S6 EP12: Dale's Story - 12 Months To Live, And I'm Still Here!

Dale Atkinson was Diagnosed with stage IV cancer, and given 11-12 months to live, this date has long since expired! HIs diagnosis was just weeks after finding out his wife had Lung Cancer. Both are very much still here, and Dale comes on the show to tell us how it all transpired, and the measures he is talking to stay alive. Dale has built his own path with evidence, food, and resilience, and he shares that journey, and how nutrition, health hacks, and the science keeps me alive! We love this episode so much! Thank you Dale, here is to you and your family!

LINKS:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dalejatkinson

www.thelifeorganic.com

www.peakhealthandfitness.co.uk

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Welcome to another episode of Well That Fucked Me Up. I am your host, Luke Colson, and today I'm joined by Dale Atkinson. Hi, Dale.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Hi. Good afternoon, Luke. Thank you for having me. Good afternoon. Where are you in the world? So I'm based in Berkshire, just by uh I would say where the Queen lives, but uh she's no longer with us, so just by where the king lives. Very United Kingdom.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Amazing. I'm originally from Ful the Fulham area in London, but I now live in LA. So there we go.

unknown 2:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Just a bit of a change. Slight change. Slight change in the weather on a day-to-day basis.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Hopefully slightly sunnier there than it is here.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Just a little bit, yeah. Yeah. Well, Dale, thanks so much for coming on the show. Um, we have a guest on every week. Um, we'd like to come on uh and talk about surviving life-changing events and experiences. So that can be anything from uh when you were a kid to now to a one-off event to a series of events. It can be physical, it can be mental, it can be emotional, can be diagnosis, can be accidents, can be uh relationships. And and the common thread is is really trauma and and the effects that it's had on us and how it changed our lives, and even more importantly, how we've journeyed through the adversity. So, with that, Dale, where would you like to begin?

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Well, I think I cover pretty much everything on that spectrum at this point in time. So I do a dance.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

I do a dance when my guests are like, oh yeah, no, I I went through something horrendous. I go, Oh yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Well, I'm glad you're all dancing because not many people do when I talk about mine. So uh, I mean, let's start with before anything happened. So I spent nearly 20 years working in finance. I was, you know, board level for multiple companies. By all sorts of measures, life was going pretty well. Um, had two young boys, had a great Dane puppy. We'd not long since bought a house, you know, beautiful big place that we were doing up, as you can still see, it's still in progress at the moment.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Um, and life was fantastic. And then roll on the summer of 2024. And unfortunately, my partner, um, we had a one-year-old little boy at that point in time, he'd, you know, not long since been born. She had a uh a funny turn. Well, in fact, he wasn't even one, he was about nine months, but she had a funny turn during the summer of 2024. Uh, and they thought she'd had a heart attack. So they rushed her off to hospital, and very, very luckily they decided to undertake a uh an X-ray, and on that they found a small cell lung cancer. So fast forward another couple of months. Um, and at the beginning of October 2024, my partner actually went in and had a full lobectomy. So the entire upper right lobe of her lung removed. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Wow. A couple of days later, so shit, there was major surgery, so she was obviously admitted to hospital here in uh in the UK. Uh a couple of days later, she comes home. She's not able to pick up the kids, she's not able to drive, she's on very heavy medication. Of course, it takes a few months to recover from something like that. In the meantime, I had had uh a few issues myself. Right. Um, I'd been having some shooting pains up through my shoulder, I'd been getting a few sort of chest palpitations, etc., and having some gastric issues as well.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Um, and a few days after my missus came home, so she came home on the 5th of October, on the 15th, which also happened to be our youngest little boy's first birthday, I went in to have an endoscopy. Um, so for those of you who don't know, an endoscopy is where you have the camera put down your throat.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Um, normally it's done under an anesthetic. Normally you're knocked out for it. Unfortunately for me, with my partner having just gone through major surgery, she wasn't able to drive. So I drove myself there and had to drive myself back. That's dangerous, isn't it? Because you're all groggy and weird. Well, they they didn't give me the anesthetic, I was local numbing spray spray instead. Oh, that's terrible, which was truly delightful.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

So I've had that, not to rain on your parade here, but I had um battled Crohn's disease for a good decade uh until it we got it into remission. So I have the the double oscopies literally every six months just to check. And in the US, it's great, it's like a spa day. I mean, I I've never had such a great sleep as when I go for my endoscopynoscopy, uh, and I wake up feeling like seriously well rested. But when I had it done in the UK, similarly, they just sprayed my throat with numbing thing, gave me a bit of gas and air, and off we went. And I was so you're sort of watching it, and they were like, Well, this is odd. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Well, what's even odder is what they found on mine. So hopefully, on yours, at least you were just watching a screen and getting to see a few things pass by. Yeah. On mine, they put the camera down and unfortunately they identified a very large calcified lump.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Oh my god. Um gracious me.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Yes. So one of those, because I was conscious for the whole thing, um, the doctor turned around to me at the end of the endoscopy and sort of said, Look, I'm I'm really sorry to be the one to have to tell you, but it's cancer. We can see it's cancer, we know it's cancer. She said, I can't tell you anything more than that. I can't tell you what type or what stage, but I I am almost certain that this is quite an aggressive, nasty cancer.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

And the cat and that would have been in your stomach, cancer stomach cancer? So esophageal. So it was the bottom of my esophagus, the top of my stomach. It was at the esophageal stomach junction, basically.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Oh my god, I'm sorry. Jesus. Yeah, it was uh cool. Nice couple of months for you guys then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Oh, it gets even more fun.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

So yeah, not only did I have to then go back to my youngest little one's first birthday party that evening, um, a few days later, uh, unfortunately on the 27th of October, so 12 days later, my mother then passed. And very ironically, my mother was a uh palliative care nurse for her entire career. So she'd spent, you know, 40 odd years looking after people with late stage cancers and who were dying. Um I'd only unfortunately just gotten to tell her I had cancer. She didn't know what type, she didn't know any staging, etc. Um, and unfortunately, on the morning of the 28th of October, which is our eldest little boy's third birthday, we got the phone call to say that unfortunately she'd passed. Busy, busy October. Yes. Then the 31st of October, as if it hadn't uh you know given enough at that point in time. The 31st of October was when I then went and actually met my oncologist for the first time. And unfortunately, well, I say unfortunately, in in hindsight, not so much, but at that point in time, very unfortunately, they told me it was an incurable, inoperable stage four terminal cancer. Um, they told me that it had metastasized all across my abdomen. So I had a 9.2, nearly 10 centimeter primary tumor, and that was at that point it continued to grow afterwards. I had secondaries attached to my aorta, I had another one on the neck of my pancreas, and I had somewhere around 10 to 12 lymph nodes involved as well. Oh my gosh. Yes, just what you want to hear when you've got your mother's death and your partner just out of uh lung surgery.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

And so it's uh ironically, your partner who had the lung removed because she had lung cancer, she's probably thinking, well, I've kind of got away quite lucky now listening to listening to your to your diagnosis. And when they give you a terminal or an incurable cancer diagnosis, to think did you ask the dreaded question of how long?

SPEAKER_01 9:13

I did, yes. So in my case, they gave me an 11 and a half month prognosis. Um, and that would have been without treatments at all, because at that point I was I was heavily considering declining treatment in favor of uh a quality of life over quantity of life. And with treatment, they gave me a maximum of an additional one and a half to two months. Oh my god. Hence why I was considering declining. Yeah. It was uh at the grand old age of 35, it's not quite what you expect when you've been going to the doctor for at that point, about six or seven years. I'd been going on and off to the doctor with gastric issues, with heartburn, with reflux, etc. Uh, I I was expecting, as they kept telling me, you know, it's nothing to worry about. It's probably a stomach ulcer. At worst, you've got a bacterial infection that's affecting your gut, etc. Don't worry, this is easily solved. And I mean, for context on that, the last time I'd been to the GP properly was in February that year to explain sort of more symptoms, and that was when they escalated it. It took from the February all the way to the October because they didn't think it was urgent at all.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

And the problem is we hear this so often, not just in the UK but in the US as well. And you know, I've had so many guests on the show, and it was like five years of the same symptoms before somebody goes, Oh, maybe we should check for this. And of course, if you checked five years ago and it was cancer, well, the cancer's not going to be in nearly as bad shape as it was by the time they find it. And that must have been ludicrously frustrating for you.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Yeah, very much so. Though to be honest with you, that's not something I have particularly dwelled on in my journey at this point.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

I decided I'm very much a cut and dry person. I decided what had happened had happened. Um, and the best thing I could do was to take the the hand I'd been dealt and try to make the most out of it. So instead of dwelling on what had been the past, I I decided to go a slightly different route to most. And I sort of utilized a lot of the grief I was going through and threw myself heavily into research. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Well, yeah, to pick up on that in a second. What I did just want to ask you was, and by the way, because I'm sure I mean you're still here, so I'm sure we're gonna hear some some interesting developments. I have a friend who came on the podcast who was told she had stage four breast cancer that had metastasized her. Metastasized her. You probably could go a year without treatment. She decided she didn't agree with the doctors, she didn't want to believe what they were telling her. She told her body that it was gonna be fine, and 12 years later she's still going strong, and she couldn't tell you whether she has cancer or not, because she hasn't been checked, and she just did away with the notion, and she doesn't have any symptoms. So it's sort of like good honor. Okay, you know, it's it's absolutely extraordinary. But the question I wanted to ask you was you're very cut and dry with your thinking about this. Thoughts about dying and thoughts about leaving your family and your children, that must have been really heavy.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Yeah, and with my mother's death around that sort of time as well, and having that news later in the week, it was the Monday I found out my mum had died, and then on the Thursday I was meeting the oncologist. Yeah, of course, a lot of this stuff goes through your mind. Thoughts of suicide, of death, of maybe my family would be better off not seeing me suffer, all these sorts of things. They're unfortunately quite inevitable in this. So I was sort of lucky on a lot of that. So I actually used to sit on the board of a very large mental health charity. It's the the parent network to the Samaritans, etc. It's called the Befrienders Network. They cover 200 and something global suicide prevention hotlines. And I'd been sat on the board and I was pretty much the only non-psychologist on the board. Everyone else was in their 60s, had spent their entire career practicing in psychology and all sort of related fields. And I decided during COVID that in order to have a better understanding of what they were talking about and sort of what was going on and how to help people, that I would go off and train in psychology. So I did diplomas in psychology and cognitive behavioral therapy. Luckily for me, I was able to use a lot of the tools I learned through that in order to, I suppose, quell some of those feelings, some of that uh anxiety, some of that uh depressive sort of feelings. I was able to quash some of that and deal with some of it myself, very thankfully, through that training.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

That's worth its weight in gold. I've been going through some anxiety recently about a couple of things, work, bit of work, bit of sort of over, like a lot of pressure on myself, and I suffer from anxiety. So I'm I take medication for anxiety anxiety. I used to have you know quite bad depression. I I'm a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, uh seven years sober now, but that used to be the way that I would think that I was coping. And interestingly, I've been really struggling with just trying to find some techniques to quell some of this anxiety, right? Because once it takes hold, you can you can literally waste your life with anxiety. It you you can absolutely life away, and then you're like, oh well now I'm old and I'm dead and all I've done is worry, you know, and it's so that I'm that's pretty amazing that you had that to fall on. It sounds like it was pretty helpful along the way.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

I would say it wasn't just that though. I I can't really cite it as just being that that helped. What I would also indicate, and especially on the basis of what you've just said, Luke, is that there are some other very strange techniques out there. Things like uh if you have a look into Joe Dispenser, he's very, very good in terms of the meditation side. Yes. A top of that, things like Wim Hof breathing as well, the the oxygen can really help. Yeah, and then the the last on my list in terms of the anxiety side that really, really helped me, was fasting. So I did a lot of longer term, and we're talking up to 10, 15 day long water fasts. Yeah. Because it essentially kicks in the uh not the apoptosis, it kicks in autophagy, which is the body's sort of self-cleaning process where it eats all the bad cells, it cleans up a lot of the bad bacteria in your gut. And because they're now finding, and you'll see this in a lot of the science that's coming out of the moment, there is an axis between your gut and your brain, and a lot of that has twigs into anxiety and depression and all sorts of other things.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

So the fasting can rid you of some of that, and then if you re-feed properly with the right things and using, you know, heavily fermented foods, probiotics, etc., yeah, you can actually use some of those to try and combat some of the anxiety and the depression. And that's also part of what I did.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

We'll get because I want to make sure so we plug where you are now and all the things that you can help us with and other people with towards the end. We'll get back to your story in the chronological way, but just to say I hear you on the gut, right? I mean, especially with what you went through, and especially what I had with Crohn's, and also the damage I did to my body with the amount I was drinking over 20 years is berserk when I think about it. And I appreciate that the things we eat, you are what you eat, right? That's like a famous book or show, or and it's completely true. And you eat badly, your body it doesn't feel good, and then your brain doesn't feel good. And just from what we do and how we behave, from from everything we're intaking, can have a huge change. And I don't think I've done enough of that, if I'm honest with you. So thank you for that. I shall look into that after our uh recording. Glad to have been of some use. Totally very helpful. So tell us where we are at the end of October. Um, you've spoken to your oncologist, you've been given the diagnosis.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Yeah, so they then followed that on with another meeting afterwards. So, because of the way I'd sort of approached a lot of this and the research I'd started to do, there was in another meeting with my oncologist whereby I said to them, Look, I want to do more autoptious chemotherapy. I want to try and find other ways to give myself more quality of life because the chemotherapy they were offering at that point in time was particularly destructive. They told me I was probably going to be bedbound for at least sort of three to six months. They told me it would be everything from my skin would be, you know, flaking off and I'd be in so much pain, it would be difficult to hug my children, etc. And if you've only got 12 months left to live, that's not really what you want to go to.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Well, also, if they're saying that that will likely give you an extra two months on top, it doesn't seem to be worth it, does it?

SPEAKER_01 17:28

No, exactly. So I I sort of at that point in time had resigned to declining it and instead decided to go the route of adjunct therapy. Right. So I began heavily looking into ways to support myself through chemotherapy, was the initial one. It was things to make it more efficus, things to limit the side effects, things to essentially get myself through with the best quality of life possible. And I took these to my oncologist, and my oncologist's reaction straight away, without even thinking about it, was excuse my language, but are you fucking stupid? Yeah. This is just dangerous, this is stupid, you're gonna kill yourself quicker. What the fuck do you think you're doing? Sort of thing. Yeah. And they decided instead to drag me into a two-hour-long meeting with a nutritionist and with all these other people thrown in. And they tried to sit me down and tell me, first of all, to eat lots of sugar was their first recommendation.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

They told me to not do any of the things that I had researched and found evidence for. And at this point in time, I'd gone off and spoken to, you know, Dr. Thomas Seafried. I'd come across uh integrative oncologists globally, I'd spoken to probably 50 plus uh oncologists across the world. I'd come across people like Jane McClelland, who's uh the author of How to Starve Your Cancer, and a bunch of these other people sort of in the peripheries of the cancer and oncology world. Um, and I'd already sort of come up to my own my own conclusion that were other things I could do. So for my oncologist then to turn around and very aggressively say, No, you are not doing this. They actually at one point also threatened to pull my care if I continue doing or focusing on the adjunct therapies. Um, it it it it was difficult.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Do you think do you I mean this isn't the first time I'm hearing this? And do you think that's just something to do with the medical system? Like doctors are doctors and they're trained on this is how you treat this, this is how you treat that. So when someone is telling you that what medicine is saying and what your next steps are, I'm the doctor and this is what I know, and a patient is saying, Well, actually, I'd like to try this, it's sort of it's annoying, but I feel like sometimes it's just like all the doctors know to do. It's like, well, that's uh what that's not what we do with a terminal cancer patient. And I I guess they maybe they think, well, that's that's risky, or we can't do our what we know if you're doing that. But similarly, and again, it's not just my friend who came on, there was another um cancer survivor who did exactly the same thing. It's like I am opting out of what you're telling me. Thank you very much. I won't be doing any follow-ups, and went off on his own journey. And again, same some something like 15 years later, still going, still going strong.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

So I should highlight at that point that I didn't go off piste. What I did was push back in terms of the initial chemotherapy, but I ended up accepting chemotherapy and immunotherapy just with my own protocol built atop and behind that. Wow. So essentially what I did was realize that my doctor wasn't going to listen to me. They were, as far as they were convinced, it was I'd been on Google and I'd kind of found something on a Facebook group and I wanted to fill myself with horse medications and all these kinds of things that you see on these groups. Yeah. And instead, I went away and I did what's called next generation sequencing. So I very quickly realized that with my background in finance, and my background wasn't just finance, I was in compliance. So my job was to look at regulations, to look at you know, legal wording, and to find try and find ways for big companies. So I went for HSBC and Deutsche Bank and Wellington Management, et cetera, to find ways to keep them on the right side of the law and to prevent things like money laundering and fraud, et cetera, from occurring within the bank or the financial institution. So my job was heavily ensconced in uh basically research and pulling together things that are written in very difficult language. So I went off and used my skill set to look at all these medical papers to pull together bits of information. And within that, I came across uh a few doctors who were pushing something called next generation sequencing.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

And I thought, well, this little thing in the corner, you know, nobody's really talking about it. I've not heard anybody else mention it ever at all. But it sounds really interesting. And I found a company, well, I found lots of companies, but I found one here in the UK, which is also linked to a gent in the uh the US called Travis Christofferson, who's quite a famous person in the cancer world as well.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Uh, and they were called Astron Health. And Astron Health essentially do they map your entire genome of your cancer? They get hold of a piece of your biopsy and they take some liquid biopsy piece of blood, and they will map out the exact pathways that your cancer is using to grow and to survive.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

That is wild, by the way. That's yeah, it is that science fiction. Is that what next generation sequencing is? Is that have you just explained what that is? Is that what yeah, as simply as I can science, yeah, fully, but thank you in layman's terms. That is some futuristic sci-fi shit, but also it's like a beautiful mind where essentially there's like math equation for maths, I should say, God, I stand at American then. Jesus, what happened? Uh, maths equation for everything. Right? So it's like literally it's algorithms and and it's well, well, here's here's what we can do, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

That's and that company built even further atop it with exactly that mindset. So they actually took the next generation sequencing, yeah, and then atop that, they also built a generative AI platform, like its own custom GPT sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

That was then able to interpret the results of the next generation sequencing, yeah, looking at any anomalies, looking at any sort of bits and pieces and picking up the pathways and all this kind of stuff, and was then able to layer on a list of not just off label medications, but everything from different chemotherapy types through to immunotherapies that would work, through to you know, supplements, through to every little bit and piece you could think of that they could layer on. They did. And they gave me a list of something like 300 and something drugs that would work for my specific. Cancer in my specific instance. And we then took that, used that to go to an introcutive oncologist who I met a brilliant introgative oncologist called Dr. Harry Haran Kuhn, who is just phenomenal. I've not met anyone like him anywhere in the world before. He's just amazing. And to a naturopath as well. And Dr. Amanda King, who's my naturopath, Harry Kuhn, who's my introcutive oncologist, took the output of this report and they essentially managed to piece together a protocol using my wants in this as well. I should point that out. They didn't just do it on my behalf. We sat down and we decided what my idea in terms of my future was. Yeah. And in my case, it was increasing my quality of life rather than quantity of life. Yes. And we designed a full protocol around that. Um and well, fast forward a little bit longer. Uh I started the protocol in January 2025. Yeah. By March 2025, I had had an X scan and sat down with my oncologist, and she's there looking very confused. Uh, it turns out all of my metastases had disappeared.

unknown 24:36

No.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Every single one of them. Yeah. And my primary tumour had gone from 9.2 centimetres down to around five in the course of three months.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Do you think that and so has your plan changed now? Which knowing the results, you could probably feel that you you can eradicate your cancer altogether.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yes, and I was very firmly on track to do so until late last year. Unfortunately, late last year, and the joys of having toddlers who go to nursery is they pick up every virus going. And suddenly we hit a point last year. Yeah. I think we all are. Anyone with toddlers who will will well identify. Yeah. Uh, we picked up virus after virus. And where my immune system was still a little bit low, unfortunately, it wiped me out completely. And the cancer took that opportunity to regrow and is causing issues again. However, having been through that, and I should point out the next scan after that one, middle of last summer, so last July time, yeah, came back with no tumour at all, no primary tumour. The only thing there was some thickening of the esophageal wall. So, yeah, so I'm now in a position where I feel I can cure my own cancer. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Um what the sorry, excuse my expletives. Uh wow. Like I have a question. Uh, and we need to wrap up quite soon, but I I have a thousand questions, so I'll try and keep it quick. Do you think gener so I work in design and and animation? Obviously, that's a an industry which is being heavily affected by AI from a creative standpoint, what you can do, what you can't do. It's taking like Hollywood, there's you know, some studios are saying you can, some studios are saying you can't, you can't replace people, you can't replace actors, but that's all, you know, God knows what's happening in the future. Do you think generative AI seems like that had quite had or is having quite a large effect on the programming of what you do next? The intuitive.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

I think it it comes out with a lot of things. So I actually ended up, so having had my background, I ended up creating my own custom GPT to look at my protocol to design a diet to do lots of these little bits and pieces. Uh, I'm actually doing a talk at HIMS, which is a big medical conference in Copenhagen in a couple of months on this as well.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Um, I I do think that there is a huge amount of value in using AI for these things. Yeah. However, we do still need that human oversight. Yeah. So I found a lot in my journey that if I had relied solely on this GPT, it would have given me an answer over here where actually I needed an answer here. Yeah. And it would have put together these two bits and a piece of anecdotal evidence, plus a couple of medical papers that maybe weren't as good or or as clear as they needed to be.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Because it's just pulling, it's pulling from what it believes to be facts, but God only knows where those facts are coming from.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Exactly. And unfortunately, it's linked up to Facebook groups and all these things. So in my journey, I ended up creating a segregated uh system that was only run on certain papers that I was directing it to, and it had guardrails in place to stop it imagining things, etc. But still, even then, I had to be very, very careful. So, yes, I do believe that there is a future in that direction, but no, we're not quite there yet. And I wouldn't necessarily suggest anybody who who has this sort of a situation go off and do this themselves. I think there is a lot of bits and pieces you need to be wary of to do this sort of a journey. But I'm hopeful we're getting there very soon, and especially from a clinical standpoint.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

What what does another person if if a a cancer patient is listening to this and they're slightly hopeless and they've been going through chemo and nothing's working, and they're hearing your story, but they're thinking, well, I'm not a maths genius, I don't have access to AI, and I don't really know what whatever it was we were talking about, what's it called? Whatever the process. Next generation sequencing. Thank you, thank you, sir. Thanks for helping me. It seems like people might be dying of cancer when they don't need to. What can they do? Like, how can we we, how can you or us make it accessible for more people? Because it's otherwise, you know what I mean? Like, what how do we how do you I mean you're here on the podcast getting the word out, but can people find you? Can people talk to you? Can is there a place where you have information or you know, websites and things like that?

SPEAKER_01 29:03

I have a few places. So I tend to live on LinkedIn because of background and everything else. LinkedIn tended to be my my first platform. So you can find me on LinkedIn quite easily, Dale J. Atkinson. I'm also on Facebook uh and I have a blog as well called The Life Organic. And you can sess that on Facebook or online. It's thelifeorganic.com. And then the top then, in terms of getting the word out, uh, so I'm also working with a number of other cancer patients, Jane McClelland being one, who's a very famous author in this world. Um, we are at the moment just trying to get our charity through the charities commission in here in the UK with the idea of trying to push the UK government and campaign the UK government for change in the NHS here. And then our second step is going to be bringing that to the United States as well. Incredible. And looking at building on the work of the likes of Paul Merrick and there's various extremely uh uh just fantastic uh oncologists in the US, everyone from Dr. Carl Felt through to Thomas Seafried. There's quite a few fantastic people in the US in this space, and we are looking to try and amplify their voices and push for change.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah, because it's sort of like people have to adapt. And so the oncologist that you dealt with that was pushing back, it sounds like there's there's another oncologist in the next room down that would be more open to listening to all of these pieces. So it's it's finding the right, the it's finding the right community and the people that the professionals that can help embrace it, and then the professionals that could help you or whoever the patient is work out what this all looked like for them and what the what the AI said and what the plan would look like for the next six months, for the next 12 months, and so on and so forth, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:42

I I would highlight the fact that my oncologist has gone from calling me dangerous and all sorts to now she is a little bit more on side having seen the results. I can only where I came out as a super responder, as they call it. She couldn't quite believe how good my results were, and therefore is now in a position where she's going, okay, what did you do? Which drugs exactly did you use? Can you just send me the research papers on that and I'll just have a look at that for myself?

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I mean, this is this has been such a great half an hour. Thank you so much for joining it. I mean, wow, what a fucking roller coaster. But also, you've got you've got to stay, you've got to stay healthy, haven't you? Do you take precautions with wearing masks when you travel and things like that? Is it that because if you pick up something, you pick up a coal, you pick up a virus, you're letting the the fucking door, you're leaving the door open again, aren't you?

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Yeah, we we don't travel too much at the moment. My partner is Mexican. We're gonna go to Mexico later this year, but other than that, we don't travel too, too much. But exactly as you said, we take as many precautions as possible. Um, and then otherwise, I tend to have all of everything I need for my protocol in the house. So I've got everything from a hyperbaric oxygen chamber, I've got a full gym set up here, as you can see. I've got infrared saunas, I've got red light panels, etc., all in the house now, so that I don't have to go out and expose myself to viruses, etc. You're going to outlive all of us by the sounds of things. Which is I think Brian Johnson might give me a good run for my money. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

I think there's something quite ironic about that guy. I I don't know, but we'll see. We'll see about that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

That's 75% of what he does is exactly what I'm doing. Yeah. Everything from the hyperbaric oxygen through to mitochondrial function pieces, 90, well, yeah, probably 90% of it is born from the same science. He's just using it for a different purpose than I am.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Yeah. So the links you gave us, just to let you know and our viewers know, if you're listening to this episode, go to the show notes and we'll find Dale's Facebook blog and LinkedIn information. Dale, people can find you, track you down if needs be. Obviously, the podcast email address, feel free to get in touch with me, and I can link you up with Dale if you have any questions. Um, just one more question. How's the missus doing?

SPEAKER_01 32:54

She's doing fantastically. So we put her onto a preventative protocol. She's not had a single scare since.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

You guys. Like the house of the house of the cancer survivors over there. Wow. Well, congratulations and thank you so much for sharing your story with the story, Dale. This has been inspirational to say the least. And I would love to have you come back and do another update in six months or so. You know, just you know, where where you're where you have gone with your movement really, with the technology and opening it up to the world. I think that's the most fascinating thing of all it really is, and congratulations on that.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Be happy to. Thank you for uh offering Logan.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

All the best.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Take care. Thanks, Dale.