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You can find"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2340.88,"endTime":2344.57,"body":"the show notes, including photos"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2340.88,"endTime":2344.57,"body":"of their various homes that"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2344.57,"endTime":2348.47,"body":"they've builtt and lots of links"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2344.57,"endTime":2348.47,"body":"to social media accounts and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2348.47,"endTime":2351.86,"body":"more, plus a complete transcript"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2348.47,"endTime":2351.86,"body":"from this episode at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2351.86,"endTime":2358.52,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/219. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2351.86,"endTime":2358.52,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/219."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2358.79,"endTime":2361.28,"body":"Well, that's all for this week."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2358.79,"endTime":2361.28,"body":"I'm your host, Ethan Waldman,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2361.31,"endTime":2363.89,"body":"and I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2361.31,"endTime":2363.89,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2363.89,"endTime":2365.57,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}