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You"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2648.99,"endTime":2652.56,"body":"can find lots of photos of"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2652.59,"endTime":2656.52,"body":"Corianne's tiny house, along"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2652.59,"endTime":2656.52,"body":"with a full transcript and links"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2656.52,"endTime":2663.03,"body":"to Koreans website and Airbnb at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2656.52,"endTime":2663.03,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/189. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2663.03,"endTime":2667.65,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/189."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2663.03,"endTime":2667.65,"body":"Well, that's all for this week."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2667.89,"endTime":2670.53,"body":"I'm your host, Ethan Waldman."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2667.89,"endTime":2670.53,"body":"And I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2670.53,"endTime":2673.8,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":2670.53,"endTime":2673.8,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}