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And, but it does give you"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2316.5,"endTime":2322.59,"body":"a storage loft. That like we"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2322.59,"endTime":2325.59,"body":"said, If you store a mattress"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2322.59,"endTime":2325.59,"body":"and a body up there later,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2325.59,"endTime":2329.94,"body":"that's completely up to you. No"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2325.59,"endTime":2329.94,"body":"one's gonna come chase you and"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2329.94,"endTime":2333.84,"body":"throw you in prison for doing"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2329.94,"endTime":2333.84,"body":"something like that. But we do"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2333.84,"endTime":2338.37,"body":"have designs for that same size"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2333.84,"endTime":2338.37,"body":"in multiple different"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2338.4,"endTime":2340.23,"body":"arrangements that do have lofts"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2338.4,"endTime":2340.23,"body":"in them. Yes."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2340.69,"endTime":2343.63,"body":"Nice. And then my"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2340.69,"endTime":2343.63,"body":"second bonus question is, is"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2343.63,"endTime":2348.28,"body":"related to the helical piles,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2343.63,"endTime":2348.28,"body":"which is, you know, many tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2348.28,"endTime":2351.49,"body":"house owner owners don't own the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2348.28,"endTime":2351.49,"body":"land. 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And"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2409.87,"endTime":2413.65,"body":"when people get your name Daniel"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2409.87,"endTime":2413.65,"body":"Ott thank you so much for being"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2413.65,"endTime":2416.17,"body":"a guest on the Tiny House"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2413.65,"endTime":2416.17,"body":"Lifestyle Podcast. It was it was"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2416.17,"endTime":2416.89,"body":"great to have you on."},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2417.58,"endTime":2419.44,"body":"Yeah, thanks for"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2417.58,"endTime":2419.44,"body":"having me, Ethan. It was, it was"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2419.44,"endTime":2421.21,"body":"great. I love to talk about this"},{"speaker":"Daniel Ott","startTime":2419.44,"endTime":2421.21,"body":"stuff."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2423.1,"endTime":2425.86,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2423.1,"endTime":2425.86,"body":"to Daniel Ott for being a guest"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2425.86,"endTime":2428.65,"body":"on the show today. You can find"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2425.86,"endTime":2428.65,"body":"the show notes from today's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2428.65,"endTime":2431.8,"body":"episode, including links to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2428.65,"endTime":2431.8,"body":"TrueNorthTiny Homes, a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2431.8,"endTime":2435.07,"body":"transcript of the episode"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2431.8,"endTime":2435.07,"body":"(that's a new feature), and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2435.07,"endTime":2440.8,"body":"photos of some of their amazing"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2435.07,"endTime":2440.8,"body":"homes at thetinyhouse.net/145."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2441.19,"endTime":2445.57,"body":"Again, that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2441.19,"endTime":2445.57,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/145. 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