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And, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2906.46,"endTime":2909.73,"body":"encourage everyone listening to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2909.76,"endTime":2913.93,"body":"you know, go over to Amazon and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2909.76,"endTime":2913.93,"body":"pick up a copy of Tiny House"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2913.93,"endTime":2920.08,"body":"Floor Plans, Second Edition. You"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2913.93,"endTime":2920.08,"body":"know, it's just any size that"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2920.08,"endTime":2925.21,"body":"you want from 12 to 36. 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Whereas"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2945.07,"endTime":2950.05,"body":"the the 36 ones are like a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2950.05,"endTime":2955.54,"body":"receipt. It's like a long"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2950.05,"endTime":2955.54,"body":"scroll. Kind of give you a sense"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2955.54,"endTime":2959.95,"body":"of of the scale of a house like"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2955.54,"endTime":2959.95,"body":"that. But anyhow, I'm rambling."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2960.13,"endTime":2962.2,"body":"Michael Janzen, thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Michael Janzen","startTime":2962.2,"endTime":2964.51,"body":"Thanks Ethan."},{"speaker":"Michael Janzen","startTime":2962.2,"endTime":2964.51,"body":"It's been fun."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2964.51,"endTime":2967.477,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2964.51,"endTime":2967.477,"body":"to Michael Janzen for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2967.54,"endTime":2970.887,"body":"guest on the show. Today, you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2967.54,"endTime":2970.887,"body":"can find the show notes"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2970.95,"endTime":2974.55,"body":"including a full transcript,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2970.95,"endTime":2974.55,"body":"links to Michael's books and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2974.613,"endTime":2977.328,"body":"more at thetinyhouse.net/171."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2974.613,"endTime":2977.328,"body":"Again, that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2977.391,"endTime":2980.99,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/171. Well,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2977.391,"endTime":2980.99,"body":"that's all for this week. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2981.054,"endTime":2984.653,"body":"your host, Ethan Waldman, and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2981.054,"endTime":2984.653,"body":"I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2984.716,"endTime":2988.0,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2984.716,"endTime":2988.0,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}