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You know, these type of"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3178.26,"endTime":3182.52,"body":"things even if you fail, and it"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3178.26,"endTime":3182.52,"body":"costs you a couple 100 bucks, or"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3182.52,"endTime":3185.1,"body":"you have to move more quickly"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3182.52,"endTime":3185.1,"body":"than you thought you could find"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3185.1,"endTime":3190.59,"body":"a way out and and do something"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3185.1,"endTime":3190.59,"body":"that you can afford to fail at"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3191.82,"endTime":3196.5,"body":"rather than being stuck and and"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3191.82,"endTime":3196.5,"body":"that will give you the tools to"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3196.5,"endTime":3199.17,"body":"succeed more later as well."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3200.32,"endTime":3203.08,"body":"Awesome. Uncle"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3200.32,"endTime":3203.08,"body":"Mud, thank you so much for being"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3203.08,"endTime":3204.4,"body":"a guest on the show today. This"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3204.9,"endTime":3209.07,"body":"This was awesome."},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3204.9,"endTime":3209.07,"body":"Absolutely, it's good to meet"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3209.07,"endTime":3212.7,"body":"you. I look forward to seeing"},{"speaker":"Uncle Mud","startTime":3209.07,"endTime":3212.7,"body":"more of your stuff too."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3213.83,"endTime":3216.59,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3213.83,"endTime":3216.59,"body":"to Uncle Mud for being a guest"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3216.59,"endTime":3219.38,"body":"on the show today. 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I'm your host"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3255.59,"endTime":3258.44,"body":"Ethan Waldman, and I'll be back"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3258.44,"endTime":3261.56,"body":"next week with another episode"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3258.44,"endTime":3261.56,"body":"of the Tiny House Lifestyle"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3261.56,"endTime":3262.4,"body":"Podcast."}]}