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Thank"},{"speaker":"Alex McCullough","startTime":2741.38,"endTime":2742.55,"body":"you so much for having us."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2743.9,"endTime":2747.14,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2743.9,"endTime":2747.14,"body":"to Frankie and Alex, FnA for"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2747.14,"endTime":2750.23,"body":"being guests on the show today."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2747.14,"endTime":2750.23,"body":"You can find the show notes,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2750.23,"endTime":2753.68,"body":"including a complete transcript"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2750.23,"endTime":2753.68,"body":"of the episode, links to their"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2753.68,"endTime":2757.4,"body":"YouTube and podcast, and some"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2753.68,"endTime":2757.4,"body":"photos of both of their vans"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2757.64,"endTime":2761.87,"body":"over at thetinyhouse.net/248."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2757.64,"endTime":2761.87,"body":"Again, that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2761.9,"endTime":2764.66,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/248."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2764.72,"endTime":2769.103,"body":"If you liked the Tiny House"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2764.72,"endTime":2769.103,"body":"Lifestyle Podcast, I hope you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2769.18,"endTime":2774.024,"body":"will leave us a five star review"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2769.18,"endTime":2774.024,"body":"in Apple podcasts, Spotify, or"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2774.101,"endTime":2778.792,"body":"Stitcher - wherever you listen."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2774.101,"endTime":2778.792,"body":"And please, please follow the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2778.869,"endTime":2783.483,"body":"show. 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