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And don't, I don't"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3080.9,"endTime":3083.39,"body":"prepare a meal, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3080.9,"endTime":3083.39,"body":"thinking about the work that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3083.39,"endTime":3086.66,"body":"been done. I really have to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3083.39,"endTime":3086.66,"body":"transition my space from one"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3086.66,"endTime":3090.71,"body":"thing to the next. And it does"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3086.66,"endTime":3090.71,"body":"mean I spend more time tidying"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3090.74,"endTime":3095.27,"body":"probably than the average person"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3090.74,"endTime":3095.27,"body":"is doing right now. There's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3095.27,"endTime":3097.82,"body":"something about kind of putting"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3095.27,"endTime":3097.82,"body":"my house in order that puts my"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3097.82,"endTime":3100.79,"body":"head in order helps me to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3097.82,"endTime":3100.79,"body":"transition from one thing to the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3100.79,"endTime":3105.56,"body":"next helps me have the sense"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3100.79,"endTime":3105.56,"body":"that I'm moving through the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3105.56,"endTime":3107.9,"body":"course of a day, moving through"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3105.56,"endTime":3107.9,"body":"the course of a week, moving"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3107.9,"endTime":3112.25,"body":"through the course of the month"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3107.9,"endTime":3112.25,"body":"with a cyclicality - with the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3112.7,"endTime":3117.74,"body":"sense of, of cycles and season"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3112.7,"endTime":3117.74,"body":"then, and all of that, that I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3117.74,"endTime":3122.54,"body":"think sometimes gets lost. When"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3117.74,"endTime":3122.54,"body":"we go from, you know, from one"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3122.54,"endTime":3126.98,"body":"space to another. Instead of"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3122.54,"endTime":3126.98,"body":"kind of marking a moment where"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3126.98,"endTime":3128.87,"body":"we finish something"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3130.73,"endTime":3134.18,"body":"Nice. Well, I think that's a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3130.73,"endTime":3134.18,"body":"good place to leave it."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3134.27,"endTime":3137.39,"body":"Lina Menard thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3134.27,"endTime":3137.39,"body":"for being a guest on the show I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3137.39,"endTime":3139.19,"body":"can't wait to share this with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3137.39,"endTime":3139.19,"body":"the listeners."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3140.21,"endTime":3141.59,"body":"Thanks Ethan. Talk to you soon."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3146.12,"endTime":3149.03,"body":"Awesome. Just finished the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3146.12,"endTime":3149.03,"body":"record."}]}