{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1.36,"endTime":5.14,"body":"Alright. I am here with Kaylee. Kaylee is a biology"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":5.2,"endTime":9.035,"body":"teacher, passionate about the environment, who dreamed about tiny houses"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":9.035,"endTime":12.715,"body":"for over a decade. Amidst the pandemic, she dove into building"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":12.715,"endTime":16.494,"body":"science, envisioning a sustainable sanctuary custom to her unique"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":16.555,"endTime":20.38,"body":"lifestyle needs. Life redirected her after she started her build,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":20.38,"endTime":23.68,"body":"offering a promotion in a new town where housing was scarce."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":24.14,"endTime":27.795,"body":"Opting for land and a pre owned tiny house, she lived off grid illegally"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":27.855,"endTime":31.695,"body":"while she worked on her tiny house build. Financial strains led her"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":31.695,"endTime":35.315,"body":"to explore tenant arrangements until town regulators intervene."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":35.89,"endTime":39.59,"body":"This journey ignited Kaylee's advocacy for legalizing tiny homes,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":39.65,"endTime":43.25,"body":"championing affordable, sustainable living for all, free from"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":43.25,"endTime":46.325,"body":"restrictive zoning. Kaylee, welcome to the show."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":47.505,"endTime":51.265,"body":"Hi. Thank you for having me. Yeah. It's, it's great to have"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":51.265,"endTime":55.09,"body":"you. So, as a biology teacher, you know, how"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":55.09,"endTime":58.85,"body":"has your understanding of environmental science and and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":58.85,"endTime":62.585,"body":"sustainability influenced your approach to to tiny living?"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":64.244,"endTime":67.604,"body":"You know, it's been fascinating. You know, I've been teaching"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":67.604,"endTime":71.36,"body":"environmental science for a long time, and"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":71.36,"endTime":75.2,"body":"whenever I would teach about composting, the concept"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":75.2,"endTime":78.8,"body":"of the composting toilet would always come"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":78.8,"endTime":82.525,"body":"up. And the kids would always ask me, okay. But would"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":82.605,"endTime":84.065,"body":"do you poop in a bucket?"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":86.82,"endTime":90.58,"body":"And what grade do you teach? School. High school. Okay. They're they're not"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":90.58,"endTime":94.2,"body":"shy. Yeah. And, of course, I would say, well, no,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":94.865,"endTime":98.625,"body":"but I would. Yeah. So that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":98.625,"endTime":101.925,"body":"like, that kind of I always kinda wanted to reconcile"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":102.545,"endTime":106.22,"body":"that part of, like, how I educate and versus,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":106.22,"endTime":107.76,"body":"like, how I live my life."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":109.58,"endTime":113.195,"body":"And living tiny certainly gave me that opportunity"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":113.655,"endTime":117.115,"body":"to finally be able to say, well, yes. As a matter of fact,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":117.335,"endTime":120.475,"body":"I do. Nice. Nice."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":122.4,"endTime":125.92,"body":"So I I know your bio kind of gives us the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":125.92,"endTime":129.574,"body":"outline of your story, but I wanna I wanna fill in I wanna"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":129.574,"endTime":133.334,"body":"really fill it in for listeners because I think, you know, a lot of people"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":133.334,"endTime":137.129,"body":"out there can identify with moving to a new place, having"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":137.129,"endTime":140.59,"body":"trouble finding housing and dreaming of a tiny house. 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It's not even delivered yet."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":212.584,"endTime":216.025,"body":"So now my whole plan of, like, where I'm gonna build it is sort of"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":216.025,"endTime":219.78,"body":"kerfuffled, where I'm gonna keep it. And I"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":219.78,"endTime":223.54,"body":"was moving to a new place, so I'm like, I don't have any connections out there."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":223.54,"endTime":227.115,"body":"How am I gonna be like, hey, can I live in your backyard? Like"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":227.355,"endTime":231.195,"body":"Yeah. It was just very and it was"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":231.195,"endTime":234.095,"body":"a it was a very unsettled time,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":235.269,"endTime":238.81,"body":"but I just decided I would explore all the possible options."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":239.189,"endTime":242.95,"body":"At the time, my finances were pretty good. 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I was very proud of that."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":331.615,"endTime":335.455,"body":"But it was September and school was starting, and I had the floor"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":335.455,"endTime":338.93,"body":"done. And so what I ended up doing"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":339.31,"endTime":343.07,"body":"was I just tent camped on the"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":343.07,"endTime":346.814,"body":"lot that I just bought Okay. For a month"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":346.814,"endTime":350.495,"body":"or 2. And I was commuting back to where my"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":350.495,"endTime":354.115,"body":"build was, trying to work on it on the weekends. Uh-huh."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":356.3,"endTime":359.979,"body":"That summer rained so much. Looking back, it's just hilarious. 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It was getting"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":390.07,"endTime":393.61,"body":"cold in the tent. And actually, at the time, I didn't have a car either."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":394.07,"endTime":397.91,"body":"I had lived for 3 years with"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":397.91,"endTime":401.055,"body":"no car, and I just had a motorcycle and a bicycle."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":401.515,"endTime":405.275,"body":"Mhmm. So I'm doing this whole back and forth thing in"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":405.275,"endTime":409.1,"body":"the commute and, just on my motorcycle. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":409.1,"endTime":412.7,"body":"I slept in that tent during 2 hurricanes and"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":412.7,"endTime":416.485,"body":"probably rode the motorcycle to work. Oh my god. Stays too. Oh"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":416.485,"endTime":420.164,"body":"my god. 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And he faced all this discrimination,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":498.67,"endTime":502.315,"body":"and he really wanted to be an astronaut, But he couldn't"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":502.315,"endTime":504.415,"body":"just because he wasn't genetically engineered."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":506.395,"endTime":510.18,"body":"And he sort of broke the mold, and he ran away"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":510.18,"endTime":513.72,"body":"from home, and he stole somebody's genetic"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":514.02,"endTime":517.64,"body":"I don't he didn't steal it. He bought it. 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And he basically said,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":545.95,"endTime":549.55,"body":"I stopped turning. His words are way"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":549.55,"endTime":552.53,"body":"better. The movie is very good. Okay. And he said,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":553.285,"endTime":556.505,"body":"I he said that he realized"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":556.805,"endTime":560.52,"body":"that he was swimming. And"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":560.52,"endTime":564.12,"body":"he said I he just stopped turning around and"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":564.12,"endTime":567.88,"body":"going back. And the only way at one point,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":567.88,"endTime":571.365,"body":"the only way was forward. 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So where we left off, you worked all summer."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":632.47,"endTime":636.31,"body":"You got the floor done, which don't feel bad about that. That's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":636.31,"endTime":640.154,"body":"all I got done the 1st summer of my tiny house build I thought I was gonna do in"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":640.154,"endTime":643.834,"body":"1 summer too. Okay. So Yeah. Yeah. Your floor"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":643.834,"endTime":646.735,"body":"done. Winter you're living in a tent. Winter is coming."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":647.66,"endTime":651.18,"body":"Yeah. It's got some Game of Thrones vibes. Winter is coming. It does. It"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":651.18,"endTime":654.4,"body":"does. Okay. So okay. Now let's pick let's pick the story back up."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":654.865,"endTime":658.625,"body":"So I bought a pre owned tiny house at that point. Okay. 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You were building your tiny house and they were building a van?"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":783.67,"endTime":787.43,"body":"Yep. And Wow. I'm living in my tiny house and they're living in the other"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":787.43,"endTime":790.089,"body":"tiny house. And"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":791.295,"endTime":795.055,"body":"it was all great. And I was very happy in that situation, but then we"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":795.055,"endTime":796.755,"body":"did get a letter from the town,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":799.649,"endTime":803.49,"body":"basically requesting a building permit. So it"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":803.49,"endTime":806.149,"body":"was their first stop"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":807.495,"endTime":811.255,"body":"or first attempt. To sort"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":811.255,"endTime":814.775,"body":"of intervene Okay."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":814.935,"endTime":818.47,"body":"So to say. 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Just because I didn't want"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":919.73,"endTime":922.709,"body":"anything, you know, flying off or, you know Mhmm."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":923.329,"endTime":927.154,"body":"Whatever. So I put it that 30"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":927.154,"endTime":930.675,"body":"days came, and I"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":930.675,"endTime":934.17,"body":"wasn't ready. And I was like, well, let me just push my"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":934.17,"endTime":938.01,"body":"boundaries here. Yeah. And I just"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":938.01,"endTime":941.77,"body":"kept working on it. I'm trying to get it done. Trying to get it"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":941.77,"endTime":945.125,"body":"done. Trying to get it done. And I never got anything"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":945.125,"endTime":948.584,"body":"else from the town official."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":950.084,"endTime":953.57,"body":"Okay. 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So I I never sent him"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":979.649,"endTime":983.445,"body":"anything. Like, you're gonna have to, like, really"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":983.445,"endTime":987.045,"body":"come for me for that. Or, like, you're gonna have to why won't you"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":987.045,"endTime":990.79,"body":"document that? Right. And so I always kind of thought that was a little bit"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":990.79,"endTime":994.23,"body":"weird because I felt like if you're an official, you want official"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":994.23,"endTime":998.075,"body":"documentation, you would do that yourself and send"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":998.075,"endTime":1001.375,"body":"it to me. Like, you know, as of our conversation,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1001.755,"endTime":1005.115,"body":"you agreed to sell everything. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1005.115,"endTime":1007.839,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. That's weird. Right?"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1008.54,"endTime":1012.38,"body":"So I I just never I never sent him"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1012.38,"endTime":1015.955,"body":"the letter, and I just totally ignored it. I never"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1015.955,"endTime":1018.295,"body":"heard back from him about anything."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1019.715,"endTime":1023.53,"body":"And I at that point, you know, my 30 days are up, and"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1023.53,"endTime":1027.21,"body":"I'm looking"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1027.21,"endTime":1030.724,"body":"to see what's going on with"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1030.724,"endTime":1034.505,"body":"this situation in reality. So I pulled the zoning ordinances,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1035.579,"endTime":1039.2,"body":"and I I read them again. I read them when I bought the land, and nothing"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":1039.5,"endTime":1042.64,"body":"popped at me. Yeah. 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But, you know, I really have"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2350.46,"endTime":2353.2,"body":"learned that there really is no beginning and no end"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2354.46,"endTime":2357.92,"body":"to the journey that we call life. You know, it all just sort of"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2359.175,"endTime":2362.935,"body":"is just lesson after lesson after lesson. And you've learned what you're"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2362.935,"endTime":2366.775,"body":"ready to learn and you take with you what you Ethan. And you"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2366.775,"endTime":2369.96,"body":"just every day is a new day"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2370.74,"endTime":2372.76,"body":"and a new opportunity to do something,"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2374.74,"endTime":2377.64,"body":"even if it's just putting up one board."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2378.725,"endTime":2382.245,"body":"Yeah. You know, sometimes sometimes I was all you know, I was like, I"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2382.245,"endTime":2385.9,"body":"can only I have 20 minutes, but I have to do"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2385.9,"endTime":2389.66,"body":"something, and that's just, put up the board. That's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2389.66,"endTime":2393.5,"body":"awesome. So Good for you. I mean, I can't I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2393.5,"endTime":2397.295,"body":"really wanna follow your progress and just see as things take shape"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2397.295,"endTime":2401.135,"body":"and, and you shared so many great pictures of the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2401.135,"endTime":2404.55,"body":"progress of the house. So I'll, you know, I'll go through"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2404.55,"endTime":2407.93,"body":"those and, you know, people listening,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2408.63,"endTime":2412.244,"body":"this is going to be episode 299."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2412.385,"endTime":2415.984,"body":"So thetinyhouse.net/299. We'll"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2415.984,"endTime":2419.605,"body":"get you to the show notes page for this episode where you'll find"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2419.94,"endTime":2423.7,"body":"all the pictures of both tiny houses and a transcript"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2423.7,"endTime":2427.24,"body":"and and links and all those things. Yep."},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2427.645,"endTime":2431.485,"body":"Yes. And the little one is still for sale. Okay. So the little one is for sale."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2431.485,"endTime":2435.325,"body":"Where could, is there, like, a website or somewhere where people can find out more"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2435.325,"endTime":2439.109,"body":"about it? It is posted on tiny house listings."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2439.25,"endTime":2442.93,"body":"Okay. Okay. Well, I will link to that"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2442.93,"endTime":2446.565,"body":"as well. So if anybody is looking for a tiny house,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2446.785,"endTime":2450.464,"body":"there sounds like there's one for sale. Kaylee, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2450.464,"endTime":2454.21,"body":"much for being a guest on the show. I I really enjoyed meeting you, and and I I wish you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2454.21,"endTime":2457.81,"body":"the best. Oh, thank you for having me. I"},{"speaker":"Kaylee","startTime":2457.81,"endTime":2461.085,"body":"appreciate it, and it's been a pleasure."}]}