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And we're hiring all"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1427.24,"endTime":1430.33,"body":"the time. So if there's any"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1427.24,"endTime":1430.33,"body":"lawyers out there who want to"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1430.33,"endTime":1432.49,"body":"join our ranks, please check us"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1430.33,"endTime":1432.49,"body":"out."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1432.73,"endTime":1435.76,"body":"Nice. So are you"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1432.73,"endTime":1435.76,"body":"are all of your cases against"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1435.76,"endTime":1438.37,"body":"the government? Are there times"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1435.76,"endTime":1438.37,"body":"that you that you're not suing"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1438.37,"endTime":1438.88,"body":"the government?"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1439.39,"endTime":1440.98,"body":"All of our"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1439.39,"endTime":1440.98,"body":"cases are against the"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1440.98,"endTime":1444.34,"body":"government, but we don't just do"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1440.98,"endTime":1444.34,"body":"litigation. 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You can"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1588.48,"endTime":1591.54,"body":"tell if you think that your"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1588.48,"endTime":1591.54,"body":"rights are being violated, or"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1591.6,"endTime":1596.1,"body":"you may need our help, you can"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1591.6,"endTime":1596.1,"body":"go to our website, there's a"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1596.22,"endTime":1598.77,"body":"form you can fill out if you"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1596.22,"endTime":1598.77,"body":"have a potential case, you could"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1598.77,"endTime":1606.09,"body":"also email me directly. My email"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1598.77,"endTime":1606.09,"body":"is esmith@ij.org. And we would"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1606.09,"endTime":1608.82,"body":"be very interested in hearing"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1606.09,"endTime":1608.82,"body":"from you. There's no guarantee"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1608.82,"endTime":1612.33,"body":"that we can help. But there's a"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1608.82,"endTime":1612.33,"body":"couple of cases we're very"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1612.33,"endTime":1616.56,"body":"interested in bringing right now"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1612.33,"endTime":1616.56,"body":"related to tiny homes. One is"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1616.65,"endTime":1619.59,"body":"more cases like this one where"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1616.65,"endTime":1619.59,"body":"there's a minimum square footage"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1619.59,"endTime":1622.98,"body":"requirement. And that's the only"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1619.59,"endTime":1622.98,"body":"thing that's preventing you from"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1623.16,"endTime":1627.99,"body":"having your your home, it gets"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1623.16,"endTime":1627.99,"body":"harder to to bring a legal"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1627.99,"endTime":1631.2,"body":"challenge if the government is"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1627.99,"endTime":1631.2,"body":"citing seven or eight different"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1631.2,"endTime":1635.13,"body":"reasons why your tiny home can"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1631.2,"endTime":1635.13,"body":"exist. But if it's just like a"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1635.13,"endTime":1638.34,"body":"one claim reason that makes it"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1635.13,"endTime":1638.34,"body":"easier for us to challenge."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1638.49,"endTime":1638.94,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1639.3,"endTime":1641.82,"body":"The other"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1639.3,"endTime":1641.82,"body":"thing we are interested in"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1641.82,"endTime":1646.17,"body":"challenging is situations where"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1641.82,"endTime":1646.17,"body":"you have a tiny home, whether"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1646.17,"endTime":1649.74,"body":"it's on a foundation or on"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1646.17,"endTime":1649.74,"body":"wheels, and the government won't"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1649.74,"endTime":1652.74,"body":"let you have it, even if you"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1649.74,"endTime":1652.74,"body":"want to put it in a very remote"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1652.74,"endTime":1658.26,"body":"rural location. So let's say you"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1652.74,"endTime":1658.26,"body":"have 10 acres, your tiny home"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1658.26,"endTime":1661.59,"body":"would be somewhere where nobody"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1658.26,"endTime":1661.59,"body":"can even see it, the neighbors"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1661.59,"endTime":1665.1,"body":"can't even see it. And they're"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1661.59,"endTime":1665.1,"body":"still preventing you from doing"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1665.1,"endTime":1668.37,"body":"that. We're very interested in"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1665.1,"endTime":1668.37,"body":"trying to bring a case like"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1668.37,"endTime":1668.67,"body":"that."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1668.88,"endTime":1669.21,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1669.21,"endTime":1671.64,"body":"So if you"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1669.21,"endTime":1671.64,"body":"have, if you're in a situation"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1671.64,"endTime":1674.52,"body":"like that, or if you know"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1671.64,"endTime":1674.52,"body":"somebody who is, you know, don't"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1674.52,"endTime":1675.57,"body":"hesitate to reach out."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1676.44,"endTime":1679.38,"body":"Awesome. And is"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1676.44,"endTime":1679.38,"body":"that would that be also a zoning"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1679.38,"endTime":1682.41,"body":"based case for the the idea of a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1679.38,"endTime":1682.41,"body":"tiny house in the middle of"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1682.41,"endTime":1682.8,"body":"nowhere?"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1683.49,"endTime":1686.58,"body":"Yeah, yes,"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1683.49,"endTime":1686.58,"body":"those are, those are usually"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1686.58,"endTime":1689.43,"body":"zoning restrictions that prevent"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1686.58,"endTime":1689.43,"body":"you from from doing that."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1689.67,"endTime":1691.41,"body":"Erica Smith"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1689.67,"endTime":1691.41,"body":"Ewing, thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1691.41,"endTime":1693.63,"body":"being a guest on the show today."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1691.41,"endTime":1693.63,"body":"It was great to talk with you."},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1694.17,"endTime":1695.64,"body":"Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Erica Smith Ewing","startTime":1694.17,"endTime":1695.64,"body":"having me, Ethan."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1696.27,"endTime":1699.547,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1696.27,"endTime":1699.547,"body":"to Erica Smith Ewing for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1699.613,"endTime":1703.743,"body":"guest on the show today. You can"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1699.613,"endTime":1703.743,"body":"find the show notes, including"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1703.808,"endTime":1707.807,"body":"links to information about the"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1703.808,"endTime":1707.807,"body":"lawsuit, a video about it, and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1707.872,"endTime":1710.691,"body":"more at thetinyhouse.net/192."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1707.872,"endTime":1710.691,"body":"Again, that's"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1710.757,"endTime":1714.493,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/192. Well,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1710.757,"endTime":1714.493,"body":"that's all for this week. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1714.559,"endTime":1718.295,"body":"your host, Ethan Waldman, and"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1714.559,"endTime":1718.295,"body":"I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1718.361,"endTime":1721.77,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":1718.361,"endTime":1721.77,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}