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Well,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3212.85,"endTime":3215.772,"body":"Joe Callantine thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3215.832,"endTime":3219.41,"body":"for being a guest on the show"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3215.832,"endTime":3219.41,"body":"today. It was really wonderful"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3219.47,"endTime":3222.93,"body":"to finally connect and, and hear"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3219.47,"endTime":3222.93,"body":"hear all about Life Size."},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3223.71,"endTime":3226.802,"body":"Yeah. Again,"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3223.71,"endTime":3226.802,"body":"Ethan, I appreciate you having"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3226.874,"endTime":3231.188,"body":"me on and if anybody's got any"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3226.874,"endTime":3231.188,"body":"questions, or they can always"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3231.26,"endTime":3235.0,"body":"check us out on online, Life"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3231.26,"endTime":3235.0,"body":"Size Tiny Communities,"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3235.072,"endTime":3239.242,"body":"communities is plural. Or you"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3235.072,"endTime":3239.242,"body":"can reach me directly by our"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3239.314,"endTime":3243.27,"body":"website, or just simply Joe@lifesizetinycommunities.com"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3243.48,"endTime":3246.431,"body":"Awesome. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3243.48,"endTime":3246.431,"body":"And I'll put links to everything"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3246.494,"endTime":3250.2,"body":"and some photos in on the show"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3246.494,"endTime":3250.2,"body":"notes page for this episode."},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3250.2,"endTime":3252.87,"body":"Sure, that"},{"speaker":"Joe Callantine","startTime":3250.2,"endTime":3252.87,"body":"sounds great."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3252.87,"endTime":3255.992,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3252.87,"endTime":3255.992,"body":"to Joe Callantine, for being a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3256.057,"endTime":3260.286,"body":"guest on the show today. You can"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3256.057,"endTime":3260.286,"body":"find the show notes, including a"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3260.351,"endTime":3263.409,"body":"full transcript at"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3260.351,"endTime":3263.409,"body":"thetinyhouse.net/197. Again,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3263.474,"endTime":3267.378,"body":"that's thetinyhouse.net/197."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3263.474,"endTime":3267.378,"body":"Well, that's all for this week."},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3267.443,"endTime":3271.411,"body":"I'm your host, Ethan Waldman,"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3267.443,"endTime":3271.411,"body":"and I'll be back next week with"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3271.476,"endTime":3274.86,"body":"another episode of the Tiny"},{"speaker":"Ethan Waldman","startTime":3271.476,"endTime":3274.86,"body":"House Lifestyle Podcast."}]}