{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":3.76,"body":"And I feel like all of that really does align with just tiny house"},{"startTime":3.76,"endTime":7.2,"body":"living, right? It's, it's all that stuff. It's, it's going back to"},{"startTime":7.2,"endTime":11.015,"body":"basics. It's thinking about what's most important in my life and"},{"startTime":11.015,"endTime":14.855,"body":"what can I actually let go of that's not even really necessary, whether it's"},{"startTime":14.855,"endTime":18.51,"body":"material stuff well, whether it's even people in relationships in our lives that might"},{"startTime":18.51,"endTime":22.35,"body":"not even be serving us? Welcome to"},{"startTime":22.35,"endTime":25.965,"body":"the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast, the show where you learn how to plan,"},{"startTime":25.965,"endTime":29.805,"body":"build and live the tiny lifestyle. I'm your host, Ethan Waldman. 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And then"},{"startTime":2520.809,"endTime":2524.27,"body":"I think it's like coming back to that what I mentioned earlier about like tiny"},{"startTime":2524.809,"endTime":2528.41,"body":"life is a philosophy of I feel like I've really been able to"},{"startTime":2528.41,"endTime":2532.215,"body":"embody more of that now. And so it's I've got real lived"},{"startTime":2532.215,"endTime":2535.895,"body":"experience too that I can share from as well as still"},{"startTime":2535.895,"endTime":2539.415,"body":"ask those questions that I don't know about in those areas or those topics that"},{"startTime":2539.415,"endTime":2541.94,"body":"I'm not an expert in and that I know other people would want to know"},{"startTime":2541.94,"endTime":2545.32,"body":"about too. So, yeah, it's actually been really cool to be"},{"startTime":2546.02,"endTime":2549.755,"body":"on both sides. So before Tiny Life and during Tiny"},{"startTime":2549.755,"endTime":2553.515,"body":"Life, I suppose, or after Tiny Life. So yeah, exactly. It's actually"},{"startTime":2553.515,"endTime":2556.415,"body":"interesting that you made that connection. That's awesome. Nice."},{"startTime":2557.16,"endTime":2560.44,"body":"Well, one thing that I like to ask all my guests is, you know, what"},{"startTime":2560.44,"endTime":2563.96,"body":"are 2 or 3 resources? It could be books or"},{"startTime":2563.96,"endTime":2567.775,"body":"YouTube channels or anything that you'd like to share with with the"},{"startTime":2567.775,"endTime":2571.615,"body":"listeners that that helped you on your tiny house journey. Yeah,"},{"startTime":2571.615,"endTime":2575.119,"body":"I mean, your podcast for sure. And I'm not just not I'm not"},{"startTime":2575.119,"endTime":2578.663,"body":"just saying that because we're talking together now, but your"},{"startTime":2578.663,"endTime":2582.208,"body":"podcast is great. So I just do want to"},{"startTime":2582.208,"endTime":2585.855,"body":"say, like, definitely, definitely. I mean, I've mentioned it a few times"},{"startTime":2585.855,"endTime":2589.615,"body":"already, like living big in a tiny house, I think is making tiny"},{"startTime":2589.615,"endTime":2593.2,"body":"house. It's showing tiny houses in a really"},{"startTime":2593.26,"endTime":2596.8,"body":"beautiful way and making it accessible around the world"},{"startTime":2597.42,"endTime":2600.915,"body":"for people to inspire them, give them hope, give them"},{"startTime":2600.915,"endTime":2604.615,"body":"ideas and maybe hopefully show them, well, I can do it this way too."},{"startTime":2606.035,"endTime":2609.81,"body":"I would also say, I'm forgetting their names. Is"},{"startTime":2609.81,"endTime":2613.49,"body":"it Andrew and Gabriela? Like over in the"},{"startTime":2613.49,"endTime":2617.205,"body":"US, they wrote a book. It's a tiny house book"},{"startTime":2617.205,"endTime":2620.345,"body":"and I'm forgetting the name. Do you know the one I'm talking about? Yes."},{"startTime":2621.605,"endTime":2625.26,"body":"Is it Is it Tiny Houses for Dummies? It could be that"},{"startTime":2625.26,"endTime":2628.859,"body":"one. Is there is that? Have they done any other ones? I'm"},{"startTime":2628.859,"endTime":2632.515,"body":"not sure. They're I mean, they're wonderful. I've had I've had Andrew and"},{"startTime":2632.515,"endTime":2636.295,"body":"Gabriella on the show a couple of times, but they actually like they retired"},{"startTime":2636.64,"endTime":2639.94,"body":"from the tiny house world like they, you know, they ran"},{"startTime":2640.64,"endTime":2644.32,"body":"home. And they and Tiny House Plans was a company that"},{"startTime":2644.32,"endTime":2647.355,"body":"they created. And they've actually, you know, they've"},{"startTime":2647.974,"endTime":2651.815,"body":"kind of moved on from being like, in"},{"startTime":2651.815,"endTime":2654.9,"body":"the tiny house like, creator space."},{"startTime":2655.68,"endTime":2659.359,"body":"But they're awesome. They were very instrumental in creating the,"},{"startTime":2659.359,"endTime":2662.965,"body":"like, appendix Q, the whole movement to"},{"startTime":2662.985,"endTime":2666.505,"body":"create building codes for tiny homes in the States. Oh, wow."},{"startTime":2666.505,"endTime":2670.29,"body":"Okay. Well, well, it might be that book. But"},{"startTime":2670.29,"endTime":2673.25,"body":"I don't know if it's for dummies. I think it's there must be another one,"},{"startTime":2673.25,"endTime":2677.01,"body":"but it's definitely like it was So, between their"},{"startTime":2677.01,"endTime":2680.835,"body":"book and then your tiny house decisions, I"},{"startTime":2680.835,"endTime":2684.675,"body":"actually created like, I don't know, a 5 or 6 page A"},{"startTime":2684.675,"endTime":2688.49,"body":"4 document of both of those resources helped me to just"},{"startTime":2688.49,"endTime":2692.09,"body":"go into the design meeting of looking at all the different areas of the"},{"startTime":2692.09,"endTime":2695.904,"body":"home then making those decisions on"},{"startTime":2695.904,"endTime":2699.365,"body":"like what I wanted to have where and what was important and all of that."},{"startTime":2699.585,"endTime":2702.625,"body":"So, yeah, like whatever that book called and then maybe we can link to it"},{"startTime":2702.625,"endTime":2706.0,"body":"in your show notes or something. And Ethan, yeah, like your Tiny House decisions, those"},{"startTime":2706.0,"endTime":2709.68,"body":"2 books that helped a lot. Nice. Yeah. So I would say like"},{"startTime":2709.68,"endTime":2713.525,"body":"those would be the main ones. There's lots of resources now. Like there's lots of"},{"startTime":2713.525,"endTime":2717.365,"body":"great YouTube channels. There's lots of great websites as well. But those would be the"},{"startTime":2717.365,"endTime":2721.204,"body":"main ones I would say. Nice. Well, Lucy Lich, thank you so"},{"startTime":2721.204,"endTime":2724.04,"body":"much for being a guest on the show today. It was it was great to"},{"startTime":2724.04,"endTime":2727.8,"body":"finally have you as a guest here. Absolutely. Thank you so"},{"startTime":2727.8,"endTime":2731.575,"body":"much for inviting me, Ethan. It's been great to talk to you and it's actually"},{"startTime":2731.575,"endTime":2735.335,"body":"really nice to be on the other side of the mic. So I really"},{"startTime":2735.335,"endTime":2739.15,"body":"appreciate you turning the tables on me and asking me the"},{"startTime":2739.15,"endTime":2742.99,"body":"questions today. So thanks for having me. Thank you so much"},{"startTime":2742.99,"endTime":2746.555,"body":"to Lucy Lich for being a guest on the show today. You can find the"},{"startTime":2746.555,"endTime":2750.234,"body":"show notes, including a complete transcript, links to Tiny House"},{"startTime":2750.234,"endTime":2753.914,"body":"conversations and those specific episodes that Lucy and I talked"},{"startTime":2753.914,"endTime":2755.4,"body":"about over at thetinyhouse.net/297."},{"startTime":2758.26,"endTime":2759.48,"body":"Again, that's thetinyhouse.net/297."},{"startTime":2762.905,"endTime":2766.505,"body":"There you'll also find photos of Lucy's beautiful tiny home. So"},{"startTime":2766.505,"endTime":2769.485,"body":"go check out the show notes for this episode."},{"startTime":2770.16,"endTime":2774.0,"body":"Well, that's all for this week. I'm your host, Ethan Waldman, and I'll be back"},{"startTime":2774.0,"endTime":2777.78,"body":"next week with another episode of the Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}