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Great."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2218.94,"endTime":2221.85,"body":"Well, Miranda and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2218.94,"endTime":2221.85,"body":"Jan, thank you so much for being"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2221.88,"endTime":2226.38,"body":"a guest on the show today. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2221.88,"endTime":2226.38,"body":"excited to share this with the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2226.38,"endTime":2230.19,"body":"listeners and encourage people"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2226.38,"endTime":2230.19,"body":"to you know, read that"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2230.19,"endTime":2233.7,"body":"announcement or which, which I"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2230.19,"endTime":2233.7,"body":"am assuming is already up on"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2233.7,"endTime":2235.92,"body":"your website. By the time people"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2233.7,"endTime":2235.92,"body":"are listening to this."},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2236.86,"endTime":2238.87,"body":"Probably"},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2236.86,"endTime":2238.87,"body":"yes. Well, thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2238.87,"endTime":2244.57,"body":"And we just want to apologize"},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2238.87,"endTime":2244.57,"body":"for not so nice English. Our"},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2244.57,"endTime":2248.56,"body":"English is not ourmother"},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2244.57,"endTime":2248.56,"body":"language, so I hope everybody"},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2248.56,"endTime":2251.68,"body":"could understand it. Well, and"},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2248.56,"endTime":2251.68,"body":"if you have any questions,"},{"speaker":"Miranda van Mensvoort","startTime":2251.74,"endTime":2253.15,"body":"please get in contact with us."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2254.11,"endTime":2256.99,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2254.11,"endTime":2256.99,"body":"to Miranda and Jan from the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2256.99,"endTime":2260.2,"body":"Living Alliance for being guests"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2256.99,"endTime":2260.2,"body":"on the show today, you can find"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2260.2,"endTime":2263.23,"body":"the show notes including a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2260.2,"endTime":2263.23,"body":"complete transcript and links to"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2263.23,"endTime":2267.7,"body":"the Tiny Living Alliance at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2263.23,"endTime":2267.7,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/188. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2267.7,"endTime":2272.14,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/188."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2267.7,"endTime":2272.14,"body":"Well, that's all for this week."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2272.32,"endTime":2274.93,"body":"I'm your host, Ethan Waldman and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2272.32,"endTime":2274.93,"body":"I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2274.93,"endTime":2278.08,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2274.93,"endTime":2278.08,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}