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Awesome."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2700.269,"endTime":2703.089,"body":"Sarah Burch,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2700.269,"endTime":2703.089,"body":"thank you so much for sharing"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2703.119,"endTime":2706.659,"body":"all your knowledge and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2703.119,"endTime":2706.659,"body":"inspiration really with with us."},{"speaker":"Sarah Burch","startTime":2707.379,"endTime":2710.673,"body":"Thank you, Ethan."},{"speaker":"Sarah Burch","startTime":2707.379,"endTime":2710.673,"body":"It's been a pleasure. And I look"},{"speaker":"Sarah Burch","startTime":2710.739,"endTime":2714.759,"body":"forward to when our paths"},{"speaker":"Sarah Burch","startTime":2710.739,"endTime":2714.759,"body":"crossed the third time to meet you."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2714.759,"endTime":2718.178,"body":"Yes. All right."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2714.759,"endTime":2718.178,"body":"Thank you so much. Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2718.251,"endTime":2722.834,"body":"much to Sarah Burch for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2718.251,"endTime":2722.834,"body":"guest on the show. You can find"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2722.907,"endTime":2727.272,"body":"the show notes including photos"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2722.907,"endTime":2727.272,"body":"from Sarah's bike tours, and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2727.345,"endTime":2731.201,"body":"also photos of Sarah's van"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2727.345,"endTime":2731.201,"body":"including her awesome bike"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2731.274,"endTime":2734.475,"body":"storage tray at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2731.274,"endTime":2734.475,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/165. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2734.548,"endTime":2738.913,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/165."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2734.548,"endTime":2738.913,"body":"Well, that's all for this week."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2738.986,"endTime":2743.424,"body":"I'm your host, Ethan Waldman,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2738.986,"endTime":2743.424,"body":"and I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2743.496,"endTime":2747.28,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2743.496,"endTime":2747.28,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}