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So anything that I"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2559.45,"endTime":2562.45,"body":"can pass on to people, and"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2559.45,"endTime":2562.45,"body":"again, make sure that they that"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2562.45,"endTime":2564.67,"body":"they stay safe doing what"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2562.45,"endTime":2564.67,"body":"they're doing and that they keep"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2564.67,"endTime":2568.48,"body":"others safe. That's Yeah, that's"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2564.67,"endTime":2568.48,"body":"what drew me into this industry."},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2568.63,"endTime":2571.12,"body":"Okay. Anything I can do?"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2571.3,"endTime":2574.45,"body":"Nice. And"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2571.3,"endTime":2574.45,"body":"actually that I had one, one"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2574.48,"endTime":2580.24,"body":"last question popped into my"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2574.48,"endTime":2580.24,"body":"head. Is there like, any kind of"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2580.27,"endTime":2585.01,"body":"waiting list to start the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2580.27,"endTime":2585.01,"body":"certification process? Or if"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2585.01,"endTime":2588.07,"body":"someone's like, Hey, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2585.01,"endTime":2588.07,"body":"starting my DIY build, like in"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2588.07,"endTime":2590.32,"body":"two weeks? Can I you know, like,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2588.07,"endTime":2590.32,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2590.32,"endTime":2593.56,"body":"want to get on"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2590.32,"endTime":2593.56,"body":"board or not. As of right now."},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2593.56,"endTime":2596.68,"body":"We are, we are ready, willing"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2593.56,"endTime":2596.68,"body":"and able to take any one of"},{"speaker":"Alex Ontiveros","startTime":2596.68,"endTime":2597.58,"body":"those. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2597.73,"endTime":2600.43,"body":"cool. Good. You"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2597.73,"endTime":2600.43,"body":"know, well, you heard it from"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2600.43,"endTime":2603.91,"body":"Alex himself. So anyone who's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2600.43,"endTime":2603.91,"body":"listening, you know where to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2603.91,"endTime":2606.7,"body":"find him. We'll we'll post a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2603.91,"endTime":2606.7,"body":"link. We're not going to put"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2606.7,"endTime":2609.19,"body":"your phone number on the show"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2606.7,"endTime":2609.19,"body":"notes. But we'll put a link to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2609.19,"endTime":2612.04,"body":"Pacific West in the show notes"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2609.19,"endTime":2612.04,"body":"and people can invite your"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2612.04,"endTime":2616.09,"body":"information there. Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2612.04,"endTime":2616.09,"body":"All right. Thanks so much, Alex."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2616.69,"endTime":2620.77,"body":"Not a problem. Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2616.69,"endTime":2620.77,"body":"for having me. Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2620.77,"endTime":2624.79,"body":"to Alex Ontiveros for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2620.77,"endTime":2624.79,"body":"guest on the show this week. You"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2624.79,"endTime":2627.76,"body":"can find the show notes"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2624.79,"endTime":2627.76,"body":"including a full transcript from"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2627.76,"endTime":2630.82,"body":"this episode, and links to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2627.76,"endTime":2630.82,"body":"Pacific West at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2630.85,"endTime":2637.75,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/162. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2630.85,"endTime":2637.75,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/162."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2638.35,"endTime":2641.26,"body":"Well, that's all for this week's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2638.35,"endTime":2641.26,"body":"show. I'm your host, Ethan"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2641.26,"endTime":2644.41,"body":"Waldman, and I'll be back next"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2641.26,"endTime":2644.41,"body":"week with another episode of the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2644.41,"endTime":2646.39,"body":"Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}