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And if people"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1818.26,"endTime":1822.73,"body":"go, if people go to my website"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1822.73,"endTime":1827.65,"body":"and and do that quiz and get on"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1822.73,"endTime":1827.65,"body":"my email list, they'll, you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1827.65,"endTime":1830.29,"body":"know, they'll hear about it, I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1827.65,"endTime":1830.29,"body":"can also send you the link, I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1830.29,"endTime":1833.44,"body":"have kind of like a waiting,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1830.29,"endTime":1833.44,"body":"like a registration form so"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1833.44,"endTime":1835.09,"body":"people can get on the waitlist"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1833.44,"endTime":1835.09,"body":"for that."},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1835.6,"endTime":1837.28,"body":"That'd be great."},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1835.6,"endTime":1837.28,"body":"I'll put anything you want to"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1837.28,"endTime":1838.99,"body":"share into the show notes."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1838.99,"endTime":1839.26,"body":"Cool."},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1839.98,"endTime":1842.59,"body":"Anything you'd like"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1839.98,"endTime":1842.59,"body":"to say in closing?"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1842.86,"endTime":1845.05,"body":"Well, I really"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1842.86,"endTime":1845.05,"body":"appreciate the opportunity to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1845.08,"endTime":1850.54,"body":"come and talk about tiny houses."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1845.08,"endTime":1850.54,"body":"And I just want to say that even"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1850.54,"endTime":1855.1,"body":"if you never want to live in a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1850.54,"endTime":1855.1,"body":"tiny house, if you never, you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1855.1,"endTime":1858.46,"body":"never want to do it, I still"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1855.1,"endTime":1858.46,"body":"think there are some things to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1858.46,"endTime":1861.7,"body":"learn from the tiny house"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1858.46,"endTime":1861.7,"body":"movement, some things to come"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1861.7,"endTime":1866.26,"body":"and get inspired by and maybe"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1861.7,"endTime":1866.26,"body":"that could help you change your"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1866.26,"endTime":1870.1,"body":"own life in in one way or"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1866.26,"endTime":1870.1,"body":"another, be it thinking about"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1870.1,"endTime":1874.75,"body":"how you can creatively reduce"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1870.1,"endTime":1874.75,"body":"your expenses or how you could"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1874.78,"endTime":1879.85,"body":"live with less, get rid of some"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1874.78,"endTime":1879.85,"body":"stuff. Think about ways of"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1879.85,"endTime":1882.52,"body":"helping other people there."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1879.85,"endTime":1882.52,"body":"There's a lot here in the tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1882.52,"endTime":1885.43,"body":"house movement. So come check it"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1882.52,"endTime":1885.43,"body":"out and be inspired."},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1885.49,"endTime":1888.31,"body":"That's wonderful."},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1885.49,"endTime":1888.31,"body":"Thank you. Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1888.34,"endTime":1888.94,"body":"You're welcome."},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1889.06,"endTime":1892.48,"body":"My thanks to Ethan"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1889.06,"endTime":1892.48,"body":"Waldman. You can find out more"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1892.48,"endTime":1896.11,"body":"about him in the show notes. I"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1892.48,"endTime":1896.11,"body":"invite everyone to write and"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1896.11,"endTime":1900.04,"body":"tell me what you've always"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1896.11,"endTime":1900.04,"body":"wanted to try. I'm Liz Sumner,"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1900.16,"endTime":1903.4,"body":"reminding you to be bold. And"},{"speaker":"Liz Sumner","startTime":1900.16,"endTime":1903.4,"body":"thanks for listening."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1909.04,"endTime":1911.29,"body":"Alright, that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1909.04,"endTime":1911.29,"body":"it for the show this week. I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1911.29,"endTime":1914.5,"body":"hope you enjoyed that"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1911.29,"endTime":1914.5,"body":"conversation with Liz Sumner on"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1914.5,"endTime":1918.73,"body":"the I Always Wanted To Podcast."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1914.5,"endTime":1918.73,"body":"If you enjoyed that show, you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1918.73,"endTime":1922.75,"body":"can check out the rest of the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1918.73,"endTime":1922.75,"body":"episodes have I Always Wanted To"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1922.78,"endTime":1933.55,"body":"at Liz.Sumner.com/always-wanted."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1922.78,"endTime":1933.55,"body":"And it's also in all the podcast"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1933.55,"endTime":1937.51,"body":"apps right alongside the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1933.55,"endTime":1937.51,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1937.87,"endTime":1941.59,"body":"Thanks to Liz for the interview"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1937.87,"endTime":1941.59,"body":"and I will be back next week"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1941.59,"endTime":1945.22,"body":"with another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1941.59,"endTime":1945.22,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}