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And don't forget"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2798.472,"endTime":2802.243,"body":"to use the coupon code THLP for"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2798.472,"endTime":2802.243,"body":"$100 off the TwinTemp Junior"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2802.306,"endTime":2803.5,"body":"plus free shipping."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2803.5,"endTime":2806.82,"body":"Well, that's all for this week."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2803.5,"endTime":2806.82,"body":"I'm your host Ethan Waldman and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2806.873,"endTime":2809.772,"body":"I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2806.873,"endTime":2809.772,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2809.825,"endTime":2811.09,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}