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It's a two"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2068.02,"endTime":2071.919,"body":"pronged two pronged approach."},{"speaker":"Dan Fitzpatrick","startTime":2071.919,"endTime":2075.857,"body":"What I, what we"},{"speaker":"Dan Fitzpatrick","startTime":2071.919,"endTime":2075.857,"body":"what we need is 100 More various"},{"speaker":"Dan Fitzpatrick","startTime":2075.939,"endTime":2081.271,"body":"trucks out there. 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I can't wait to share"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2102.94,"endTime":2105.91,"body":"this one and hope to have you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2102.94,"endTime":2105.91,"body":"back in a few months to talk"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2105.91,"endTime":2107.77,"body":"about whatever comes next"},{"speaker":"Dan Fitzpatrick","startTime":2107.8,"endTime":2108.79,"body":"I'd be happy"},{"speaker":"Dan Fitzpatrick","startTime":2107.8,"endTime":2108.79,"body":"to."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2110.74,"endTime":2114.199,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2110.74,"endTime":2114.199,"body":"to Dan Fitzpatrick for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2114.271,"endTime":2118.452,"body":"guest on the show. Once again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2114.271,"endTime":2118.452,"body":"you can find the show notes"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2118.524,"endTime":2122.777,"body":"including a complete transcript,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2118.524,"endTime":2122.777,"body":"links to the resources Dan"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2122.849,"endTime":2126.958,"body":"talked about and much more at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2122.849,"endTime":2126.958,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/285. Well,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2127.03,"endTime":2131.355,"body":"that's all for this week. 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