this idea to do it, and she's so open and willing, and she made me open and willing to do it because it's such a safe space, and not all the time is it's safe, and um it can be petrifying. So I'm I I'm so honored to be here with Rachel Nix. Um, and Rachel, do you want to let folks know um how you got involved with Tina's Wish? And then we'll jump into your story.
Runway For Research And Real-Time Education
SPEAKER_01Great. Um, so Megan and I had the pleasure of meeting through her trainer. They wanted to start a new fundraiser for Tina's Wish called Runway for Research. Um, it's now five years old, and it's not my baby, but it's it like I'm one of the mamas. I've been the only host of of it. And host was I've got a lot of jobs, but host wasn't one of them, or um, but it after you asking me, like it opened this passion or skill set of mine that I didn't know that I had, but to be able to host, to educate, to empower, to fundraise, to literally educate people real time in the audience and save their lives. Like every year we've had women sitting in the audience, like, wait, I'm full quick, I have a little pain, I pee a lot, and I have ovarian cancer. And had they not been there, they wouldn't have known. So it is like I have goosebumps. Um it's just been an it's been an honor. And and little did I know that now as I share my story, that you know, the universe God put me on the path of knowing you. And so when I had the unexpected, I felt prepared. Um because I had this family, so I'm I'm eternally grateful.
SPEAKER_02That's amazing. Um, and I think that's also important to note, which is while we're talking about this is an ovarian cancer kind of, you know, that's sort of where this all stems from, but at the same time, it's not where it ends, right? Like women are faced with different kinds of cancers and all of this stuff, and it impacts fertility. And you don't think of that and you don't realize how hard it's gonna hit, and we're gonna get into that because Rachel has such an amazing viewpoint and also is just so open and vulnerable about this. And I so it's it's important that you all hear it. But let's start with your journey um and why you and I are both sitting here today, because I talked about my story, so your turn. Tag.
Wanting Motherhood And A Sudden Miscarriage
SPEAKER_01So I always wanted to be a mom. I joke with people, I'm like, I knew I wanted to be a mom. Like, I when water babies came out, I swaddled the heck out of that water baby. Like it was real. I was like obsessed. I came out of the womb like needing to give birth. It was the wildest thing. So that was clear. And like, I was one of those crazy people in my 20s. Like, when I met somebody, I was like, so great, you want to get married and have kids? Okay, if you don't, then I'm not interested. Do you want to get married and have kids? People are like, Are you asking that on the first date? I'm like, Yes. So then I, you know, got married and had Samuel, who's eight, and phenomenal, wonderful pregnancy birth, you know, it was three hours of pushing because he has a big hit. Um, but my pelvic floor is intact. If you need pelvic floor help, call me. Um, and then I got pregnant again when he was about two. And I remember being so ecstatic because I wasn't trying. Um, and I do remember trying to get pregnant with Samuel. Felt awful. You just feel like everyone on the subway is pregnant, everyone on Instagram is pregnant. Like it took us, you know, I don't know, five months or something, but it felt like an eternity. And then I I was in, you know, those chapters in life that you feel like everything's flowing. Like he was two, I was at Mir, and that was amazing. And I thought I had just booked a new lead as a on a TV series, and then I flew to LA and I went to the bathroom and I flushed my baby down the toilet. You know, like I was like, what just happened? And I miscarried that baby. Um, and it was the worst. I remember though, being like, at least I'm a mom, at least I I have Samuel. But like for it to be in like the mall toilet, it was just like the worst. And I remember like I was alone in LA and like calling people, like all these doctors, and like no one cared because it was still pretty early. And they were just like, we don't have appointments. And I'm like, I'm bleeding and I'm pregnant. Like, what do you mean you don't have an appointment? And they're like, Well, you can go sit in the ER. And I'm like, I'm not gonna sit in the ER and bleed out like what I was I remember that being so disheartening and horrifying. Like, why is this such like no one, like I no one cared? It was bizarre, and then I had to go to an appointment days later alone because um their dad was in New York, and you know, have that sonogram moment with no heartbeat, and like then what do you do? And I you talked about in the last episode because we're built similar. So I went back to my hotel and I tried to do the dark cry thing in the room, and I was like, this is just not me. So I got myself together and I had me a bottle of rose at a very cute restaurant, yeah, girl. But then I remember like going right back to work and like moving, and I remember then I was like losing my hair because your body goes through that whole thing, and I was like, I didn't do this right, like I should have given space to losing this baby and not pushed through so quickly. So I feel like I also want to give space to people who feel grateful. Oh, well, at least I'm already a mom, or it wasn't that bad, or you know, at least it was early in the pregnancy. I think we we don't give enough space to losing that baby and like what that does to your body and your emotions. Then December 2nd, um, 2025. Um
Dense Breasts, MRI Flags, And Pushing
SPEAKER_01I got a phone call that I had breast cancer. Um I think it's fair to back up year four of Tina's Wish 2025, June. Um, a couple weeks prior, I had my second mammogram. I'm now 42. And my luckily my I I tried a new OB. She was like, oh, you have dense breasts, let's do a 3D mammogram and an ultrasound. And I want to be clear to give education to people so they're they know like things to ask and choose. So I said, okay, let's do the 3D ultrasound and or 3D mammogram and ultrasound. They discovered a cyst in my less left breast that was benign, but fine. She ran through some more testing um and then called me while I was in the Uber to Tina's wish to tell me that I fell into a high-risk cancer uh breast cancer category. And I was like, what? Like, you just called me and said everything was fine, and then two weeks later, she's like, I am not confident you're gonna have an MRI in six months. So I was like, what? And the irony of like pulling up to hosting is and that phone call was like bonkers, so you know, and I love my mom, but I also want to share this because I think it's important. I called her a wreck, she's like, we don't have cancer in our family, like you're fine. And she's like, but don't say anything. And I remember going, that doesn't feel right. And I chose that night to share that I got that phone call while I was hosting because although I didn't have cancer and I wasn't a survivor, I'm like, it got a little closer, and that night changed me as a host, I think, and a person and um humanized the experience. So, anyways, the irony, I have my um MRI in November. Um, also detail that I find important when you talk about self-advocacy. The radiologist was like, Mr. I think we need to biopsy. There's something funky in the right breast. I don't like it. The surgeon was like, it's fine. I'm not biopsying unless you do another ultrasound. The radiologist said, I'll see her on Sunday. I went in Sunday before Thanksgiving. I had another ultrasound. It was one of those, like you were saying, those very quiet moments where they just keep rubbing the same spot and not talking to you while your arm's in the air. And you're like, care to share. I'm like, you can kind of see some stuff is lighting up, and I was like, I don't know, that's probably not a good thing. And Dr. Croft called me on a Sunday before Thanksgiving from his cell phone, and I was like, oh, I have cancer. He didn't know yet, but he's like, I want you to have a biopsy, you're gonna save my cell phone number, and if they don't make the appointment, I will walk over myself and make it. I was like in my bedroom in front of my mirror, and I just kind of looked at my mirror and I looked up at God and I was like, Okay, I have cancer. Like, we're gonna deal with it. I don't know enough yet, but let me just deal with this. So then I went in the room with my mom and my best friend. They're like, You ain't got nothing, you're fine. Again, important because had I not pushed, the surgeon then was like, I don't think it's anything, I just think this is a clogged duct, you're fine. We then scheduled a biopsy. See, I told you it drained, you're fine. And I was like, Yeah, tumors don't drain, I'm fine. I enjoyed my Thanksgiving, and the Wednesday after Thanksgiving, December 2nd, she's like, I am so sorry, you have breast cancer. And I was like, Like, what? Like it was it is it was stage one. I knew that was good, but all you hear after all you hear is cancer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I feel like you kind of anticipated it, right? Just being smart and whatever, and like kind of seeing reading the room a bit, right? But then when you get that call, you probably have so many questions, but you're just frozen.
SPEAKER_01I just knew I couldn't die, and I wouldn't die. Like that, I was like, okay, okay, I gotta do something, I gotta figure this out. Right. And then you're just like, can't cancer, like what in the context of this conversation that happened. My third phone call was Tina's wish. And I think one of the hardest parts of my journey is knowing that so many people can't make that call. Um, but I could, and I felt so supportive, and then I got this list, but that list was horrible. I was like, everything on it's like breast cancer, breast cancer, cancer, cancer. I was like, oh my god, I was like, I can't read this list. Like, I need somebody. I was like, mom, you gotta read the list. And she was a hot mess, like everybody was a mess. But having to like see it, hear it, call people and say it, like, but I had another girlfriend that was like, Nope, I have a diagnosis, I don't have cancer, it's in my knee, like it's exiting my body, like it's going to move through me, it's not a part of me. Like, so I had a lot of support in that way. Um, you know, I I ate all the right things and put down some wine for a little while. Uh, but I think then what hit me like the next ton of bricks was the fertility.
Breast Cancer Diagnosis And The Shock
SPEAKER_02Let me tell you this. So obviously you're dealing with a lot, right? There's a lot of information coming at you. There's a lot of how am I gonna get through this? Who's gonna be my support systems? You're finding people that are like maybe not your normal support system that all of a sudden are your support system.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, and you're like, wait, what? Why? Um, but I'll take you. Um, and then and then you know, you then start thinking, because you like me are now thinking 10 to 15 steps ahead. Like, yes, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna fight it, I'm gonna win. Da-da-da. But what is what does it look like after, right? And so is that where kind of our ties come in here for this podcast? Because I think it's really important because I'm not sure people, because as you said, you're 42. You have two beautiful boys, they're so gorgeous and just hilarious. Um, and such boys, boys. I just adore watching launching off things, I just love it. Um, but then you know, to your point, you're not with your ex-husband, like maybe there's a future relationship, like all these things have to be going through your mind. And so when you look at the, but is my family complete right now? Like, talk to us about that process because I can't imagine it was anything less than horrible, and I don't need to like lead the witness.
SPEAKER_01No, no, it's helpful because it's it's so many pieces, so it helps. The appointment that I would say wrecked me was meeting with my OBGRIN. I everyone would like wanted me to take my IUD out before surgery and treatment, and then she just started running through, like, okay, so you need to think about like um you're probably gonna have to go on tamoxifen, which means like then it's gonna increase the chances of uterine cancer, and then maybe you could just take out your ovaries, but then that increases your chances for cardiovascular disease. And like, do you want to have kids? Because if you do, you're already like 42, and then you're too kind of too old to freeze eggs, and then you have cancer in your body, so all I wanted to do was get the cancer out. That I was clear about, but then I'm like, do I want to my I ended up at MSK with Dr. Pletus, who should have billboards on every corner? Dr. Pletus, Dr. Pleitis, Dr. Pleetis, Dr. Pletus, Dr. Pleitis. But in the context of this fertility component, that other surgeon got pushed aside. Um, thank God. He was so he honored me as a woman. He continuously called me a young woman.
SPEAKER_02Nice.
SPEAKER_01The intake form at MSK was like, How do you feel about your breasts? How do you feel about your breasts now? How do you feel about your breasts around other people, other women? How do you like sex? How do you feel about your body during sex? How do you think you're gonna feel about your body after you know, surgery during sex? Like it was, and they like asked you and then they asked a different question, and then they asked you five more times. They like really want you to answer the question, honestly. And I remember Dr. Pletis looking at me and he's like, You're a beautiful young woman. Like, I think you should preserve your fertility. He didn't go, oh my god, you already have kids, you're divorced, you're old. Like, he didn't dismiss it. He's like, I I know you will get through this diagnosis, you're gonna, you're gonna like survive. But and it's not that you couldn't, it's just like your treatment plan is going to delay when you could choose to do it. So why don't we preserve what you have in case you make that choice?
SPEAKER_02I have a couple of like important questions because your story is like it's emotional for me. Like
Fertility Choices During Treatment Planning
SPEAKER_02the listener can't hear it, like I'm like wiping my eyes constantly. It's it might be more emotional than mine just because I was I'm used to living mine. Um but what have you learned about yourself through this? Because I think that's also important, like not about anybody else, not about the doctors, not about all that, but like, how did you what did you do to get yourself through this and to sit here with me today and still have your beautiful sense of humor, still be an amazing mom, still do all the things you do because I'm not sure everybody could be there. And I think like hearing from someone like you could be important.
SPEAKER_01You know, when I turned 40, my dad, you know, my dad kind of wanted me to live life how he wants me to live life. He's a Virgo, both of my parents. And I'm a fluid Pisces and my shit's all over the place, so somehow I figure it out in my own way. Um, but I remember he looked at me after spending time and hearing me on phone calls and stuff and working. He's like, you know what? You're a bad bitch. He said, You might not do things the way I want you to do them, but you're gonna get it done. And you're I want you to know that you're a bad bitch. I'm like, well, damn, it took you 40 years. And I mean I got down. Yes, I mean, I am a bad bitch. I think you have to, when you're faced with the things I've been faced with personally, if you don't choose to believe that you're it's less about strong. It's like, and I resilient gets annoying, strong gets annoying because sometimes like I want to be a woman and I want to be soft. Um, and I believe that I knew I made the decision immediately. Like, I'm not dying because I'm living for my children. I told myself, I don't care. I have big curly hair and all that. That like is a big part of who I am. I made peace with if I had to do chemo, I'm willing to lose my hair, I'll just make a wig. If I gotta chop my little baby titties off, we're gonna chop them off. Like, I didn't care about that stuff. I was just like, I will live. And all the aesthetic stuff, I was like, I don't care. I was blessed with a surgeon who did the most amazing work on earth, and he made a big point of that, which is also beautiful. He was like, Is it okay if I save your breast? Because I want to save your breasts. And when he took the stereo strips off, like he had he's not ego, he's still a surgeon, but like he was like, Oh, you're fabulous. Like he cannot tell. Like, it's in like, oh, this is a good story. My dad, after my surgery, I made I made a choice to just have a friend of mine in town and let my parents did the same. Yeah, I made that choice. That could be another podcast, and then come later to be supportive with the kids um for recovery and stuff. And I just remember my daddy, he's like, Hey baby, how you doing? I was like, I'm good. He's like, so uh, how you uh, how you uh? I said the two lease are intact. And I just you know what the funniest memory of telling men that I had breast cancer? They were like, they gonna take both of them. I was like, you guys, can you focus? My eyes are up here. Um
SPEAKER_02Your dad is such a girl dad because you know, like he probably as much as he was asking, it was also for you to know that you were okay. And that's like such an amazing thing, even though, like, yeah, we can laugh about it now, and like it's hilarious. But like he wanted really truthfully, he wanted to make sure you were okay. Like, are you good with your body? Like, are you good? Because that's I mean, it is a big part of us, right?
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, and you should love your body. What I just what I really believe is I'm always fine, I'm always positive, I'm always gonna find the solution, I'm always gonna fix it for you and everybody. And this was the first thing that I couldn't fix by myself. It it cracked me open, like this cancer journey. It was like, okay, Miss Strong, okay, Miss Resilient, like it is time to look in the mirror, it is time to cry on the floor of the bathroom. Shower. It is time to feel everything. Everything. I was like, girl, how many feelings do you have?
SPEAKER_02I was like, I was like, how many have been kept in a bag that you haven't?
SPEAKER_01Yes, I was not scared. Yeah, I was feeling every feeling that I have not felt for the last 40 years, every pain, disappointment, you know, like I just it allowed me to just feel, it allowed me to be tired, it allowed me to be sad, allowed me to realize I was lonely. Um and I really tried to let myself do all those things because for 42 years I didn't.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And feeling the feels is important.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Even if you don't want to feel them, huh? Even if you don't want to feel the feels, it's important to feel them.
SPEAKER_01A hundred percent.
SPEAKER_02And I feel that until you're in it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. But I think God was like, I think you need some cancer to finally just relax and like slow down a little bit. And I mean, it's a it was a gift though, because I am a different woman. Like I received my diagnosis and I felt like my frequency raised. And I'm really good with it. Like, I like this Rachel a lot. That's good. Yeah, and it it was and I liked her throughout. And then, you know, until maybe a month ago, I was really gray, girl. Like gray. She was gray. Y'all was like, ooh, you're like going through the motions. Yes. I just needed to every day.
SPEAKER_02I just hope to get through the day. Yeah. I don't think you're any different than most people. Like that seems about right, you know? Yeah. But I want to tie this back, and I don't mean to because I'm not trying to jump around here because we keep talking about it, I'm gonna like lose it and I'm gonna like ugly cry, and I don't want to do that.
Stigma, Education, And Who Gets Access
SPEAKER_02I guess in thinking about all of this, because this came about in such a different way for you, and like I said on the last podcast, is like fertility can it's such a sensitive topic, but it's something that affects so many people. What do you wish now that your your mind is around this and it's hit you hard? What do you wish people knew about fertility that you don't think they really know? And maybe you didn't know um prior to this.
SPEAKER_01And I want people to know what fertility is, right? Like my father's 75, and my cousin had a baby through IVF at 45, and like I'm a maternal health advocate, and I like I'm all up in it, but still, it's still like kind of a have a mystical, elusive space, or he felt inappropriate to ask, and even when I cried and called him about my fertility, he was uncomfortable. Yeah, you need to call your mama for that. And I was like, what? And I get it, but I think we need to get out of that. Like, people have vaginas and penises and ovaries and fallopian tubes, and that's where babies come from, and that's okay, and like we need to understand that, and I I'm if I had to boil down like what my purpose is or my passion, it's education. And I just think at the core, like you can't be empowered or happy or free without being educated, and so my desire is that we all have this information at our fingertips, not because we have a PPO, not because we've been trying and now we can't get pregnant, or because we had five miscarriages, or because we can't find a man, or whatever. Like, we should just all know what these uh pathways are because then it just like takes all this like weight and stigma away from it all. Um and I think what what I was faced with is how blessed I am to be educated, but what wrecked me was with all that education, how deeply painful it still was. I am educated and empowered, and it is an incredibly emotional experience. And like to know that people are not resourced and educated trying to traverse this kills me. Like it should not be allowed. You should not, you know, not have a surgery because you don't have insurance, like you should not not be able to preserve your fertility because you don't have a PPO, you know, like you it is just disgusting. Everyone should have access and care. Um, and and that is really after going through this. Um, it hit it it is. I I thought I was a fiery advocate, but this year's fundraiser gonna be a little bit more spicy. We need to raise all the monies and share all the education. By the way, I'm walking because of you.
SPEAKER_02I've denied it for many years, but uh we're gonna do it.
Living In The Valley And Letting Feelings In
SPEAKER_02I'm there for you, girl. And we talked about this on the other episode, which is you know, I people ask me all the time, and I know you're the same, which is like, why are you so positive? Like, why, like you don't even and I'm like, because there's two paths, right? You can be like really dark and eerie and be like, why me, why me, my why me? Yeah. And the other one is, hell yeah, it's me because I'm gonna help out all these other people that are on that path that it's why me, why me, why we, right? Like to me, I just think there's there's you've I don't know, I having choices is is pretty amazing, I think, in this world. And we're lucky enough to have those. And it might not be the choices we want to have to deal with.
SPEAKER_01Well, but also, Megan, we walk like on some biblical stuff, like we walk through the valley. Oh, yeah. We have we can't sit here and and field phone calls and give advice until we live that darkness until we live that unknown, till we walk down the hallway with no light at the end. Right. Cause we and and these last three years for me have been valley-like. I mean, I was like at the beginning of it, and then I had to sit in that I've been in a valley moment for a long time. Yeah. And there's also this weird thing of like making peace with that valley. Like, I didn't let it take me, but I was like, oh, I'm in a valley, like this is not a peak. And I and there's no quick solve to just like toss me back to the top of the mountain. Like, I'm actually doing my 40 years like Moses, you know what I mean? I'm like, God, please don't make it 40. I can I I was like three, three, two, one, one and a half, two and a half, two, two and three quarters. You know, so like now we're at three, and and now I like in your like world that I I mean I can see.
SPEAKER_02I didn't know what was going on. I saw you last year at the runway for research. I didn't know that you had gotten that phone call. Like, because we're so good at just like, okay, here's the role I have to play now, right? And so I think, but then there comes a point where it's like, all right, I've got to give in to this, and I've gotta like, it's gonna suck because it's not my normal place that I'm gonna be in. But if I can give in and get out on the other side, then you bet your ass I am going to do everything I possibly can for everybody else.
SPEAKER_01But I think until I think in closing, what's beautiful is like, because this is really it's nuanced. Like Megan and I do not sit in darkness, but we absolutely had to live in darkness.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we were walking through it.
SPEAKER_01I wasn't sinning, right? And so we we had our eyes focused on the light and the goal, or or hoping there was something. Because I really didn't have clarity at this time about like career and love and like all these, like they just were like, I don't know what's happening, I don't know where I'm going. I'm just gonna keep going. And sometimes there was some quota, it was like, just like you know, spirit illuminates your next step, just take the next step. Yeah, and then you're gonna keep accumulating steps which are taking you down a path, and it's okay if it's a gray day. Oh, yeah. Like I a friend of mine is a therapist, and she said, every color in the crayon box is equitable as our feelings. I love that. So one feeling is not better than the next, they are all just feelings, and I think society, especially with women, has made us feel like we need to always feel orange and yellow, but we're allowed to be enraged, we're allowed to be sad, we're like, and I think I you and I like you know, that day I looked at you, gave you permission to be blue. Yeah, yeah. You didn't, I was like, this is not a yellow moment. We we can get back to yellow. Let's have some blue, let's make some green. You know what I mean? Like doesn't wash the bottles. I know.
SPEAKER_02I was like, this ain't about the bottles. Just kidding, my husband not washes bottles. Um, but yeah, but yeah, no, okay. Well, this was amazing, and I'm so honestly truly thank you for opening up about all this because I don't, I know, I know it's not easy to talk about, and it yours is so fresh. Um, and so I actually think that's even more important because um it shows that we can get out of it and you can fight, and you know, the advocating and asking the questions and pushing, right? Because it's like, yeah, that answer is not acceptable to me. So, like, what else do you got for me? Like, give me a platter and then I'm gonna make the choices, right? So, like, all of that stuff I think is really important.
You’re Not Alone And What’s Next
SPEAKER_02But so I really I want to appreciate you know everybody for listening and for allowing Rachel to share her journey. Um, if this episode resonated with you, please you were no, you are not alone. You are not alone. And that's why we encourage you to talk to people and you know, you never know who you're gonna talk to. They might connect you with someone that's gonna help you during your own journey. Um, we hope this series helps create more openness, understanding, and support around fertility conversations, which we know are not easy. Um but be sure to tune in to our next episode in this series, which is gonna feature Dr. Tia Jackson Bay, and we're gonna talk about sort of different ways of preserving um our options and then different kinds of ways of reaching your parenting goals. Um, and again, this is you know, infertility awareness month. And by the way, I hate the word infertility because it's so negative, because there's so many people that have it, and I hate it, and I want to come up with a different word, but haven't gotten there yet. Um, but, anyways, we really appreciate everybody. And please, um, like I said in the last episode, we'll be tagged in this. We are not people, I hope you understand that, that are not shy. If you have questions, whatever, DM us, reach out to us. We will happily engage in a conversation because that's what this is all about. Um, and we want you, every single person, to feel empowered. Um, and I was lucky enough to have someone like Rachel in my life. Um, and Rachel was lucky enough to have so many people in her lives. And so I just, you know, I want to thank everybody for listening, but I also think you should tune in because there's gonna be some good stuff coming up over the next two weeks. Thank you, Rachel.
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