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As soon as you help"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2541.81,"endTime":2544.57,"body":"somebody else move and you"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2541.81,"endTime":2544.57,"body":"think, \"Oh my goodness, how can"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2544.57,"endTime":2548.5,"body":"they possibly keep this for 40"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2544.57,"endTime":2548.5,"body":"years?\" then you just want to go"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2548.5,"endTime":2549.67,"body":"home and throw everything away?"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2549.0,"endTime":2552.27,"body":"And throw"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2549.0,"endTime":2552.27,"body":"everything of yours away?"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2552.3,"endTime":2553.02,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2555.18,"endTime":2558.03,"body":"Well, where can"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2555.18,"endTime":2558.03,"body":"people find you and your book?"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2558.93,"endTime":2562.26,"body":"Okay, it's"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2558.93,"endTime":2562.26,"body":"right now it's in the advanced"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2562.26,"endTime":2566.49,"body":"readers copy stage, although you"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2562.26,"endTime":2566.49,"body":"can find the eBook on Amazon as"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2566.49,"endTime":2568.44,"body":"a Kindle book. And we have"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2568.44,"endTime":2568.74,"body":"okay,"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2568.83,"endTime":2570.66,"body":"if you go to my"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2568.83,"endTime":2570.66,"body":"website, which is"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2570.78,"endTime":2575.49,"body":"ClearTheSpace.com, you can learn"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2570.78,"endTime":2575.49,"body":"how you can either just purchase"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2575.52,"endTime":2578.79,"body":"a copy, it's it's pretty"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2575.52,"endTime":2578.79,"body":"complete, we might, we might"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2578.79,"endTime":2583.08,"body":"change a few things. But right"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2578.79,"endTime":2583.08,"body":"now it's you can buy either buy"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2583.08,"endTime":2586.74,"body":"a copy or if you are willing to"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2583.08,"endTime":2586.74,"body":"give a review or feedback, you"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2586.74,"endTime":2590.43,"body":"can get a copy for free, from"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2586.74,"endTime":2590.43,"body":"the website."},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2590.58,"endTime":2591.06,"body":"Nice."},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2591.21,"endTime":2593.04,"body":"That's ClearTheSpace.com."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2594.69,"endTime":2598.92,"body":"Awesome. Well,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2594.69,"endTime":2598.92,"body":"Connie Ellifson, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2598.92,"endTime":2601.14,"body":"much for being a guest on the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2598.92,"endTime":2601.14,"body":"show today. This was really"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2601.14,"endTime":2601.59,"body":"great."},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2602.61,"endTime":2604.71,"body":"Yeah, thank"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2602.61,"endTime":2604.71,"body":"you. Thank you, Ethan. That was,"},{"speaker":"Connie Ellefson","startTime":2604.77,"endTime":2605.55,"body":"it was awesome."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2606.78,"endTime":2609.36,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2606.78,"endTime":2609.36,"body":"to Connie Ellefson for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2609.36,"endTime":2612.72,"body":"guest on the show today. You can"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2609.36,"endTime":2612.72,"body":"find the show notes including a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2612.72,"endTime":2616.86,"body":"complete transcript and links to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2612.72,"endTime":2616.86,"body":"Connie's website and book over"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2616.86,"endTime":2623.37,"body":"at thetinyhouse.net/227. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2616.86,"endTime":2623.37,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/227."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2623.82,"endTime":2626.67,"body":"Also, don't forget to check out"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2623.82,"endTime":2626.67,"body":"the Tiny Tuesdays newsletter"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2626.67,"endTime":2629.31,"body":"over at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2626.67,"endTime":2629.31,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/newsletter."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2630.63,"endTime":2633.72,"body":"Again, that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2630.63,"endTime":2633.72,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/newsletter."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2634.08,"endTime":2636.93,"body":"Well, that's all for this week."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2634.08,"endTime":2636.93,"body":"I'm your host, Ethan Waldman."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2636.96,"endTime":2639.63,"body":"And I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2636.96,"endTime":2639.63,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2639.63,"endTime":2641.28,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}