S6 EP10 Michael's Story - Stress Nearly Killed Me!

After 30 years in accounting, Michael Hirshorne hit a period of burnout, financial strain, and personal loss that forced a deep identity reckoning. His story centers on hitting rock bottom, to the point he was hospitalized with stress. And so began the reconstruction of his life purpose from scratch. it’s a strong personal transformation and a story of hope for all of us! 

Site: www.heaveniswithin.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Welcome to another episode of Well, That Fucked Me Up. I am your host, Luke Colson. And today I'm joined by Michael Hershawn. Hi, Michael.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

How are you doing there, Luke?

SPEAKER_03 1:43

I'm great. Where are you in the world?

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Where am I? I'm actually in Maryland, in uh the Baltimore area.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

I um and the and us English people think we say you're supposed to say Maryland.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

So Maryland, yes, it is Mary.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Maryland, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Maryl Maryland, yes, we say Maryland. It can be Mary at times.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

I mean it's yeah, uh I guess it depends on uh you know the well thank you so much for coming on and and chatting to us on the show today. Um every week we have a guest who comes on and we talk about surviving life-changing events and experiences, and that can be anything from the past to recently to your whole life, to a one-off event, to a series of situations, to experiences, emotional, physical, um, and really we like to conver converse converse about the journey, how we got through and life's twists and turns. So Michael, with and by the way, um books, businesses, websites, and all sorts of fun things like that along the way, we can we can plug, we can talk about them, or we can reserve a little space at the end as well, just to to talk about anything that our viewers can um that our listeners where they can find you and and links and stuff. I'll have all of those on the show on the show notes. So Michael, where where should we begin?

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Well, um we we actually in my opinion, I think we should begin at the beginning where you you mentioned your show is about um things that messed you up. I'll I'll try to be uh you know that's fine. Use the right French. Yes. Um messed you up. Uh there was one particular event. Um, well, there were actually a series, as you mentioned. There was a series of events that but one in particular was uh uh it occurred actually in uh December of 2018. So I had put in my 30th year as an accountant uh at a telecommunications company, and my wife pretty much from year 23 on kept pushing me and saying, you know, this is not your passion. I can see that. Um you're slowly dying at this job, and I think uh you really need to start looking around. And I did, in fact, look for a period of time at various things and then went back to the old adage, but I'm not familiar with them. Yeah. And this lends itself to credibility, it lends itself to uniform work. Um, it's it was black and white, and my mind thought in a very black and white kind of uh logical path.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

I wouldn't I would uh sorry to interrupt, but I would say after doing that same job all in the same field for 30 years, and what what that job was, I sort of can understand why your brain operated in a kind of a y black and white manner. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Exactly. But I mean, think about the field accounting. I mean, it is black and white, it's not it's it's a very logical assets have to equal liability plus owner equity. The equation has to equal, it has to tie out. Yeah, so I was used to that uh modality and that line of thinking. But the the the the bottom line is deep down inside, somewhere in there, I knew that I had a passion for much more. Uh, and I started getting curious about um life in general, and I started reading a lot. Um, what drew me to the flame, so to speak, was metaphysics. In particular, um how metaphysics kind of merges sometimes with quantum mechanics. And it was it was getting very strange. I would be getting signs um with which books to read. I'd be getting license plates, like numbers would flash at me uh repetitively 55, 777, all these things. And so I started looking into uh numerology, what this meant, what that meant, and getting into the uh metaphysical kind of genre with books like Dying to Be Me, um Conversations with God, Anything by Wayne Dyer, Bruce Lipton, those type of guys who um some of your uh listeners may be familiar with, others not. But with all of the reading and research that I did, I kind of honed in on, as I just said, metaphysics merging with quantum mechanics. So the meta beyond physical merging with quantum mechanics, because a lot of people are asking, well, how you know that they talk about spirituality or they talk about religion and they say, but it but it's it's diametrically opposed to to science. Science can't explain that, or if science can explain it, why hasn't it done so? So, you know, uh that led me to more and more research and more and more reviewing, and then all of a sudden AI pops up, and I start asking all kinds of questions with AI. Yeah, isn't it? And ironically, it's wild. And it was I was arguing, I found myself arguing with artificial intelligence and winning. And and so, and and the thing was like, okay, this is really wacky, but it but it's working. Um bottom line is this my life started taking a major change. This is previous to AI, of course. This was years and years ago. At the event that that kind of was the impetus for the very, very uh active change in my life was that 2018 where I everything kind of fell apart. I walked away from this job, literally walked away, with nothing, with no with no benefits to speak of, no money. My wife was out of work at the time. I was out of work, and I walked away because that's how bad it was. It really messed me up physically, mentally, spiritually. I was a broken man. Um, I wasn't used to feeling that way. I couldn't get any sleep, literally. I was barely eating, and I had to take some time to recover and recuperate. And the first place I could think of was the hospital. It really it put me in the hospital. And um why did you walk away from the job? Because I was dying, literally. I had piles of paper all over my office. I could not handle the pressure. Yeah, I was buried in debt. And and we we um the management, the company itself, which uh I won't mention any names, but the company itself went through, I believe, five management changes. So five different companies kind of took over and started, you know, going through the books and doing various things. So my office was right next to the Comptroller's office. And I would hear them, her speak, barking into the phone, if they can't keep up with this and and get a uh promotion every two years, you know, too bad for them, then they should just move on. You know, well, I've got a life, I've got kids. I at the time I had I had a life outside of work. She I don't believe had any children, she had some dogs, and if she wants to work 15 hours a day, that's fine. But here's the here's the real kicker. I started at that company in 1988 when Ronald Reagan was still president. All right. Uh um, so so that that's this is the thing. When I started, I had not even two accounting courses under my belt. And they made me a staff accountant after about five years because they taught me on the job and they spoon fed me. So as things got worse and worse, I was starting to get more and more uh stressed out, yeah, thinking I'm hearing all this stuff, I can't handle this workload because I it it's it's just not it's not tolerable. Yeah, people were quitting, they were shoving work down my throat because they weren't replacing these people. And it was it was when I tell you beyond stressful, I mean I mean like ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

It's uh it's like if you haven't been in at that kind of a job or you've never experienced that kind of pressure at work, relentless, ongoing pressure at work. It's hard to it's hard to be able to imagine, but I've been there. And yeah, when you are overwhelmed, it's like it's like being in hell. You can't you can't see a way out.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

It wasn't like being in hell, it was it was hell. Yeah, I couldn't breathe. Like I I would I would lie in bed at night and my wife was ready to punch me in the face because she couldn't get a an ounce of sleep because I was having trouble breathing. Yeah, I could not breathe.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

That's the stress I was under. Jesus, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

So that that that was the I'm so sorry you went through that.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

Sucks. Also, companies shouldn't run their employees into the ground like that, should they? Really?

SPEAKER_00 10:52

I mean, of course not, but but uh the bottom line is what you know we they they're in the business to make money, and you know, the the this management decide this management outfit decided they don't need or owe any they don't need they don't owe anything to their employees as far as you know mental health and this and that. They're in it to win, they're in it to make money, and if you can't hack it, leave. Yeah, of course. We we owe you nothing.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

So you walked out and then you found yourself in hospital.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Yeah. Uh uh for and it took uh a long period of time to get back on track. Um I was just reeling from all this stress. Uh I met a recruiter um in my synagogue. Well, my wife actually found work and um in Baltimore. So we moved. We had 16 years living in um Urbana, and we moved from that area of Maryland to Baltimore because she found work. Thankfully, she found work in Baltimore. And and we went from that point on, it was a fresh start. Um, we started renting as opposed to selling. I had to I had to sell my house as a short sale. It was it was just horrible. Um and we we found we did find our place. I found, as I said, I found a recruiter at my synagogue, and that recruiter introduced me to Sinai Hospital. And I basically asked her, What am I going to do? I I have no experience in healthcare. Uh well, what does it matter what you're gonna do? Push patients around. It's just get your foot in the door and you and you can go from there. It beats not working. And I said, Okay, that's logical. I had a logical mind, so I assessed the situation and said, You're right. And I I went to work there, um, pushing patients around, got a couple hernias from pushing bariatric patients that were 500 pounds plus. My surgeon kind of joked around with me and said, What are you doing? You have a college degree, you have 30 years of experience in accounting. What are you doing? I said, What I have to do. Yeah, and he and he felt bad for me and and kind of said, Let me see what I can do. One thing led to another. I get a call from uh from uh one of the nurses, and uh uh one thing leads to another, and she and they say, you know, I need help in uh gastroenterology with I said, with what administrative stuff, taking stuff to the lab, printing out schedules for the surgeons, posting schedules, going into CERN or software system, and whatever. You'll learn it. I said, hmm, sounds good, beat's not working. So so that's where I'm at today. But it took a you know a a while to kind of come back from that. And to this day, to this day, my old boss will not talk to me.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Of course. I'm not surprised because probably your old boss doesn't want to admit that she had any effect on you at all or it wasn't her fault.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

He is he that's crazy. So it could be from guilt, but the but the bottom line is you know, as an accountant, I don't know if you can appreciate month end, but month end is very difficult. I didn't walk out on month end, I walked out on month end and year end. Wow. Year end of the you know, year end of this fiscal fiscal year is is is the same thing as uh calendar year. Closing everything out, closing everything out. And so it closed me out. It closed me out. Yeah, and that that situation was probably the key turning point of everything because I like to tell people, the people that I talk to, you know, the uh various people that I meet in the hospital, um, because I do a little life coaching and s uh on the side, I like to tell them that um sometimes when you get a message from the universe, you get like a little tap, you know, you get a little tap on the wrist and you ignore it, right? You ignore the tap. So then you get a little a little shake, a little shimmy, maybe, and you tend to ignore that. So what do you think happens if you ignore the tap and the shake?

SPEAKER_03 14:51

I would imagine you get like a punch in the face.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Exactly. Exactly. You get a punch in the face. Now, do you get knocked down? Yes, but do you get knocked out? Now that's the question that everybody has to ask themselves. I did get punched in the face. I went down for the count, but I came up before 10. Yeah. And and here I am um with a fresh start. And I gotta tell you, Luke, I love the fact, love the fact that I can go in, I can start work at 6 30. I'm helping people on a daily basis, both physically, spiritually, and mentally, which I did not get. And I'm home by three o'clock to do my thing.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

To do what I'm passionate about.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

You know, I tell people.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

That sounds like freedom right there, especially compared to how it used to be.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Freedom, I tell people that if you're in a situation that you might be able to get, say, five to ten minutes, five to ten minutes of doing what you love to do versus what you have to do, do that. Do that for five minutes, do it for ten, do it for two if you can.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

And do what you have to do if you can if you can tolerate it and stand it. Do what you have to do. If you have to shovel doo doo, do that. But do something, but but don't die with the music still playing in your head. Yeah. And don't die physically from the stress.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Well, that's the thing I was gonna ask, what do you think would have happened if you stayed there? Because I've well I've had a couple of guests on before. One guy had just had a straight up had a stroke, you know. Yeah, the stress just like his brain malfunctioned and his whole life changed in an instant. Another guy was was suicidal, you know?

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Sure. I was. I was absolutely I was. What what could have happened, what would have happened, without a doubt, 100%, is I would have died. It would either have been of stroke or a heart attack, or possibly both. Um, I I that the kind of stress I would not wish that on my worst enemy. That kind of stress. That kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

Did it ever go through your mind that like there was a lawsuit or a case against the people you worked for, it just wasn't worth it in your eyes. That's easy just to walk away.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

No, it was just easier just to walk away because it was my choice. I could have stayed. They actually asked me to come back. Once I recuperated and recovered a little bit, they asked me to come back. They said we can start you slower and this and that. I'm like, are you are crazy? It's like there's no way I'm going back there. And um I just I just did not, I had to just really walk away from it, literally walk away from it. Now I know I'm not advocating this, Luke, for everybody. For every listener, I'm not necessarily advocating, well, if you can't hack it, just walk away. Yeah, sure. That happened to be with my particular circumstance, it was unlike many people. Okay. And it was what I had to do to stay alive. To stay alive. It's what yeah, that's wild. I understand. Yeah. I mean, I went into this altered state. It was an altered state of mind. I was hallucinating, literally.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Um, I I I I thought I was dead. Like when in the hospital, it it it kind of was like this eerie kind of haze in my conscious level. It felt like I was literally on the other side.

SPEAKER_03 18:16

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

And I asked, I remember asking the nurse, Am I dead? I asked the nurse this.

SPEAKER_03 18:21

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

And then yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

That's incredible. So the recovery was slow and steady, and then you started to realize that there was life on the other side. And absolutely you had still had an opportunity to s to do the things that you loved to do. And so you you also sound like you made time for yourself in your day. So what as your kind of enlightenment and your like rebirth began, what did you and by the way, this resonates with me because I had a massive problem with drink and drugs, which nearly killed me, and uh everything, I lost everything. And that was seven years ago. And once I similarly to you, once I got myself to the hospital, gone through detox, figured out how to stay sober, which was hard, harder than I could even have ever imagined, and then get my life on track and figure it out. That's when that was my punch in the face. Uh I suddenly it just opened so many doors in my physically and mentally, and my my the expansion that I've experienced over the last seven years, slowly, but now more so it's like uh it's there's a rebirth there, isn't there? Because you're like, oh fucking hell, I've been like this for the you know, in your case 30 years, and this in my case in the wilderness for 30 years, and then you're like, Oh well, this is my I've got brain space now. My brain was my brain was yours was counting, mine was taken up with where I'm getting my next fix from, you know. It's the same fucking thing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

And now I'm like, let's let's go, you know? Right. Yeah, you you you it's almost like you like you said, a rebirth. Yeah, and to me that's what it was. But one thing I I hadn't made clear and did not make clear was this prior to this event, there was another event which forecast in total the event that occurred in December of 2018, which was Christmas Eve. That's when I left the company. Now, this is very strange, maybe, but it's the bottom line is this. I believe there is a there is a force beyond what we can possibly perceive that is regulating everything. Now, some people might call it God, some people might call it the universe, some people call it whatever Buddha, Allah. It doesn't really matter what you call it. The bottom line is there's something bigger than you, and everybody put together.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

All right. So, so you know, I was driving back from New Jersey and I got on the Delaware Memorial Bridge, which is obviously in Delaware, heading towards Maryland from Jersey. And in the in the for in the background, there was this what looked to be a hand of clouds, and it was kind of kind of motioning like this towards me. Um I'm waving my hand. I kind of know your listeners can't see it. But but it was like a hand that was moving towards, it was saying, Come on, come on, let's go. Behind that cloud was lightning, and the lightning wasn't regular lightning, it was supercell lightning, which looked actually green. It had a green, wow, a tinge of green to it. All of a sudden, the sky turns black, black, not gray, black. The hail starts coming, size of golf balls. I'm in my car stuck halfway up the bridge. Halfway up the bridge, I'm stuck. Cars behind me, cars in front of me, I'm not moving. Then the rain started coming so bad that you could not see like two inches in front of you. It was torrential downpour like I've never seen in my life. I I start praying like I've never prayed in my life, and I just basically looked up and said, Please get me through this. I swear I'm gonna change. I I need to get through this just to do what I what I'm put here to do, and I can't do that if I die on this bridge.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

Within minutes, within minutes, like it's it probably lasted about four minutes total, but it felt like about four hours. It stops raining, it stops hailing, and the sun comes out as though nothing happened. Wow. And I asked, I looked up, I thought I was gonna die because the hail was so bad, I thought it was the top roof of my car. I looked up, I looked up and I said, What was that all about? What was that all about? Those were the words. What was that all about? On the other side of the bridge, traffic started moving north. I was going south. The north side traffic, there was a tractor trailer with the words on the side of this tractor trailer, and I kid you not, like this was this was on cue, like it was a movie set. After I asked the question, what was that all about? I see this tractor trailer that says, You have just seen the future of your life. What? You have just seen the future of your life. This is I I swear to God, it's in my book. It's like the Truman show. This is in the book, taking a chance on life. Life. I wrote all about it. Um, your listeners can see it. Take a chance on life. It's in there. And it's that amongst other stories that are unfricking believable. And they and so this this truck passes by, and I called my wife, and I said, What's going on out there? She's like, What are you talking about? It's fine. I said, Not where I was. She's like, it's perfectly sunny and all this. She had no idea there was a tornado, and she was only about 25 minutes away. Right from that point. Yeah. So I was dumbfounded by that. And from that point forward, it that was about 10 years prior to my, you know, my episode, my downfall in 2018. And things just started going a little bit crazy from that point. Crazy in a good way. I was getting these messages, I was getting these signals. Yeah. I started getting hits. Middle of the night. I'd get up at two o'clock in the morning, start writing down these quotes.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

And I was like, where is this coming from? Yeah. Buddy of mine says, Let's build a website. I know you're getting all this material. I can help you with the technical side. That led to the website Heaven is Within. Heaven is within. And I put that together. I don't even know how I put it together. His wife wanted to kill me because I was with him almost every night. And he was a chemist, this guy. A chemist. So he helped me put this website together. The website evolved. It's still evolving today. But now I have a professional web designer working on it.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

And and that's really kind of it's it's really taken off. It's uh pretty cool site. And it's it's it tells the story of of me going from where I was to where I am today, which is a really unbelievable journey.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

What do you think, like what what do you think the messages and the I mean obviously you're an accountant, so I I I love the like numerology side of it because obviously 30 years of numbers, it's like that movie Beautiful Mind, you know, like right. Oh yeah. And then you remind me of like waking up in the night and writing stuff down. I mean, I dream every night, like I nightmare every night, actually, and I I write notes because they're fucking wack-a-doodle and I've had them for the last 10 years, like every single every single night. I'm sure there's something in there somewhere. But what how what how how do you explain that? How do you explain like messages and numbers coming off of number plates and the thing with the clouds, and like how do you explain those signs?

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Okay, so basically today it's very, very, very easy to explain. And when what you'd use is ChatGBT, you'd use Claude, you'd use one of those AI platforms. Um, back then I just had to do my own research. I would use Google occasionally to for numerology, look looking into numerology, reading books about numerology, and and trying to ask myself, what do these repeating numbers mean? I used one of the sites I used was called Joanne's Angel Numbers, and I kept getting 55, 55, 55, 55. This was like years ago, 55. I'm like, what is 55? And it turns out 55, repeating the repeating numbers, especially 55, 777, 55 means change. You're gonna go through not just change, but drastic change. Drastic change is coming up. Yeah, and then I would get I would get seven seven. Seven seven is reward for all of the work you're putting in. You're gonna get rewarded for it in the end. Don't worry. Then I'd get seven seven seven. Big reward. Okay. Three three three. The um three three three is the uh masters, the masters are with you, they're watching, they're with you, they're they're helping you through this. So each number had a different significance, numerical, like meaning three, five, seven. But when they're repeating, obviously the repetition would mean it's enforced. Yes. It's it's the repetition, it's it's it's actually very uh it's enforced, and you have to look out for that because it's more powerful. So that's where the numbers came in, and I started paying closer and closer attention to those numbers. Um, I still do, but but today, believe it or not, instead of getting just the repetition, lately, probably for the last three months, I've been getting G D1, G D three, G D five. And then I'd get the repeating numbers, 177. And my wife just doesn't believe it. So I'd be like, oh look, honey, there's there's one, G D. There's another one, G D. The next day I'm in the car with her, she doesn't see it. I point it out. Look, G D, G D, G D. So obviously, G D is abbreviated for God. Um, are you going to uh you know, can I prove this? No, no, it's because it's because it's metaphysical. Of course. It's I'm I'm looking for these signs. Yeah, exactly. And if you're looking for something, I'm going to find them. Yeah. And and so that's basically where where it took off. It was those types of signals and signs that I choose not I chose not to ignore. I just simply said, did there's something here, there's something to this.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

I had number 40, number 43 followed me around wherever I went. Um did you look it up? Well, I I'm not sure I ever looked it up because it might have been like before like looking. I don't know. I never it was just everywhere. It would just be scribbled on the on the on the fucking sidewalk in Cray in chalk, and then I'd look up and it would be the house number, and then we moved into house number 43. It when okay, okay. Then well, here we go. So then when I was 43, my father died, and that was when I hit the absolute brink of my uh drink and drug problem.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

And so it was like it was like it all along I was someone it was, you know, that it was written, it was written in the fucking stars. Right exactly right from when I was three at five, five, six, seven years old, forty-three, forty-three, forty-three, forty-three, and then forty-three, bam, and then that was and then forty-four onwards was the beginning of the rest of my life.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Yeah, but though those those numbers were meant for you and you alone. So you got it, quote unquote. You got it because you were meant to get it, not somebody else, but you so that's the difference. And for me, 55 was very significant because I knew that I had to change my life or it would change for me. And that's exactly what it did. It changed for me because that was my higher self speaking with me, my lower self, saying, dude, you gotta get it together, or we're gonna pull it together for you. That's what happened.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

Exactly. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

It just it just basically said you're you're done and you're gonna start all over again. So that's where we got, you know, kind of into into the quagmire. And those those numbers, I gotta tell you, they they keep coming, and I keep doing more and more research, and I'm very thankful for AI the way it's come out on this platform, because I if I have any questions, that's where I go. Um, by the way, you mentioned in dreams you'll have these dreams, and you and you'll write down, you know, that's important. You'll write down what it is that you're dreaming about. If you can possibly remember, and you write it down. I used to do the same thing. I would stick those pieces of paper into a folder, and I kept that folder for 10 years. Wow. And that folder became taking a chance on life.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I high yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

Well, just to Yeah, you you were gonna say you recommend continuing to write them, write them down technically. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah, take write them down, put them in the folder, and and then I I started thinking, how do I get this 365 pages worth of material into a viable book format or manuscript? And something just kind of hit me like, use a ghostwriter. And this this guy with an old-fashioned tape recorder, you know, this is I think in 2007 or 2008. He's still using one of you know those cassette recorders my father used to listen to the tapes of the platform. I love that. So he had a cassette. He comes down from New York and he and he tapes me. He tapes the story on a cassette.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

And I I was like, really? But that's what he used. And he said, he went through this pile and he said, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage. Oh, that's good. And he'd keep that one garbage, garbage, good, good, good, garbage. And it and it and he whittled down 365 pages to 185.

SPEAKER_02 32:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

And and that became the book. And then I hired an editor and I I got it self-published because publishing is a little way more challenging than self-published.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

Yeah, oh god, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

And and uh, and so that became uh a written copy. And and by the way, I finished the book, as I told you, in the hospital. That's that's where I actually finished the book.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Um, ironic, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Um and so it it became a written copy, and from there it went to an ebook, and from there it went to an audio book, and and I started getting all these ideas for videos and and podcast shows and songs. I was starting to record songs too. Like one thing, if you listen to your higher self, and and that's in a capital S, capital S higher self, it will not steer you wrong.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Ever, ever.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Your higher self knows what you're meant to do. So you've got I believe this these competing forces between the ego and the higher self, they're constantly a or constantly. And who are you gonna listen to? Usually if people listen to the ego, and that can kind of it can sometimes work because it's important to have an ego, but in my case, it really didn't work too well. Yeah, when I listened to my higher self, it worked out well every single time.

SPEAKER_03 33:30

It's amazing, isn't it? I try and like I I used to have like a lower self, like a self-sabotage person.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Yeah, I do, of course you do.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

Trying to ruin everything now now. I've kind of tuned into like the the Luke with more value and and self-worth than probably, you know. So just to wrap up, tell us where we can get your book, and um I'll make sure we put the the link on the show notes. But also it sounds like your your website's probably worth a visit as well.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Oh, absolutely. The wet you can actually get the book off of the website. Heaven is within. Heaveniswithin.com. You can actually look. In fact, I would recommend going there first because it has videos of the book summary. It has the summary of the book, and um, so you can see uh, in fact, if you go on the website, you can I'm giving away chapter one. So if you scroll down on the landing page towards the bottom, you'll see chapter one. You just click get chapter one for free, and I'm giving that away. If you like the book after that, you can buy it. Um, I'm looking for people who would love this kind of material as far as metaphysics and quantum mechanics, and if they want to subscribe, great. You know, you give I give away the book, you give me your email address, I'll hit you. I do a um a blog site every like three, four weeks. I'll do a blog article. Very interesting things. Um, as I said, videos. I'm working right now on two more videos, which are going to be dramatic and very powerful. One's called Breath of God, one's called The Dawn of Peace. Once they come out, um yeah, that's that's gonna make a difference. Sweet. Uh so that's that's everything really you can go to the book. If you want to go directly to Amazon, you can get it on Amazon as well. Taking a chance on life, Michael Hirschwan.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

Michael, thank you so much for coming on and chatting to us. It's been a wonderful episode and um very relatable. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

I'm I'm so glad you think so, Luke. I I really appreciate you inviting me on the show. I hope your listeners did enjoy it. I know I enjoyed being here with you. Yes, um, if there's any other questions, you can uh anybody can get me uh on this on the website. There's uh email information on it.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

Um we'll make sure, yeah, we'll make sure that the website sounds like it has everything there. We'll make sure that the link is on the show notes and people can track you down and find you.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Sure. Great being here, Luke. Uh I hope you guys have a great evening or whatever time it is over there. And um actually it's in California, so you're behind me.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

So a mere 3 p.m. over here.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Not in the UK.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

The 90 degree heat wave we're having as well.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

All right, but I that's enough. That's enough. I'm a little I'm I'm jealous as it is. You know, it was 28 this morning.

unknown 36:14

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

I think 90, I think 90 degrees is actually 28, about 28, 29 centigrade Celsius, which is used in the UK. But I'm assuming you mean 28 Fahrenheit, don't you? That's pretty. Exactly. It's Fahrenheit. Yeah. Thanks again, Michael. Brilliant.