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Thanks"},{"speaker":"Callie Brauel","startTime":3161.49,"endTime":3163.62,"body":"for having us."},{"speaker":"Nathan Huening","startTime":3163.62,"endTime":3164.94,"body":"Such a pleasure."},{"speaker":"Nathan Huening","startTime":3163.62,"endTime":3164.94,"body":"Thanks for your time."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3165.93,"endTime":3169.071,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3165.93,"endTime":3169.071,"body":"to Nathan and Callie for being"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3169.137,"endTime":3172.671,"body":"guests on the show today. 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I'm"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3183.34,"endTime":3187.268,"body":"your host, Ethan Waldman, and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3187.333,"endTime":3190.933,"body":"I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3187.333,"endTime":3190.933,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3190.999,"endTime":3192.57,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}