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Emilie, thanks for being"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2439.84,"endTime":2441.97,"body":"here."},{"speaker":"Emilie Wapnick","startTime":2442.42,"endTime":2444.04,"body":"Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Emilie Wapnick","startTime":2442.42,"endTime":2444.04,"body":"much for having me. It was"},{"speaker":"Emilie Wapnick","startTime":2444.04,"endTime":2444.58,"body":"really fun."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2445.78,"endTime":2448.36,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2445.78,"endTime":2448.36,"body":"to Emilie. Wapnick for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2448.36,"endTime":2451.84,"body":"guest on the show today. You can"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2448.36,"endTime":2451.84,"body":"find the show notes including"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2451.84,"endTime":2455.71,"body":"links to everything that Emily"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2451.84,"endTime":2455.71,"body":"does, including her best selling"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2455.71,"endTime":2460.12,"body":"book, her online community and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2455.71,"endTime":2460.12,"body":"her blog at the tiny house"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2460.12,"endTime":2466.09,"body":"dotnet slash 173. Again, that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2460.12,"endTime":2466.09,"body":"that tiny house dotnet slash 173"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2466.33,"endTime":2469.24,"body":"where you will also find a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2466.33,"endTime":2469.24,"body":"complete transcript of today's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2469.24,"endTime":2472.63,"body":"episode. Well, that's all for"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2469.24,"endTime":2472.63,"body":"this week. I'm your host, Ethan"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2472.63,"endTime":2475.66,"body":"Waldman. And I'll be back next"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2472.63,"endTime":2475.66,"body":"week with another episode of the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2475.66,"endTime":2477.55,"body":"Tiny House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}