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Welcome to the World of Horror podcast. I'm Mom. And I'm Mac. This is the podcast where we share our love of international horror. Fear is universal, but we are not afraid of subtitles before we get into it. Fair warning. These discussions will include spoilers and spicy language Hot tamale. Wohos. This week, we are, are diverging from our normal program with a special bonus episode, featuring our new friends, Martin and Boaz from the Film versus Film podcast. Welcome guys. Peace Up.<laugh> we, we Evolve into gangsters or whatever for this one. Your brother. Yeah, something happened. I know. How was that?<laugh> I like the nineties. Alright. It's Nostalgic Now that I'm older.<laugh> Yeah, we're very well, thank you. I went to the, uh, I went to a popular clothing store and it was like, I was sent back to like the Nickelodeon kids choice awards. I was like, oh my God. They're like telling the kids, this Is cool. We can't do this, this, Yeah. So like late nineties, early nineties was quite embarrassing. Like, oh God, did I really wear that? Let's Just learn from our mistakes.<laugh> yeah, I try <laugh> And fail. Why don't you guys give us a little introduction to your podcast? Are those who aren't familiar with it? Yeah, sure. Uh, so our film podcast is called the film versus film podcast where I pretty much talk to Boaz Yon about whatever he wants to talk about.<laugh> um, but uh, basically our podcast is we select a topic around a film release and either me, my, uh, either myself will pick one Myself. Yes. And Irene. Yeah.<laugh> Um, and BES will pick one of a certain subject and we basically battle it out between and talk about directing intellectually and physically, I get a sword. He gets a sword. Yes. Whoever Wins. How Supposed to yes. Uh, You, Well, what was it? I think I won last year by a few wins, I think was fun. You know, we scored out a 10 favorite shots, lines, favorite performances. And, uh, we now we're doing guests and probably our best episode we've done was the vampire episode of course. Oh, That That's pretty when you guys were on. Yeah, That, that was great. I think about it. That Was a great one. We blew up your leaderboard And we're not sorry about it at all.<laugh> And you blew my mind. Um, That's great.<laugh> aside, aside From the vampires one, is there another one that you would recommend for people? Well, I guess if you want a laugh riot, then the Batman episode would fill me in. That was, that was, oh yeah, That was great for me. Well, tough, tough to control in my end, but You know <laugh> yeah, Yeah. That was just absolute chaos. Yeah.<laugh> Yeah, but some really good ones I can think of, uh, the Tom Hardy one, we did last year. That was great. Um, some great east end accents, if you love east end accents <laugh> um, what, what are some of your favorite power? Uh, I think, you know, the, uh, to, was it Thomas Anderson or? Um, well, it ended up being Daniel Day Lewis cause we just picked Daniel Day Lewis movies. Um, his collaborate with him and you know, I love Daniel Del Lewis and uh, I talked for ages about, about those movies. So I recommend that. Yeah, that was a long edit cause <laugh> is favorite film of all time. I just went on for ages and ages and ages. I was like, stop talking. No <laugh> in My head, but you know, it was, it was fun. Sometimes I see that face in my mom where I'm like, I can, I look like I'm like talking expounding and then I look at the camera and I see she's like <laugh> Yeah. Or I look at the camera and mom, lovely. Yeah. I've gone and made a cup of tea. I'm like, oh, you still going, okay. Oh, Where'd you go? It's good for a host to have a poker face, but I don't have one at all. So right. Well, it doesn't work. It's very easy to tell. That's true. But you guys were nice enough to have us on and that sort of inspired us to create this spinoff bonus series where guests come to discuss their favorite horror film. Cool. So guys, what are we going to talk about today? Um, so our film is if Ben grim got COVID, uh <laugh> <laugh>. That is the Explanation. Can I just alien as like a you're alien, fantastic. Four spinoff solo film, you know? Yeah.<laugh> Jesus. But yeah, we went with John, carpenter's the thing from 1982. I just adore this film. I think he do two as well. About as don't you. Yeah, this is great. Yeah. I've actually been trying to get this. Well, I've been trying to cover this film on our podcasts for ages, but it's never come up. Um, And I've tried, I try and like involve both as in a few of the, uh, a few of like the subjects we go with and one of them was well for natural horror films, but we thought, well, it didn't really count. I don't think the thing. Cause it's an alien. It's an alien. Supernatural. Yeah. It's not really a coast. Yeah. And then what was the other one? Uh, oh, when west side's story came out, I was like to bow out. Should we do Spielberg films or remakes and hinting? The top one remakes let's do remix <laugh> but no went, no. He went for Spielberg films on our Day <laugh> And then, uh, in January, I pretty much had our schedule pretty much, you know, all planned for the first six months. Apart from the very first one, I was like, oh, what, what should we do for the first one? So it was between two movies, like licorice pizza, which, uh, directed by Paul Thomas Anderson and Julia Decar nows, uh, Titan, which I'm really, I haven't seen that one yet, but I really wanna see it for those. I had like foreign language, horror films or, uh, body horror films with again, body horror films at the top. But of course forgetting that it's Boaz and that his favorite film for time is there, there will be blood. He of course went with port Thomas Anderson films, but um, yeah.<laugh> yeah, you screwed up then, uh, screwed Up there. And then when you asked, I was like, yes, let's do the thing. We've gotta do the thing. It's not coming up. Let's do it here. There's kind of like no other movie. Like it, I almost feel like, like I know that there are similar, there are definitely films like it, but out watching it, it just stands apart so much because I feel like it just hits every note so well, Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> So, uh, what's your experience with the film? Like when did you first watch it or For, for me, I, when I was a small child, um, my dad didn't really care what I films. I watched <laugh>. So I loved to do like how horror movie, uh, film nights with my friends on birthdays. So, uh, one of them was like alien where a lot of my friends chickened out and we were like 12, 11, you know, <laugh> a lot of my friends chickened out to watch the Empress new groove in my bedroom. But That is an incredible Survived for alien. Yeah. But I mean, alien, come on, you can't turn that down. And then the others were kind of like probably like aliens and, uh, I think diehard one of them at someone else's house, but then one of them was the thing and I just like, this is amazing and really found it shit's Gary and yeah, amazing. Whenever I watched, um, movies on my birthday, I made everybody watch Austin Powers <laugh> Yeah, Baby.<laugh> Every year I was like, well, last year was Austin Powers too. So now we're doing Austin Powers three <laugh> That's cool. Nice. Sorry, but what, Um, yeah, no, I was saying, uh, I, I watched this film a lot later in my life. I never watched it as a kid or anything like that. Um, I just, I, I caught it on TV, but I was very aware of the film. I'd seen it in like so many top 10 lists and um, so many, you know, the best horror movies and all this stuff. So I was aware of it. Um, I think the only scene I had seen was where his hands get nod off. So I'd seen that like a few times, so it was on TV and I was like, you know, I'll just give it a watch. And yeah, I was just blown away. I was like, oh my God. Like, I think it's a tour of force of practical effects and like animatronic where you're just like these days you can see GI anything. And this is like, man, this is so damn creative and so real. Uh, it's just UN it's kind of unbelievable that they made it practically. You're like, you know, um, but yeah, I, I think it's, I think it, it looks amazing, still looks very amazing. It, I, I wish movies still, like, I think that there are really great uses of practical effects still, but it's like, like imagine if they could have mixed what we can do now with like CGI and stuff with practical effects in the newer one. Like, it would've been insane. Yeah. But, um, I feel like it was such a misfire cuz it's like, I feel like what everybody loves is how like real, everything feels in The, yeah. I, I remember all That. Like even if you know that it's like creative. Yeah, Good. So I was watching, uh, I was watching this thing, uh, where they were talking about the 2011, uh, prequel for the thing confusingly also called the thing. And um, uh, you know, a lot of people didn't like that and the CGI is really dated. I mean, even for 2011 it looks really kind of really bad. And um, this guy, uh, did this little documentary where you're saying they actually did hire a company to do practical effects, like, um, you know, uh, like animatronics and, and, and costumes and other. And um, they showed off some of their work and then the director decided against it. He was like, no, we'll just do it all CGI. And uh, they reused many of that props for a, for a, an indie film, which I can't remember its name, but there is an indie film out there which uses Is that the void <laugh> it might be actually, I think that does ring a ring a, is that the void? I think it is. Yeah. I just absolutely loving the void and like having amazing practical effects that I think they Like, that looks like the thing. Yeah. They reused all of the practical effects that they had made for the thing 2012 and used it for that film. Yeah. Could have been. Yeah. Yeah. So that director really shot himself in the foot or the balls <laugh> But the funny thing is, is the fact that, um, like half the time using like, uh, CGI visual effects is more expensive than practical effects<laugh> yeah. So half the time it doesn't make sense, but I, I just think it's just laziness and just this, this whole attitude and some big studio Elms of like, yeah, we'll just do it in post, you know, fix post. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> but surely you gotta try and do as much as you can in camera and not just, and, and also it's just easier for the actors. You're gonna get better performances from the actors, ultimately, in my opinion, rather than them screaming their head off at a tennis ball, you know, <laugh>, You know, be very scary tennis ball. I Know there's supposed to be actors, but it's nice to react to something that's actually scary and not something thorough, but, and green There's like, like the elk one scene, um, where the head is like kind of scuttling by, and it just like walks past, like Kurt, Russell. It's just like, like you like that needs to be <laugh> like, I don't know. That just feels just like, yeah, there's just a little, a little thing in here. And I, I don't know. I, I feel like even a shot like that, like is you need something like viscerally there for before. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. We're gonna try to recreate some of those shots. Um, this week for promotional, uh, purposes with standing in for McReedy. Oh, that's Cool. Mac's cat standing in for that. Oh wow. Spider Thing. She, you could take my, you could take my seven head if you want, just attach some legs to it.<laugh> great. I'm willing to make the old <laugh>. Well, I would so love to be in a movie like that. Like God, can you imagine getting, I would like love to take a photo like that. I don't remember his name, but the guy who, he kind of things out in the chair in that like scene with the blood, like yeah. And like the blood coming out of his eyes, like how it just immediately switches to that. Like I would love to see somebody create that of me.<laugh> I know. Yeah. That would be insane. Right. It'd be amazing. Yeah, I know. That would be great. Yeah. That's gonna be a, yeah. That's gonna be some something you can pay for. I mean, most people are probably pretty familiar with this. Um, it's super famous and super influential, but, um, can one of you just sort of give a brief overview of the plot? Uh, yeah. Is that okay if I do this man? Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. You'll bother me at that. So yeah, I think I'm more concise you, you know, um, but anyway, I don't wanna brag or, but anyway, it follows the team of a, a USA research station in the Arctic and, uh, they're chilling for, you know, cuz it's cold and uh, a Norwegian oh, a Norwegian research team chasing you're right, Right. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. Everything's good. Great. So anyway, a Norwegian research team is chasing a, uh, dog to the us research team's facility and is shooting at it. Uh, his helicopter also explodes. He accidentally shoots one of the, um, the us researchers. They shoot him and take in the dog. What they don't know is the dog is actually an alien shape shifting life form. Um, and it starts, uh, basically assimilating some of the, the, the, the people in the research station and taking on their appearance and attitudes and everything. So it becomes a very kind of claustrophobic, uh, very paranoid movie where nobody is. I sure who's the alien and who's not, and they've all gotta work it out. Um, the main hero of the film is, uh, McCreedy played by, um, Kurt Russell and, uh, yeah, they're just trying to find whoever it is. That's the creature, destroy it and make sure it doesn't leave the, the facility. Great. That's a great recap bonus. Nicely done. Thanks.<laugh> um, I, and it's really something that I got, um, on a second watch was truly how well I feel like they do like paranoia in this movie too, of like, they'll just have a conversation with somebody. And then like two seconds later, like, be like, well, we just saw him run over there. Like what, what is he doing? And, um, I play this, uh, there's this game online called "Deceit" and it's very similar. It's just that like, it's you, you play with your friends and you have like an objective, but two of you are, um, like creatures that need to drink blood. And then there are times when the lights go out, go out and then the creatures are supposed to transform if they have enough blood and then kill the other players. And then, but then when the lights are on, the players can vote out people. Um, ah, That Sounds pretty cool. Yeah. It'll really be like that too, where it's like, you are innocent, but somebody is just like, well, I haven't seen Mac in like 15 minutes. So like it's definitely Amount of times I've gotten Killed while I'm innocent. It Obviously The <laugh> It happens all the time. And Like watching This, I was like, this is Realistic.<laugh> um, Make sure It's only more like that if it's real, a life<laugh> that, that reminds me of that video doesn't Video game that my brother used to play. That was like that, um, you know, it, it popularized that term. Sus does anybody, any millennials know what the hell I'm talking about Among Us among Us? That's the one that's the one among us. Yeah.<laugh> yeah. Oh, it was kind of funny when I was looking at the, a letter boxed reviews because um, people were saying, this is a complete rip off of, among us <laugh> Hmm. Which would be a trick since we came out in 80, two's joking, This, this generation should just be destroyed. Like, um, there is there's absolutely no hope. Yeah. Pretty much <laugh> oh my God. It's They're probably being ironic.<laugh> hopefully I hope So. We all hope so, but it's probably not true, but <laugh> um, But I think the setting is perfect for this because it's all, you know, it's so cold and they shot, I guess, on an actual glacier in, uh, they look Fucking Cold. They does. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it's all, it's all, I don't know if you've ever been in an environment like this, but, um, Nope. It can be extremely isolating and people do go insane. Um, when, when they're shut in like that. And so I think it's, that's per I don't think it would've worked, you know, if it was like in the desert, I think what's pretty cool is like even the, I think they landed in the right place, I guess. So I think even at the start of the film, everybody's already quite on edge. And I like when, uh, he's trying to, they tell him the radio guy, you gotta contact the mainland. You, you know, cuz of all this shit, that's just gone down. We shot a man and he's like, I haven't been able to get anybody in two weeks. So it's like, it's actually been hell four weeks and they're all pissed off and bored, like McCreedy is playing, uh, what was it chess with that roller? And the thing beats him. He just destroyed something. Yeah. So I think you About that. And I was like, he just destroyed this machine.<laugh> Yeah. Like what? He only friend Casual beat Him chest. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but you can tell like even at the start, they are really pissed off about being there and you know, this just makes it, you know, so much worse. So they're already in a pretty bad spot. Anyway. I mean, if this happened with my coworkers, I would like my, my prior coworkers, some of them I would be like, I don't know. It's probably that guy. I've never liked that guy. I don't Knows. Tell it. So people you're just like Bang. It's what it felt. They were just like windows you motherfucker.<laugh> Well, there's a scene where like mere, straight out, just murders. Uh, the guy who likes oh, Cooper dogs, you know, Mean? That was fair. That was totally fair. I'm I'm a mare. Um, apologist <laugh> Really, He did have a, like a scalper or something. Yeah. He was gonna Get him. He was gonna get him. That's The main character. He can't kill him. No hesitation at all. Oh you right? Bang. You're dead. I'm like I'm Christ, man. I think I would've done the same. You you're again, you're dealing with, you're dealing with a creature that will turn into a, a mass of tentacles and teeth and tear you apart. Fuck everyone. In fact, I would've had as much restraint as graffiti. He's no, I'm absolutely serious. If you're in a, an isolated environment with me and this goes down, be very careful because if I had, if I had his flame, I I'm serious. If I had McCree's flame throw he's testing everyone. I would've just burn everyone alive. You know, I'm bound to get the alien. I'm bound to get the alien. If that, there we go. And I'll just play some video games and just wait on the rest. You know, that's the smart, that's the smart Thing. All right. We're not Camping. There was a horrific act. There's nothing. I, I tried to save everybody. Yeah. Only I survived Exactly. The monster. Got them all. I Left the stove on. Sorry. For, for reason. Yeah. The thing is McCree did warn them because yeah, I really think he was pissed off when um, uh, that one guy was like, yeah, Irey cuz he was like, I'll kill you all. Like I'll don't test me. Well that whole part with the underwear that went on for a while and I was like, what is actually happening? It does drag drag on just a tad. But I think it was really just to get the, you know, sort of build the suspicion toward McCreedy and then McCreedy kinda flips it. Like I've got this, you know, dynamite. I will blow all your motherfuckers. So, You know, unless you let me back inside. Yeah. So I, I actually love that sequence cuz it definitely builds like, uh, this sense of paranoia in the film because when we learn that the thing can like imitate any of them, they all start to look at each other differently. And when F dies and there's this one I shot of Fs of uh, Fs, imitation. And he goes up to McCreedy Shaq and McCreedy and Noles, uh, going go outside to take Fs, Fs out. But when Noles finds a torn, uh, shirt of McCreedy, he cuts him loose because of the blizzard and all of the others start suspecting McCreedy is the thing, but McCreedy has a bomb and he could take everyone out. But when Norris stops, uh, breathing all of a sudden, so the doctor starts like CPR uses the paddle that while that's happening, all the tension is with McCreedy. You know, is he the thing? Is he the monster? Then one of them, like, as we've said, quietly grabs the scalp, um, moments before yes. Moments before the scene we were just talking about. But so all the attention is with McCreedy and all the Evers are watching him closely. Then all of a sudden Norris's chest opens up and bites the doctor's arms off, uh, an amazing monster design happens, but I just love, there's been so much plot development for this one, like misdirect to create this brilliant jump scare. Yeah. Uh, I, I think First time I saw that I was just like, holy Crap. I think I didn't, I think does some really good misdirects because, um, you know, I think a lot of the, uh, the dialogue and everything like that really helps it and the characterizations cuz everybody's expecting everybody else. No one's is suspecting the big guy. Like absolutely no one. And I like, even when they're they're deciding who should have the gun, who should be the leader and um, uh, what was the guy that actually has the gun? You know, you know, he's freaking out, he's getting the other guy to drop his gun and then he, yeah. Who was it again? Gary's name? Is it Gary? Gary? Yeah, that was it Gary. So they, they, they they're very suspicious of him cuz he is the only one that had the key to the blood and stuff, but he puts it down. So you're like, oh it can't be him. And then they're having that thing about who should be the leader and Childs, uh, really hates McCreedy McCreedy doesn't like ch so they're not trusting each other, but then they even talk, uh, about the big guy. They say, how about you? Do you wanna, uh, lead and, and he's kind of like stunned you. And he's like, uh, I wouldn't really know what to do in that situation. And you think, well that couldn't, he couldn't possibly, but he's so timid. He's so whatever, I think it's literally the aliens brain hasn't really formed. He has no idea really what the fuck's going on. So it's just like, Definitely what The hell are you asking of me? And um, yeah. I'm Comfort. I think from that, it's just, you get, oh, he's just really scared at this moment. And he's like the, the most harmless and the most skittish and look, he even passed out. No, he's like actually a fricking monster and then I think it builds off And I, yeah. Yeah. And it builds off again, you know, with the Palmer reveal where Palmer is come, comes across as quite a nice guy, even when, um, uh, you know, the big guy turns in a Mo he's like he, even it out when it starts to run away, he's like, you know, I'll be what the fuck is going on there. Do you know what I mean? And then they turn around and, and scene it and you think, and he's being so compliant and he's making jokes and stuff and he's talking about, um, oh, what was it? You know, this is like that alien book char at the go, he's very talky as a character. So like there's no way this guy so gregarious and especially cuz child doesn't like, McCreedy like, is it that he just distrusts him? Or is there something there? And Gary has the key you're pulling to those characters. And you know, just before, you know, when he just touches the blood and it's Palm, that is a huge surprise cuz it's pointing everything away from him. It's, it's not even pointing away from him. The focus isn't really on to him. He's just, he's on these other guys and He's just, yeah. And it, I think it's just, it's so amazing cuz you really get the sense of uh, cuz they were talking about how the organism is so advanced and it can imitate everything. I think before those two reveals, it was doing a pretty piss poor job of imitation, you know, where it's uh, it's it, it took that guy, but he still has the healing. Yeah. And I, I kind of add to that point in the film, I was under the impression That Scene. Yeah, yeah. That maybe it wasn't that advanced, but that it can even have like this manufactured personality and pretend to be, you know, compliant and you know, what have you, and then just turn into this, whatever you, it, uh, I think it makes the scares look. I really, I love Ben's death though.<laugh> because it, uh, where the imitation, uh, as if he could shout, you know, say, Hey, um, that's not fair. I haven't finished the fingers yet.<laugh> yeah. Yeah's Not really long. It's like, uh, it's brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. Do you mind, I'm Naked here. Survivor.<laugh> not finished. Um, like this really is like survivor in a way, because if you, the people who, The people who really end up winning are it is you have to kind of look at reality and look at and think like, okay, wait, wait, who is the person that I already just decided? Well, it couldn't be that like, and that honestly gets me so much in real puzzles also. Like I feel like your brain tricks you sometimes into already accepting like, well, I accept that. It's definitely not this thing. Um, and then you're like, well, what could the solution be? Um, and I think that's, what's so smart about this too, is that it never says like, guys, it's not this thing. Definitely not. It's just that, like you said, it, it very much is like the, this is the most suspicious thing we got going on here. Um, mm-hmm <affirmative> so that it, they become almost part of like the wallpaper and yeah, that scene, it, it almost, I think, because it's so iconic of like the stomach opening up, like it's put everywhere. Um, yeah, but I really wish I could have had seen that like completely like imagine being like the first person to see that. I just feel like, yeah, that would've been what I wouldn't give for that experience. This is why I think, do you know what I think would sell really well? You know, those men in black pens there's like neutralizes <laugh> no, I think those would sell you just Like Delete movie from your brain and then watch it with fresh. Yeah. I Love that. I would love that. I would like Would, I would be so annoying every day on Twitter. I'd be like, like guys, did you know this movie? So good. Wow. It's an incredible twist. You've said Mac, you've said a hundred times, leave us alone. Um, yeah. Block. Can We talk about Blair a little bit? Sure. Um, I really like his performance. I really thought It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. He was great. And I like it once he becomes the thing was kind of back to what Boaz was saying goes I'm okay now. And I'd really like to come back in. I love hell no You're saying in that. And it Sounds like so Suspicious. It's just like, there's No way. There's no way let you back in inside. But it's so funny that the thing would think, oh, this will be convincing this. This is a good pit. Yeah. I quite like the little like spaceship design. He kind of builds. Yeah. It's a bit kind of interesting to get your head around. I'm like, why are you making a very, very small spaceship compared to the one that you saw in the ice? Yeah. But uh, yeah, it's quite, I kind of like that little scene there where they go down, um, near The end and it's amazing then when you think about it, cuz I remember like the first time you watch it and you see Blair, it like in your head, it just kind of makes logical sense of like, if a scientist knew that this could get to the popule, you know, he'd go crazy. But then now thinking if that was the alien, the alien, maybe just couldn't conceptualize such a thing and having it written so clearly out there was just like <laugh> well, I know what I gotta do. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Like I'm gonna get them to lock me up. Um, I'm gonna shoot at everybody. Totally. Um, like this things You, you call don't argue with an extremely advanced AI computer like that. So, you know, Well, no that, That Powerful computer that is No, that is actually a hundred percent true. Cause you don't actually know when Blake turned into the alien and it could have been when he, everybody thought he was doing the rational thing of keeping, uh, the creature Iceman. But no, they, they were saying that there were helicopter of parts in the that's probably why you sabotaged the helicopter not to stop it from flying, but to actually make a spaceship. So, you know, a lot of things like yeah, Are really interesting in sort of retrospect that you have to have a few re Watchers and you're like, oh, it's pretty Interesting talking of helicopters though. I did find it a bit clunky though. Uh, when they have to kind of destroy the helicopter at the beginning where the Norwegian guy accidentally throws the grenade backwards and blows the helicopter. Oh yeah. I was like, that was be Funny.<laugh> but I, I can give it a pass. It's fine. Is this like, I feel like this is the first time I've ever seen such. Like, I feel like a, a lesser film would've maybe like just somehow made those guys Russian. Like I just feel like I've never seen like a, like just the way they went guns blazing, like I'm shooting at the Americans. I don't give a fuck. You know, like I was watching. I was like, it's really interesting that they're no region. Yeah, no that is yeah, no, Yeah. That's a good point. Good. Yeah. I think, I think that's kinda cool. Not go with just keep Confusing Them. Yeah. Not to go with Swedish stereotypes and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's one thing we definitely need to talk about and that's uh, arguably one of the, the scariest things in this film and that's Kurt Russell's hat <laugh> what is that? I mean, It's really big. Yeah. I don't remember. Yeah. You don't remember the hat. I Looking that he's so Beautiful. Like near beginning. Oh My God. Hold on. I'm gonna go type it up. He does. He's He's like a peak Russell mess in this movie. He is gorgeous. I mean, it seems Like he gets with his country sometimes because he gets, you know, corrected that people, the, the people that shoot the dog at start were Norwegian, but no, he has, uh, yeah, he has to be correct it because he thinks they're Swedish, but now they're Norwegian.<laugh> That's a good characterization for him. I feel you Get they're really like this guy is smart and tactical, but Yeah, Yeah, no, Yeah. He's kind of like is Also like a drunk, like I think it's amazing that they got so much alcohol and marijuana up here.<laugh> Because I, and he's the best kind of drunk. I mean, he's like, he's a fully functional, like he should be falling down, but HES completely know why he's got so completely functional, rational. Yeah. It, I mean he feel, you can sense his depression. Um, but other than that, I mean he's a fully competent, you know, leader. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think he's a very good Leader. So that's, I mean, I don't think he's like very popular with the, the guys, especially Childs he's I think quite distant. No, doesn't really no child talk to them much. Um, but he is a very good leader. I think that can't, won't be understating. Um, I do. I love, Well, that's what I like too, is that even I was just saying, I really love like the rivalry between him and Childs and um, you know, how they just, they just do not trust each other, like at the drop of a hat, like Childs is really ready to just kill him, like almost constantly. And then I find kind of awesome that at the end, the, the last two to survive, you know, and these unlikely sort of allies, um, that said I do, I know this very popular theory about like whether Childs is actually the thing. And I, I really like that Really Is the thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think that would be Then, Well, you know, there are several kind of How would that, so what's the theory. So there are several hints at this. Like he calls four, four Childs on the radio when they're all kind of disappearing and the, the place explodes and stuff. Yeah. And he even says, when he meets child, it's like, you didn't answer where the hell were you. And he, he says some something, oh, you know, I was, uh, whatever, but I was watching this thing and I was like, did you notice, like his jacket is even different. He's wearing a different jacket from when they last talk to each other. Oh. And it's already established as a plot point. That's just the script, his jaw properly. I don't, I think, I think this is a deliberate act of, I don't think ma making the door open, but having a secret twist that nobody is a aware of that's established in the plot, but it's established that this thing cannot mimic clothing. So, and this is why it kind of kept changing clothes cuz and why they even expect, uh, suspected McCreedy cuz his shirt was to him. So I have a feeling, you know, this is the thing and it literally, it can't be wearing the same coat and it didn't come to aid because it's actually the thing. And then I, I think that that's cool that at the end he just really doesn't care. He's like he shares the drinks with this could be Childs, you know? And uh, it is completely uncon concerned. It's like you, cause he even says like, you know, well what are we gonna do now? It's like, well we're gonna die. You know what I mean? So it doesn't really matter if you are a, you're a creature anyway. So they just share a drink and you know, freeze. But I, I do, uh, I do accept a theory that he is probably, uh, one of the creatures Childers and just doesn't let on even at the end. And I think That would, I like That, that would be a cool, But I don't think there's any reason not to think that McCreedy is the thing as well. Like he could have easily have got some of the cells on himself and yeah. And uh, he Could, I think this, this would Definitely have to thing as well. Yeah. This would definitely have had to been at the end. Um, unless maybe the creatures don't care about preserving the other creatures cuz I mean he did destroy it, but then again, Palmer did, uh, make everybody aware that Nova, you know, whatever he was disappearing off. So maybe they don't actually care about the other organism. I think it, it leaves so much that you can sort of try and wrap your head on. And that's what I, I think that's, That's, what's so good to me cuz like I do like things like the in drama strain where it is just takes you through like exactly what would happen, you know, using this like framework. I love that this is like these guys don't fucking know, like they don't like, and we won't know either. And like the, the course of the film is such a short period of time, like in relation to other horror films that take place over like we and whatever. Um, I, I don't know. I love that because it doesn't like, and I almost feel like that's what makes it so timeless is that it like, kind of is so simple even though it's so unique and it's amazingness, cuz it is just like, what if this happened? It would be crazy.<laugh> Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, no, I, I think it's one of like, yeah, carry on. I think it's one of the great like horror endings mainly because you can't really end it any other way. Uh, and that it would be satisfying, you know? Uh McReedy and Charles are the last ones left and you know, they're all gonna die like 10 minutes ago, you know, they kind of suspect could teach other, but then McCreedy says, why don't we just wait here for a little while, see what happens? And it's just a great last line as well, but like all POS all possibilities are on the table. Anything could happen. They both could be the thing. Charles could be the thing or McCreedy could just be the thing, you know? And I, I love the fact that you just don't know and the film ends there plus there's like not a lot, not enough story to make a sequel or anything and have endless sequels. Um, it's just one of the perfect endings in horror for me. Um, And even if they're both human they're dead. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean the only happy ending there is that the thing is not gonna be able to get, you know, out to the rest of the world, but our heroes are dead. So, um, for sure that's not, you know, up for debate at all, they're definitely gonna die out there. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so I think it is, as you said, it's quite self-contained, it's like it's all happening in this remote. So it doesn't really, I suppose matter what the conclusion is, but it does have this, you know, because as you said, you don't really, it doesn't really need a warrant, a sequel. It is a self-contained story somewhere in the Arctic and where, whatever the conclusion it settle, but just the specifics of the ending you could debate, you know, like yeah. Uh, it, yeah, yeah. Who, who exactly is still the creature or is there, did they finish off the creature? It doesn't really matter, but it's still quite an interesting thing. You can talk, you know, debate with people, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's pretty good. And I feel like the energy too, it's it, it, it, it a lot has happened in the movie and we, the viewer, I mean, we've like sat through like almost two hours. And I, I feel like, like the, it's not that you're exhausted, but like, I'm glad that it isn't this like dun, dun dun, like, you know, kind of like spooky, mysterious, like Woohoo, could it be it's like, it is just like, yeah, yeah. You know, Cause they say Like, y'all have said like, this is the end, you know, cause 10 minutes, I feel like it has like a nice energy to it. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. 10 minutes before the end McCreedy says like, oh yeah, we're not getting out of this. We're all gonna die.<laugh> yeah. That's 10 minutes before the end, you know? And it's like, oh, okay. Uh, so yeah, I guess certainly in those last 10, 15 minutes, when McCreedy says that, it's kind of just like, wow, you know, the stakes are that high, that they all know that they're not gonna survive. Uh, you know, and just really giving their lives to make sure that this thing does not get out, you know, into that amazing little spaceship<affirmative> at the end.<laugh> um, I guess saying that for me, I don't know. Does, does it lose a little bit of momentum to you guys, those LA when he says that all we're gonna die? Because, Uh, no, I, I, I McReedy in that moment is not the thing, uh, because of the blood testing scene, obviously. Yeah. Um, So I, I think, yeah, there's only like one area where I, I would say like, McCreedy is kind of up for suspicion, I suppose you could say right at the end, cuz you're not really sure where the hell he came from out there, but you know, this is just a, a spit balling, but you know where they're doing the tests or before they're doing the tests and uh, you know, they're gonna burn him alive and he is gonna blow him up and stuff. Um, but yeah, I mean, from where he's like, you know, we've got a plan we're gonna destroy this thing. Yeah. He's definitely not the creature. And in fact, I, I would say he's meant to be the, the avatar for the audience. It's like, this is the guy you following now. And you know, he, yeah. The protagonist he's creature. Yeah. He's the protagonist. Um, so I think you need some sort of focal point. So, uh, you know, I dunno. Yeah. Um, I guess another little negative, I would say possibly is, is the fact that Noles doesn't really get a death scene. He just walks into the, in one direction, in like a tracking shot facing him. Oh Yeah. Yeah. And That's it <laugh> yeah, that was a shame. Uh, yeah, that was a, it feels like even maybe the, you had budgetary constraints there or they kind of, there was a scene left on the cutting room floor. Um, Yeah. I Feel, I feel There does this brilliant, like yeah, but bla Blair does this, uh, he brilliantly drags Gary in this like skin sock in his, from his head, which was quite creative. Um, and I, I like that because he, Blair is the most advanced of these creatures we've seen. And I felt like that was so, um, just slick, you know? Yeah. Intellectual, you don't need to like, you know, go all crazy, just like, just grab you yeah. Cover his mouth, literally stop him from breath thing. And it seems like quite efficient, so Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. And also that was a, that was a really crazy effect. It did look like his fingers were underneath the skin. I was like, how the fuck did they do that? Um, <laugh> Yeah, that was so cool. Very, I was thinking like one thing I, I really liked also, what was it, the reveal at the end where it comes out of the bloody floor and it's absolutely enormous and stuff. Yeah. And I thought, I thought that was cool. Yeah. I would, I would say I was slightly disappointed that it died so quickly. You know? I know that sounds like the silliest nitpick, but yeah. But it just threw a grenade stick and it died. You're like, man, it looks, yeah. It looks crazy. Impressive. Why isn't it? Like, I don't know. Yeah.<laugh> throw him around a bit or something. I'd make him work for it, but you know, You know, he didn't have time to make legs, obviously, you know, I think it was just like the, That big, it got stuck. Yeah. I think maybe they just ran out of, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if they just ran outta money legs, Like ran outta legs, ran outta Legs. Yeah. That's what it feels like. Yeah. Do we wanna jump to the questions? Uh, do we wanna raid it? Can I mention one more scene only? Yeah. Like I just wanna applaud that dog actor in the beginning. Yeah. That scene where that dog enters that room. Yeah. With all the other ones, like how'd they get that dog to feel different from the other dogs. Like <laugh> I just, and how, how it just lays down and it just stares at the wall just walks in Great dog Acting. It was perfect. Yeah. Um, so there is a sort of talking heads documentary on YouTube. Um, it's about two hours and I'm gonna watch it today. Carpenter talking about it and carpenter fricking loved this dog. Really it's half was half Wolf and half Mau, I think. Wow. And Richard maser, the dog handler guy became really attached to this dog whose name was Jed, but carpenter just said, yeah, they did that shot it. They, they got that shot in like four or five takes. That's it? The dogs after a while wasn't looking at the camera and mm-hmm, you know, was just a perfect actor. So amazing. Well, yeah. All actors kind of need to get used to not, You know, acting, Imagining the camera there. So, you know, <laugh> great stuff by that dog, I think. Yeah. But I love that whole sequence, like when the dog goes underneath the table and yes, the whole, the whole thing And just The dog is awesome. And I think just the way he just stares at a lot of the actors, it's very creepy. It is pretty and like just the, The carnage. Yeah. And, and I like to think that the whole carnage starts because the dog has seen his brother and or sister lying on a slab burnt alive. And he is like, you Passed it. Yeah. You know, just staring at his brother brothers corpse, what did they do to you?<laugh> you know, and that's why he just kills, kill them all try to kill 'em all, you know? So yeah. Also the one thing I say, but the practical effect of the, uh, the, the animatronic dog face feeling open, like a goddamn planet, It's horrible. Jesus Christ. And there's just a moment where the head is just also like just kind of rolling back and forth. It's wet, but it really like sometimes I think some things can just somehow get dogs, like where I feel like there's a lot of, I've seen a lot of bad wear wolves. Um, I've been burned a lot of times, uh, by movies and wear wolves, but like that dog looked good. That was a good looking in Medtronic dog. Yeah. That was a hell of a good, yeah. It was really, it was really, really very Scary. I love like the random, random, like eyeballs in the, in that monster design as well. One Of them that opens and I feel like it just, that's the one that made windows or whoever just kind of like freeze in Place. Like <laugh> like burn it. What the fuck am I looking at? Um, How would we rate this? We usually find a metric that's particular to the movie. Um, and then we rate it, you know, zero X five. Um, does anyone have an idea of the metric that Eyeball used here? Well, at a five Thingies thingies? Uh, yes. So what do you think Mac Four thingies Four, Four and a half thingies. How dare you? He's gonna four and Half get smack. Okay.<laugh> Um, let's go around the horn, but I wanna come back to you, Matt.<laugh> So you can change your answer. What do you think, Martin? Uh, yeah, I gotta go five thingys, to be honest, cuz <laugh>, It's just, as I said, it's like one of the great horror endings for me. Um, yes. I mentioned a few negatives, but I think they're very minor ones for me. And just, just the fact that the creature design is so brilliant and this whole sense of paranoia building and building and building is just quite tremendous. And obviously when I watch this as a kid, a small child for the first time, it seriously freaking out. Did you suspect having the, that, that you were watching a film with, you were just like your motherfucker? I was like, Yeah, where's my dad's flame from <laugh> I got blow torch. Having said that Everybody Having said that, I wouldn't say this is John carpenter's best film bars probably hate me for saying this, but I still think John carpenter's best film is Halloween. Ah, no. Ah, I think that's modern mouthpiece. Yeah. Yeah. Cause we had, we had a big disagree there. I think that was the, that was one of our big, I did not like that film. And you were shocked. You were absolutely shocked. Crazy fool. Yeah. You were like, are you outta your bone? Crazy fool? No, I don't like it. You know? But anyway, We're on a horror podcast, man. What are you talking about? I know I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get killed by every, every fantasy creature You gave it like 6.5 for directing. I'm like, are you mad? I Would've done it lower if you hadn't. Yeah, no, I just, I didn't like it. You know, I'm not really, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna defend myself. I Dunno. On, uh, on Halloween. Well, I would give it 5.5. What about you guys? Oh, 5.5 out five. Wow. That's going, can I give it like 12 out of five? Yeah.<laugh> We're Just breaking the rules of mathematics here. Yeah, let's do that. Sure. I have no problem with that. Yeah, no, I'd give it a 5.5. I'd give it top marks. I thought it was great still. Yeah, still Very. Is that just despite my 4.5? No, I wanna know like why Explain yourself? She's got very high Standards. Why you're taking this time off Mac. You press me on this all the time. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. I'm happy to say like I truly, I have, if I give something five stars, it has to be like, I would not change a single thing about this, but I just feel like there's a part in where're kind of like setting everything up and, and everything. It just drags on a little bit too long. Like I think this film could have been an hour and 30 minutes is what I'm saying. If they let me edit it, I could make it a five star film.<laugh> Trim Off the fat and it'll be five stars to me. Okay. But I think you kind of, for me, you kind of need that really to like build this paranoia cuz I find, I quite, I love a slow burn in movies and this is a great slow burn mm-hmm <affirmative> and I think you just need that slow pace in the beginning to just build this atmosphere. Yeah. And then, you know, the carnage just goes crazy. Yeah. I, Whatever it was, it could not cuz I like a slow burn too, but something has to be like, like, and I, I just felt myself kind of be like Hmm. For like a little bit. Okay. And it can't be five stars if I feel that way.<laugh> I guess very strict. Yeah. Cause I guess I was thinking actually rewatching this cuz a lot of films I get pissed off with is what I like to call too many character syndrome. And um, I definitely found that when I watched Promeus, especially when they had, oh God crew 19, 19, what <laugh>, you know, its like, yeah, don't really get a chance to First 11, better die in the first Just catch phrases. I can't remember all these go down there. Yeah.<laugh> Whereas whereas like the first alien film is like five of them, that's it? You know? And I'm trying to say is I think this film does actually have quite a lot of characters, but because of the, you know, the plot device that this has of this paranoia of like, well he could be the thing, he could be the, the thing, he could be the thing. So you are constantly like looking at everyone of like of like, oh it could be that this person, this character. So I think it's just in terms of like plot develop, uh, character development, you kind of give that a little bit of a pass in, in one way, because you're so paranoid and just like, oh shit, it could be, well, I mean cuz when the dogs weren't running around, a lot of the characters are, are doing things that you would associate with the character like the, that guys, uh, you know, the younger blacker guy, he's being all very hip hoppy and what have you and you know, roller and just, yeah, he's being cool. So you're like, I'm getting a feel of, of him. You've got the radio tower guy he's being incredibly geeky and stuff and you're getting a feel of him, the scientist guy. I love that one scene. So you know, maybe you do need some, Well when the guy's like, Hey, can you turn it down? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And he turns it. He is like, okay. And he just goes over to love him. Yeah. He was gonna, But the guy who got shot there was this one little quibble I had, he he's fine. He's like, Yeah. They were like, I just grazed you. Yeah. And homie got shot in the thigh. Like I, but he's moving around. Like it's, it's nothing. So Know like, but also can I say a 4.5 is not a bad score?<laugh> like, I, I, I grade things very poorly like, and it's just NA a movie gets five points. Like's still a very good score. Yeah. I love this movie. I'd watch it a mil. I'm gonna watch it again. Yeah. Not good enough everybody Kack. Cause I mean on our pod, on our pod, I don't, I think we've given a score of 10 in a, of any of the characters categories like once, so yeah. Yeah. We, I just, I, I, I don't really kind of like doing tens outta 10 because you know, there's, there's probably a film I've seen that better or there is going to be a film that I've seen that it's better. So it's like, I don't wanna cap myself off. So, you know, I'll just be like, I'll get pretty down high, but you know, not, not, not quite there so, Well what have we learned from the thing Don't trust anybody, Don't go to the Antarctic. Don't come to the Antarctic with me or you're all gonna die drop of a Hat. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I, That is what I took away from. Just go Camping with Bo ass. So with Bo ass, Yeah. Pop in, straight off, straight off the bat, pop bow, Anything suspicious? Yeah. I'm killing that guy. Um, if somebody says actually I'm okay now let me in. Don't let them in. Yeah, I got hot dogs. Yeah. I didn't really register just how cuz like I had the feeling of like, I wouldn't let that guy in, but I didn't really think about how suspicious that Actually do. You know, like if you watch it in retrospect, a lot of what he says is like really kind of weird the scenes where they have him in the cuz. You're not really sure what he is up to or when he gets turned. But even when he says like, have you seen, um, uh, like one of the guy eyes, you know, cuz they can't find him and he's like, it's not him. And you're like, what do you mean? It's not? Do you know what I mean? And me that kinda on another rewatch I'm like, is he throwing him off? Does he know it's him? Does? What the hell is he doing here? You know mm-hmm <affirmative> so, um, I think that's kinda interesting, But he also says to, is it to watch Clark? Yeah. Watch the dog. I Watch somebody. I think he was watch Because the, the dark guy is suspicious of Him. Yeah. I think was it, um, did he say watch Gary or something the, the, the guy with the gun or something, cuz he's very suspicious of him. And you remember even he's like, I know it's you and as testing the Petri dish, I think that was to throw him off. But yeah, there's so much you can get from, from the, the paranoia in this film. It's it's really, yeah. Really pretty good. Right? Yeah. I think it's so great. This is sort of not really on topic, but this was a story written in the 1930s and I just think it's so innovative. The idea that this life form could imitate anything it's ever seen. Um, you know, in any galaxy or wherever it's been. Um, it's just such a cool idea. And um, I think they filmed it really great. I mean, so I get it, you know, from a visual standpoint that this thing has like the capacity to imitate other life. Great concepts. Yeah, really great. That's kind of why it was kind of a bit goofy in the fifties version. Think from another world I'm like, well you just look like Frankenstein. Do <laugh>. Yeah. That's it. They kill him like really easily in the fifties. One where they just electrocute like halfway, have you seen that one? I'm Not, I gotta watch it. Cause I am aware. It's pretty cool. I am aware they did a version in the fifties and uh, and that he was just like a regular kind of alien or just a big alien. Yeah. And I I'm, I think, I think going back to your beloved Halloween bars, but they <laugh>, they, I think you Film in Halloween, uh, thing from another world is on TV. When the yeah, yeah. I remember When the kids are watching that film. Yeah. Yeah. So he is always, so It's kind of cool that he kind of remakes it later. Yeah. That Is pretty, I find that really cool.<laugh> Uh, is there anyone who would qualify for the U fool award in this Film? Oh, U fool. Well like somebody does something so stupid. Um, yeah. I actually say like, I think McCree's plan to when they bring that alien, the second alien to there to autopsy it, I mean, that's a problem because now you had two fucking aliens running around, you know? So that was a, that was a, that was a really stupid move. But obviously you didn't know, it was not like this weird corpse is some, you know, into gala galactic shape shifter. But it, it was a bad plan in retrospect. And it did cost cause people to die. Yeah. I Thought that too, actually, I was like, It's like you bring in this, you've already got one alien running around now you've got another goddamn alien, you know, that was stupid. You know, If I was them, I would be like Do research, man. This is like, like, I don't know.<laugh> I'll just be like, this is weird. Don't The hell out. Kill it. Yeah. Let's getting the hell outta I don't. Yeah. Like I don't wanna know actually Ignorance is bliss. Just leave. Yeah. I would say possibly the alien itself. Um, because when, when he tries to imitate Bennings well like, well finish the fingers. Like come on.<laugh> Don't don't run before you haven't finished. He Was busy. You would do the fingers first actually. Do you know what? He should have done the, he should have left One. Who's gonna look at the rest of the body. Yeah. But Who's gonna look at the feet. He can't Can't puts hand And just leave the legs. Don't know Squid, like appendages. Nobody's gonna notice nobody who looks at people's feet, you know?<laugh> Well Amazing. Look into what it was like. Uh, I guess I'll do this part first. Yeah. Imagine if you were given some, well yeah, you could use, you could He's got the blanket it so he doesn't have to do the legs first<laugh> you know? So you can do the upper half there's no excuse not to do the fingers in my opinion.<laugh> Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Crazy man. What make sense? But I mean, if you know anything about, if you know anything about art fingers are the hardest things to draw. Hands are hands. Yes. Actually Nurturing hands. You've gotta try and construct a hand with your own flesh. You know? Exactly. Cuts. Cut the thing. A break. Oh, break man.<laugh> Well, he could just done. If you could, the blanket all over his body, it's fine. You know, like a crazy weird, just I'm just taking a nap. People you just woke me up, You know? But, but then what say with the other guy, when he comes in and said, I literally saw something, try to eat Bennings and is bettings just gonna be going you're crazy, man. I dunno what the hell I killed it? He said he killed it. Yeah. You'd be like that. Tried To kill me Back on <laugh> that's a classic move. Classic misdirect. Yeah. Yeah. He could have said he was crazy. Yeah's crazy. I dunno. Maybe He's yeah, exactly. All under a blanket. Get it done there. I have a, what are you doing? Wearing that blanket? Bennings take that blanket off. I'm jerking off I'm jerking off. Oh God keeping a hidden. You have to lower the tone, man. I, I guess, I guess they did get a kind of raunchy. Um, there's another thing on YouTube. It's just the commentary. Um, they said they were doing commentary for a laser disc. Isn't that huge? Oh, well that is so that is <laugh> But Kurt Russell and um, John Carpenter were kind of just doing the, you know, the, what do you call that commentary? Yeah. Um, and um, I guess things got a little raunchy. They said couldn't impart what those stories were, but you know, being up there <laugh> It, you know, snowy, BC things did get a little rough, but they said they couldn't, you know, comment On that. Um, all right. That's confirmed. 4s happened on set imagine hundred percent. Yep. Yeah. Well it was an all mill set. So that makes it a, That's why they finish the hands. Uh, last on betting.<laugh> Get those slimy tentacles all over me, but Clintons line. You've got <laugh> David Clinton's line. You've gotta be fucking kidding. Is Kurt Russell's favorite and never feels to make him crack up. It's so Good. Nice Sound editor. Coy moat achieved the dogs cries in the film by rounding up all the neighborhood dogs, placing them in his house and Verly stocking around in a dark trench coat with the collar up while tapping on windows and rattling doors to frighten. That's crazy. Oh my God. That's really harsh. That's your About that? That is pretty. That's pretty. Yeah. I was about to say he the He's the monster. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Do you think neighborhood dogs still kill the legend of that? There's a strange creature that just abducted me. Put me in a house with other dogs. I just following him everywhere. Oh man. Yeah, Just the freezer. Oh man. The neighborhood dogs is like something bad happened. The dogs got the dogs. Don't have to method act. What's going on.<laugh> yeah. That's harsh. That is pretty harsh. Uh, the film was originally banned when it was released in Finland. Why? I mean, do they get a lot of aliens and <laugh> yeah, maybe it's majority of the population, just like this is an offensive stereotype. So They're just all Disgusting. Well, this came out, this came out the same time that um, et the extraterrestrial came out. And I remember at the time it was banned, et was banned Norway because what they thought that the kids were too disrespectful to the mother. Wow. That's really So I dunno, Scandinavian people Are really touchy know they have Their own ethic, I guess. And this is kind of strange, really got black a thousand years. They swinging, acts sees in the middle of people's heads and taking away women doing sure. Now they just get a little touchy. It's like you've said a bad word. That's no, it's unacceptable. You know, it's very strange. I don't know if you guys are into split diopter as much as I am. I notice my word. I notice when they happen. I don't even know what that is. It's my favorite me. Oh, it's it's it's when, um, both things are in the foreground in the background are equally Focus. Okay. Yeah. Um, and we just did, um, Carrie and Brian DEPA love this. Oh, he does effect. So, but there maybe three or four of these in, uh, I noticed with, um, um, they Don't really do that Anymore films. Uh, which piece does it occur? Does it occur with the dog in the shadow, you know, with the person shadow? Yeah, I think so is when the dog comes, in't it? The only one mentioned here is what Mac just said. Um McCreedy and, and Fs. There's just a moment where mare is looking in at Fs and Fs is like, so up close to the camera. McCree's super far away. And I was like, That thing mom told me about <laugh> I'm learning. Um, yeah, I love it. And Eyelight was used to create a gleam in the eyes of all the actors in the blood test scene except Paul. Why? So that's a little clue. Ooh. And um, the dog thing was created by Stan Winston who declined screen credit as he didn't wanna take away from Rob B routine's work. Mr. Winston receives a special, thank you in the closing credits. The but, but there's a whole thing about Rob Butin, um, that we don't have time to go into, but the kid was 22 when he created all these effects. Oh my God. For the Doll. Yeah. And Yeah, for all the effects, he was like the, the, the, the creature creator, whatever. But, um, he was 22 when he did all this. He like this wonder kind who like interned from when he was 14. Um, and he, he, it doesn't work anymore because it's all CGI Damn computer Taking. He went into retirement. Yeah. He went into retirement when he was like, I don't know, maybe in his forties, um, because CGI, you know, became so popular that they don't do practical effects anymore. Do you know what I reckon that the best place for, I should still get hired? I mean, just for that film alone. Oh yeah. I mean, even today, But I think, um, what was it? Cuz I went and seen theater production of, you know, the musical war of the worlds. And they had like lots of shit on stage. Like even the alien tripods were on stage. Oh it was absolutely crazy. And like lasering the audience. It was, it was, it was phenomenal. And um, Oh you okay? Yeah. Yeah. You know, luckily I didn't get shot just the first couple of rows it missed, You know, I was the only one who made it outta life. Um, but you know, I thought with theater work, He's the thing. I I'm the Mar and the things from the other one. But, um, I think, I think it would be great if they, you know, you, I mean, how many times have you seen this kind of, uh, work on the theater on the stage? Cause I mean, it has to be real if it's on the stage, can't do CGI then I don't know why they don't put these guys on there, do a thing, the musical, how crazy would that be?<laugh> you Knows tentacles And oh my God. That would be amazing. Yeah.<laugh> Do you guys wanna hear what letter by had to say about it? Sure, please. So Jamal Bowie, um, is a writer for New York times. Apparently he had two reviews. They're both four and a half stars. Um, first one just says, oh, Hey look, it's the most nightmares thing I have ever seen.<laugh> Then the That's pretty good. More serious. One is where as much as critics dismiss the film as expensive trash, there is an idea here that fear and paranoia can dissolve the bonds of friendship, camaraderie, and citizenship that they can slap us of our ability to work together and paralyze us in the face of crisis. It is an idea which in our age of misinformation, public distrust and pandemic disease lands with heavy force. And then he says, I, uh, New York times take on the that's Pretty good.<laugh> yeah, I like that. Uh, Carsten gave it five stars, a bit of a downer to watch this before embarking on a trip to Antarctica with my voice tomorrow.<laugh> Can't say looking out for dogs. Yeah. Hey, dogs, dogs playing have the dogs. Yeah. That's I'm bigger in my giant hat too. Is that, is that a no go? Yeah. So, uh, again with the half, uh, half star reviews, these are some of my favorites. Lily gave it a half star, not good at all.<laugh> Do you wanna elaborate that Lily? That's it Good, good. No office Lady office and, and not to be sexist. And this is probably, maybe not even accurate, but it seems like women were not the, the biggest fans in general of this movie, but office lady gave it a half star, eh, was not impressed.<laugh> yeah. Um, what the L E L L E gave it a half star. These they Kill She's right. Actually. Um, <laugh> yeah, That's pretty good. I love actually I think Clark wrote that review <laugh> yeah. Yeah. Uh, let's see.<laugh> Francis eery gave it one star alien on ice, except I hated this Fantastic SFX, but I couldn't stomach it also. I detest men. Wow. That's Kinda unrelated. Isn't it? Good. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Really. Apparently not. They all deserve to die anyway. Why They it two stars. This might be my Sausage party Alien. What? Yeah, I know. It's like, okay. Obviously holy is CI gurney weave.<laugh> like there's there's like there are women in alien, but still not like that many <laugh>. Yeah, no, No, That's Pretty crazy. I guess times really have changed. I mean, if you look back on, you know, science fiction movies from the past, they are generally yeah. All men, isn't it. And Like it's, What's their definition of sausage best <laugh> Doesn't that just mean all men. Yeah, it does. Yeah. No, I feel if there's or Lingers, I dunno. Portion of men. Yeah. Yeah. Bendings hands possibly.<laugh> Yeah. Look at this. Yeah. Well, any final, any final thoughts on the thing? This is a great pick. Oh yeah. So I was kind of doing Great pick. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is a great film. I was doing some like, uh, about what the subtext of the film could be about like inspiration and, um, like the book was written like in the 19 late thirties. And so there's one theory that it's to do with like, uh, you know, fear of communists and stuff. And uh, another things that could be like, you know, your neighbor could be a communis or whatever, or your friend could be a communist or, and I, I kind of like that. I think if that's true, that's kind of, that's quite interesting. Um, especially I think you get it's it's a little later, but you know, in like the late forties, early fifties, you get Kar McCarthy and, um, kind of witch hunt for communists and you know, the first film came out in the fifties. Yeah. I think that kind of could track. And then, um, the idea that this one is, is also has a sub subtext about like, uh, sexually transmitted disease. I think that's kinda interesting, you know, that, uh, you know, somebody could have, um, whatever and pass it onto you and you wouldn't know. And, uh, yeah. Yeah. Mm. And I, I feel like it, I like it when things also illustrate, um, the, the people's human need to like, even if they are in no way close to it at all, like the need to put somebody else in front of them as like, well, it's it is this guy. Yeah. If we all look at this guy, then we're not looking at me right now, you know? Um, like that behavior that it breeds. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh, finger Also. I was gonna say Kurt Russell. Yeah. Kurt. Russell's awesome. He's Awesome. He's always awesome. He's amazing. He looks great. Um, good work. Kurt Russell. Oh, one thing I wanted to mention on the commentary track is really funny is Kurt Russell and John Carpenter are clearly chain smoking.<laugh> My know. I just nostalgic. I just Growing out. Yeah, totally Bro. Now I think I would say like, um, this is one of, probably one of the best examples of remakes done incredibly well. Uh, you know, cuz you know, this is certainly a film, it's just a different version from the first one thing from another world, you know, I know probably the, he wasn't there, but like obvious he Spielberg does remakes and like I feel like remakes or I know it's it sounds like a dirty word. When you talk about films of that elk remakes. Yeah. I think if it's got like a, You can still do new versions of old stories, you know, this is just like The Yeah. Yeah. I, I think, I think it's a case of fly. I love the fly, you know, if you've got a good reason or a good like vision for it, cuz again, you couldn't have made the thing, this eighties version, you couldn't have made it in the fifties. It's just not possible. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I think also with the fly, you couldn't really have made Thero, you know, back then it's just not possible. So I think uh, yeah, I mean those version really do tell, even though it's the same story, it tells it completely differently and it just, just uh, the effects are different. There is a kind of reason for it to exist where I think a lot of remakes now don't really make much sense. You're like the previous film was less than 10 years ago. Like the tech, it looks, it looks just as good now as it did then why the hell do you need to make a remake of it? Um, Yeah. It's like if your actors can still be cast as the same age that they played in, like the movie now, like your film's not old, you know, and we don't need it again. I think they do this way too much where it's like, yeah, it's just a few years old. You shouldn't do this. You shouldn't make a, or if it's in a it's I want something a, A different language. It's like, dude, just SubT in a sub time. Mm. You know, why have I gotta see the same film? There's there's gotta be so many ideas and like great things. And it's just like, please just show me anything else.<laugh> yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree on that. Okay. Thank you for joining us for this episode and for all your support. It means the world of horror to us truly thanks to Martin and Boaz from film versus film for joining us next time in the main app it's Mac's pick genre and Mac has chosen animal attack movies. We will be looking at BOAR from Australia and TREMORS from the US. 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