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But that that"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3034.5,"endTime":3038.73,"body":"takes a different skill of"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3034.5,"endTime":3038.73,"body":"trying to translate words and"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3038.73,"endTime":3048.18,"body":"diagrams into actual reality."},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3038.73,"endTime":3048.18,"body":"Yeah, so that I can't think of"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3048.3,"endTime":3052.53,"body":"any better resources. There's"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3048.3,"endTime":3052.53,"body":"always discussions going on"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3053.01,"endTime":3056.85,"body":"around people writing books"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3053.01,"endTime":3056.85,"body":"about what would be the best"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3056.85,"endTime":3066.03,"body":"what social thing to do to"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3056.85,"endTime":3066.03,"body":"improve our sustainability that"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3066.03,"endTime":3067.2,"body":"I keep up with too."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3068.19,"endTime":3072.93,"body":"Nice. Well,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3068.19,"endTime":3072.93,"body":"Amanda Kovattana, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3072.93,"endTime":3076.41,"body":"much for being a guest on the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3072.93,"endTime":3076.41,"body":"show today. I loved learning"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3076.41,"endTime":3080.82,"body":"about all of your your systems"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3076.41,"endTime":3080.82,"body":"that you've developed, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3080.85,"endTime":3083.91,"body":"looking forward to continuing to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3080.85,"endTime":3083.91,"body":"follow your journey on your"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3083.91,"endTime":3084.36,"body":"blog."},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3085.2,"endTime":3086.79,"body":"Thanks very"},{"speaker":"Amanda Kovattana","startTime":3085.2,"endTime":3086.79,"body":"much for having me."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3088.35,"endTime":3091.2,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3088.35,"endTime":3091.2,"body":"to Amanda Kovattana for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3091.2,"endTime":3094.68,"body":"guest on the show today. You can"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3091.2,"endTime":3094.68,"body":"find the show notes, including a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3094.68,"endTime":3098.82,"body":"full transcript of this episode,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3094.68,"endTime":3098.82,"body":"and photos of Amanda's various"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3098.85,"endTime":3104.13,"body":"tiny house systems over at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3098.85,"endTime":3104.13,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/257. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3104.13,"endTime":3109.53,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/257."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3104.13,"endTime":3109.53,"body":"Thank you so much to PODX Go for"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3109.53,"endTime":3112.83,"body":"sponsoring the show today. Don't"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3109.53,"endTime":3112.83,"body":"forget to check them out at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3112.86,"endTime":3118.02,"body":"PODXGo.com. Well, that's all for"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3112.86,"endTime":3118.02,"body":"this week. I'm your host Ethan"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3118.02,"endTime":3121.26,"body":"Waldman and I'll be back next"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3118.02,"endTime":3121.26,"body":"week with another episode of the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3121.26,"endTime":3123.45,"body":"Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}