{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.06,"endTime":2.26,"body":"I honestly didn't feel like it was"},{"startTime":2.26,"endTime":4.8,"body":"absolutely necessary to create a solar"},{"startTime":4.8,"endTime":7.86,"body":"farm. So to give you an idea of our"},{"startTime":7.86,"endTime":10.8,"body":"actual utilities for the entire year of"},{"startTime":10.8,"endTime":13.58,"body":"living in our tiny house, it only cost us"},{"startTime":13.58,"endTime":14.28,"body":"about $300."},{"startTime":16.76,"endTime":18.58,"body":"Welcome to the Tiny House Lifestyle"},{"startTime":18.68,"endTime":20.86,"body":"Podcast, the show where you learn how to"},{"startTime":20.86,"endTime":23.24,"body":"plan, build, and live the tiny lifestyle."},{"startTime":23.78,"endTime":26.08,"body":"I'm your host, Ethan Waldman, and this is"},{"startTime":26.08,"endTime":30.06,"body":"episode 98 with Melissa Tack. 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And then"},{"startTime":2345.24,"endTime":2348.26,"body":"all of a sudden you're over or even where"},{"startTime":2348.26,"endTime":2351.14,"body":"I was parked was so unlevel that it was"},{"startTime":2351.14,"endTime":2353.6,"body":"really hard to even calculate how high my"},{"startTime":2353.6,"endTime":2356.26,"body":"roof really was when it was done being"},{"startTime":2356.26,"endTime":2358.72,"body":"built because of course, weight added on"},{"startTime":2358.84,"endTime":2361.16,"body":"and so it started shrinking. So I"},{"startTime":2361.16,"endTime":2365.08,"body":"purposely designed it to be shorter than"},{"startTime":2365.08,"endTime":2367.0,"body":"what was necessary."},{"startTime":2368.24,"endTime":2372.44,"body":"Nice. I wanna follow up about your"},{"startTime":2372.44,"endTime":2375.58,"body":"backyard tiny house parking. Would you"},{"startTime":2375.58,"endTime":2379.4,"body":"consider what you've created there to be"},{"startTime":2379.4,"endTime":2382.0,"body":"like a mini tiny house community? Or are"},{"startTime":2382.0,"endTime":2384.42,"body":"you more looking to just kind of provide"},{"startTime":2384.72,"endTime":2387.12,"body":"a spot for tinies on a temporary basis?"},{"startTime":2388.74,"endTime":2391.66,"body":"I definitely had the intention of doing"},{"startTime":2391.66,"endTime":2394.22,"body":"more of a community, not so much of a"},{"startTime":2394.22,"endTime":2398.36,"body":"stop and go. I wanted whoever was going"},{"startTime":2398.36,"endTime":2400.94,"body":"to be here to feel like they were home"},{"startTime":2401.34,"endTime":2403.9,"body":"and felt like they could stay here. Not"},{"startTime":2403.9,"endTime":2406.26,"body":"to say that I haven't had in the past"},{"startTime":2406.26,"endTime":2408.84,"body":"people coming and going. Just perfectly"},{"startTime":2408.9,"endTime":2411.2,"body":"fine because if it's something that is"},{"startTime":2411.2,"endTime":2413.58,"body":"just a temporary spot for them, then I"},{"startTime":2413.58,"endTime":2416.7,"body":"can still offer up. But Ultimately, I had"},{"startTime":2416.7,"endTime":2419.34,"body":"hoped to create a small tiny house"},{"startTime":2419.34,"endTime":2420.76,"body":"community among friends."},{"startTime":2421.94,"endTime":2425.1,"body":"Got it. Well, 1 thing that I like to ask"},{"startTime":2425.1,"endTime":2428.1,"body":"all my guests is what are 2 or 3"},{"startTime":2428.1,"endTime":2431.48,"body":"resources that you would recommend to our"},{"startTime":2431.48,"endTime":2433.4,"body":"listeners? You know, things that maybe"},{"startTime":2433.4,"endTime":2436.82,"body":"helped you out or since there wasn't a"},{"startTime":2436.82,"endTime":2438.56,"body":"lot around when you were building, you"},{"startTime":2438.56,"endTime":2441.98,"body":"could also, when people ask you for"},{"startTime":2441.98,"endTime":2444.48,"body":"advice today, where do you send them?"},{"startTime":2445.64,"endTime":2448.26,"body":"Definitely, Resources are very, very"},{"startTime":2448.26,"endTime":2450.46,"body":"important these days, even with as much"},{"startTime":2450.46,"endTime":2455.36,"body":"as there is available. So 1 of the main"},{"startTime":2455.36,"endTime":2458.42,"body":"resources that I had used when I first"},{"startTime":2458.42,"endTime":2461.0,"body":"started was Obviously the internet, but"},{"startTime":2461.0,"endTime":2462.92,"body":"there wasn't a whole lot regarding tiny"},{"startTime":2462.92,"endTime":2469.44,"body":"houses, but now there is and tiny house"},{"startTime":2469.44,"endTime":2472.78,"body":"magazine is probably a really good asset"},{"startTime":2472.78,"endTime":2475.7,"body":"for getting your general information as"},{"startTime":2475.7,"endTime":2479.24,"body":"well as inspirational stories. And"},{"startTime":2479.24,"endTime":2483.02,"body":"workshops, workshops. When we were, I"},{"startTime":2483.02,"endTime":2485.96,"body":"think, just finishing up our build, we"},{"startTime":2485.96,"endTime":2488.22,"body":"got invited to talk at different"},{"startTime":2488.22,"endTime":2491.16,"body":"workshops. There's 1 that Dee Williams"},{"startTime":2491.3,"endTime":2496.02,"body":"run down here called Pat. And we would"},{"startTime":2496.02,"endTime":2498.94,"body":"come down every 6 months and speak about"},{"startTime":2498.94,"endTime":2502.04,"body":"our experiences. And those workshops are"},{"startTime":2502.04,"endTime":2504.98,"body":"awesome tools to collaborate as well, get"},{"startTime":2504.98,"endTime":2506.24,"body":"everyone else who's interested in"},{"startTime":2506.24,"endTime":2508.68,"body":"building Tiny talking to each other. And"},{"startTime":2508.68,"endTime":2511.46,"body":"then the circle kind of just grows. And"},{"startTime":2511.46,"endTime":2513.82,"body":"then even staying local and doing meetup"},{"startTime":2513.82,"endTime":2519.1,"body":"groups. I run a meetup group in the"},{"startTime":2519.1,"endTime":2524.28,"body":"greater Seattle area and we do different"},{"startTime":2524.28,"endTime":2528.56,"body":"tours. I try to give open house tours for"},{"startTime":2528.56,"endTime":2529.78,"body":"people to come in and check out our space"},{"startTime":2529.78,"endTime":2533.7,"body":"as well as anyone else who is in here. So"},{"startTime":2533.7,"endTime":2535.8,"body":"like right now, we currently only have 1"},{"startTime":2535.8,"endTime":2538.58,"body":"other tiny house or cat. She lives in her"},{"startTime":2538.58,"endTime":2540.96,"body":"tiny house. But at 1 point we also had"},{"startTime":2541.66,"endTime":2543.94,"body":"Sean Burke living on the property and he"},{"startTime":2543.94,"endTime":2545.6,"body":"was in the process of building his"},{"startTime":2545.6,"endTime":2548.34,"body":"shipping container tiny house. And so"},{"startTime":2548.52,"endTime":2551.36,"body":"there are 3 different tiny houses here,"},{"startTime":2551.6,"endTime":2554.08,"body":"completely opposite of each other, but"},{"startTime":2554.08,"endTime":2558.02,"body":"they all serve and they all provide"},{"startTime":2558.2,"endTime":2562.24,"body":"different views on what you could do and"},{"startTime":2562.24,"endTime":2564.48,"body":"so it was really great to be able to open"},{"startTime":2564.48,"endTime":2566.8,"body":"up to people locally as well."},{"startTime":2568.04,"endTime":2570.74,"body":"Well that's great advice. Melissa Tack"},{"startTime":2570.74,"endTime":2572.38,"body":"thank you so much for being a guest on"},{"startTime":2572.38,"endTime":2573.94,"body":"the show today. It was great to connect"},{"startTime":2573.94,"endTime":2574.56,"body":"with you."},{"startTime":2575.16,"endTime":2576.14,"body":"Thank you so much, Ethan."},{"startTime":2577.42,"endTime":2579.62,"body":"Thank you so much to Melissa Tack for"},{"startTime":2579.62,"endTime":2582.08,"body":"being a guest on the show. You can find"},{"startTime":2582.08,"endTime":2584.84,"body":"show notes, including links to Melissa's"},{"startTime":2584.92,"endTime":2588.38,"body":"website, plans that she has designed, and"},{"startTime":2588.4,"endTime":2590.56,"body":"lots of photos of her beautiful tiny"},{"startTime":2590.56,"endTime":2595.38,"body":"house at thetinyhouse.net/098   .  Again,"},{"startTime":2595.38,"endTime":2599.62,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/098  .  Don't"},{"startTime":2599.62,"endTime":2601.6,"body":"forget to leave a review of the Tiny"},{"startTime":2601.6,"endTime":2603.98,"body":"House Lifestyle podcast in Apple"},{"startTime":2603.98,"endTime":2606.14,"body":"Podcasts, Stitcher, or wherever you"},{"startTime":2606.14,"endTime":2608.48,"body":"listen. You can find all the links at"},{"startTime":2608.48,"endTime":2612.82,"body":"ratethispodcast.com/   thlp. Well, that's"},{"startTime":2612.82,"endTime":2614.72,"body":"all for this week. I'm your host, Ethan"},{"startTime":2614.72,"endTime":2616.66,"body":"Waldman, and I'll be back next week with"},{"startTime":2616.66,"endTime":2618.58,"body":"another episode of the Tiny House"},{"startTime":2618.58,"endTime":2619.72,"body":"Lifestyle Podcast."}]}