EP. 220

An old school style episode with new updates! Joey sits down and does a spring time update. Another one you don't want to miss!

Transcript

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All right, everybody. What's happening with you? Is Joey here tonight? Just the lone, the lonesome dove man. Just the old guy. Father Time is what they call me. Doing one here. Me and Nate have been talking about it for a little while. I mean, we don't do a whole lot with our ourselves, you know, by ourselves anymore. So let me get all this turnaround and adjusted. So we can uh figure we'll do a little talking tonight on a few things I've I've had people ask me about. First thing we do, kind of let's go over my recap and Uncle Earl's. We had a good time. It was a great time, as always. Attendance wasn't wasn't what it normally is. Uh figure maybe with all the high gas prices and stuff like that. It probably uh probably had a lot to do with it. But it it just the the the crowd wasn't as big. I mean, it's still a good crowd, got to see a lot of friends, a lot of people that we know, uh had an absolute great time. Got to uh this is one of the first times that I've ever actually slipped off and went hunting. And I went with Ryan, Ryan Rankin from Boars and Broads. And uh he me and him, we uh we snuck off and we went with uh Kenneth into Kill Smith. They uh they live down that area and have some really good dogs, some good properties. Uh we the first day, the first morning we went, we went with uh Caden Ballard to a place that he had and caught several hogs. And man, just good dog work, good time. You know, we we were done by before noon and headed back so that way we could, you know, continue on what we were doing. And the next morning we got up, went again, we went down to uh to another little farm down there, uh about 20 minutes, maybe 30 minutes out south of the bay pen. And you know, man, we had uh there was a pretty good crew down there. Charlie and Big Mike, Trevor, uh let's see, Cam was there, Ken at the kill, Ryan, like it was a it was a pretty good crowd. And and man, we got on the hogs pretty hot, pretty heavy there. We we tied several nice little boar hogs up. Uh one one pretty good one. And then, of course, you know, some smaller ones. The old dogs, they worked hard, they've done real good. Uh, can't say enough good about it. I mean, it was it's funny. Had they there was there was hogs being bayed in groups. Uh little knothead dog they got. I I've I've been talking good about that dog. I hope I don't jinx him. But I just I don't think you could jinx the dog like knothead. That son of a gun, they casted him two times and he bait two sounders. I mean, just like it wasn't nothing. The guy knew what he knew what he was doing, that's for sure. And uh just just had a good time, man. And so, you know, if you get the chance to go, uh go visit. Uncle Earl's down here in Winfield, Louisiana. Sound like the rain's hitting now. But uh, I don't know if y'all can hear that through the mic or not, but unless it gets real, real heavy, I might have to turn it down soon. Nathan will probably be able to edit all that out, clear it up. But so a few things I want to talk tonight about is like um some of the things that we've had to we've had to change up is the way that we're hunting. Because I hunted these rough dogs for so long. And then when we started hunting with Rodney, we we incorporated the rough dogs with the bay dogs, which our bay dogs were still, they put teeth on them a little bit. They weren't just real loose bay dogs, you know. They were they were a little rough. Um and so, you know, we had to incorporate all that, and then on with the loose dogs.

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Now these loose dogs, I hold on to that pretty damn well. Okay, I don't know if that's any better or not, but mess with it a little bit. There we go.

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But so with those dogs, it's it's it's almost like uh you gotta have a plan when you're running the rough dogs. Uh, a lot of people don't have a plan, and then the dogs get, you know, they get tore up and get hurt and get shitwrecked and all that good stuff. And well, we always tried to have a little plan together. Uh, you know, like man, if the dogs all bunched up together and they even if they were four or five, six hundred yards, a lot of times they wouldn't go in real deep. But to some people that is deep, but for us that wasn't. So if the if they were out that far and they all got close close together, we knew like, okay, they're they're all together on something hot, and when they get there, they're gonna have it caught. So we would go ahead and start making our way there, you know, and and that worked out really good for a long time. Then, of course, you know, hogs they man, they just kept running, and it got worse and worse. So we needed something that would stick with them a little more, but and so I bred up dogs that would do that, but they were still too rough, and they would be a mile and a half and and get caught, and then man, then it's then you're trying like hell to get there. It's just a nightmare, you know. So going to the loose dogs, it took me a while to really find what I what I wanted. Or let me say, it took me a while to find out what I liked because I hunted with several different people and and they had, I mean, they all had good dogs, but there were some things I didn't like about certain ones. And then I think I've got what what I like for the most part right now, the way they hunt. Um they don't blow out of the country as soon as you open the dog box. You know what I'm saying? They're they're not they're not running to get exercise. These these they're they get out, usually they'll empty out, they'll mosey around for a minute or two, then they'll just ease off, and most of the time they're not coming back at all. You know, until like they're gonna find a track and they're gonna run it. Now, whether or not we get it stopped or get it bait or get it caught or whatever, that's that's neither here nor there. But they're gonna do their job and find the track and get it going. I feel like a lot of times there's uh we rely 100% on the dogs to do all of it when we should be doing some of it too. And I I know some guys that are really good hog hunters, and they hunt as hard as their dogs do, but it's playing the it's playing the game. You know, they're they're they have a strategy. And a lot of them, if you know your properties, you know your dogs, you you know how that hog's gonna run, you know they're the the routes that they normally take. You you might not know each hog individually, but chances are they're gonna take a similar route. So you know you can get ahead of them and cut them off or pack to them or or whatever you need to do. So utilize that strategy. It'll it'll make you a lot better, hunter, if if you try to think ahead a few steps. Instead of just putting the dog out there and saying, go do it, you know, and of course, there are plenty of dogs that will do it. They they just do all of it, and you don't have to worry about it. I I don't have them kind of dogs, you know. So it's uh I've had a few people ask me about that. Um then, you know, like the here lately I went back to trying to incorporate some of the run and catch dogs back in, but especially like if it's an area where I know I can get around and I can get to. So so last night we went and I had a good idea where this hog would be laid up. So got there, got the dogs, put them out. Well, of course they want to go the opposite direction. And I I knew, I said, if if the wind will change or the wind would blow just a little bit, we got up at the highest point because we hunt a lot of hills. So we get on the highest point of the hill, and we try to let those thermals work for us. And so it's like in the evening the thermals are falling, in the morning, the thermals are rising. You know, so it's like, well, we want to try to try to work with it, but it was at night. Like, well, we need to we need to get positioned, we need to have a strategy. So as soon as they struck, they got the hog jumped, and this it was a pretty good hog. Over 200 pounds. But it's one of those that had those inch and a half teeth. Big body hog, small teeth, still, still athletic, wasn't wouldn't be pot gutted thing, wouldn't be a fat ass hog or nothing like this, just a big mountain hog. Well, as soon as I hear them dogs start yipping good, like they're not barking and or none of that. They're they're just jumping. A lot of them are sight yipping, you know, when it and for some people who don't understand what I'm talking about, like if they get so get again, get animal up and run it, a lot of times they'll bark a little bit or real high-pitched sound, and it's because they can see it. They're not running it by scent, they're running it by sight. Well, so they're yipping like that, and I know they're hot on him, and I know the hog has to go two ways, one of one of two ways. So he's coming toward us. I holler at John, I tell him, I say, hey, turn out these two dogs here. He turns out two run and catch dogs, and the hog is off of this, off the side of this hill. Excuse me. And I let them dogs get about 100 yards. They did have the hog stop for a second, the the the bay dogs did, and they started yoking on him a little bit. So when they were at 150 yards, so the first that's where they had him bait. Well, the two run and catch dogs were 75 to 100 yards in that area, and we turned two more. And we now keep in mind these are smaller dogs. And so we turned two more loose, and they had him caught at 150 yards. And by the time they were caught, we were within 75 yards because we took off right with the dogs. So you see what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, we're sending them a little further, but we're making up ground and there's a strategy to it when we're doing it like that. And the reason the reason I staged them, a lot of times I only run two, but and if it's the smaller dogs like like the high terriers or the young terriers or something like that, a lot of times I'll run three or four, just depends. Which we knew the we knew, I ain't gonna say we knew, but we had a good idea of the hog and how big he was gonna be. So, you know, it's like we tried to have a game plan together on that. So that just keep that in mind for some of you guys out there that are because that that that's what we could, you know, that's ambushing him. That's that's what that's all we did to him. We we knew he was gonna be up around that area. So, you know, when you when you got it like that, it's try to have a plan so that way you don't get unless you want to run him for a couple hours, you know, and I don't mind doing that, but this place that we went, it's 700 acres, 800 acres, and he's gonna be off of it real quick. So we had to get there and get him done. And so that's that's the couple of things that we've done with the dogs there. Um still liking the Doctor system. Uh, I just it has not let us down, knock on wood. It has not let us down. Everything has worked flawlessly on it. Uh I don't know. I can't say nothing bad about it at all. Uh and now they've come out with the with the handheld compass to where you can tone or and correct on right there on in your hand instead of going using your phone. And it's a transmitter as well. You know, the transmitter connects straight to it, so you don't have to have a phone, but it's only a compass. It's like the Garmin for like the 550 or the the Alpha 10 or something like that. But in that case, you could get the Garmin Explorer app, you know, or that's what you use with the with the Garmin setup. So to me, it's like ain't much difference in them, except for where we hunt, the the dog truck picks up better, hands down better. There's I couldn't tell you how many people that have come and hunted with us, and their garments just they don't they don't pick up. And I mean it it ain't like it was just ours and that something was wrong with the one that we had, because we had way more than one. We had several, and all the people out there that's come and done it, like they go and they're they're like, man, my garment losing connection. You know, six, seven hundred yards. Uh sometimes it's two or three hundred yards. It's just a damn place that we hunt. Uh whatever the electromagnetic field is, it's got them all jacked up. So uh let's see what else we got. Uh I had a few things uh, like I said, I was wanting to discuss. Y'all, y'all go check out that Patreon account that we got. We've been putting uh, we've been steadily posting it as well. We can post other things there. I it's I tend to talk more about the dogs and individual dogs and and what they're doing, uh, as well as the hunts, and uh, there's more pictures there. Uh it's you can show more graphic stuff if you get what I mean. And the thing about it is it is a like a subscription deal. Now, it I think it'll let you do it where it says like you can join as a free member, but it don't show nothing. So you have to like do $2 or $5. I don't know how much I don't even know how much it is. But anyway, check that out. If you want to support us, that's the only thing that we can really do to where it's it's worth us doing it. Like YouTube and all that stuff, it's it's we're still putting stuff on there. Nate's got a couple more videos he's he's putting up. We're gonna we talked about it and decided that we're gonna continue on with YouTube and start putting more videos up. I've been staying pretty heavy on the social media stuff, trying to post about every day that I can. Uh you know, Instagram, Facebook, which I got it all linked together, tick, even TikTok, uh, Snapchat, all of them. So that way we can just kind of keep keep it out there, stay in the loop with everybody so nobody forgets us. Because, you know, if we don't do that, we'll just be uh like a popcorn fart in the wind, gone.

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But it is.

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It is what it is. And after that, let's see, I was talking with a guy about road hunting versus rigging. So I I've I've had several conversations with people, and I had a guy ask me, he said, why would you road hunt a dog instead of rig hunting? I said, well, to each his own, and it also depends on how long you keep them on the ground, your the terrain that you're hunting, the properties that you're hunting, the style of dog that you're hunting, the breed of dog you're hunting. All these things come into play. If if I've got if I've got plots, right, I'm gonna ride them on the box, more than likely. Uh, unless I get to a spot I know that there's gonna be hogs there all the time, you know, or there's a good crossing or whatever, then I might stop and put them on the ground and let them run in front of the truck. I might do that for a mile or two. But I have some other dogs, I have some cur dogs, and not just cur dogs, we got some different types of bulldog crosses and all kinds of shit bred up. They strictly road hunt. And people are like, well, why would you do that? So, well, when they're road hunting, my dog, I like my dogs to be just like if we're at if it's at night, I want them to be just right up there where I can't hardly see them. And I'm gonna ease around. And so chances are if there's something that's real close right on the side of the road, they'll already be on it by the time I even get up there to them. Or versus if a dog was rigging, I wouldn't. Now, if you leave your dog loose and they can bail off, that's fine, you know. But a lot of people have their dog clipped up on a rack, and you you have to stop, get out, unclip the dog, and do all that. So that's more noise, more movement, more time. So for me, like I said, for what I'm doing, I feel the dog is closer to the ground. Uh, if it's a real, real hot, where, like I said, where something just crossed or whatever, uh, it can hear it, you know, because it's it's not up there on the top. These are just, like I said, this is nothing that's concrete evidence. These are just things that I'm that I'm saying. It does not mean it's right for what you do. I can and I could be totally, it could be totally off for what you do. But I'm just saying that's why I do it. And not just that, like it keeps the dogs in shape. The dogs are in good shape. Our dogs run. And they can stay gone, they can run all day long. Cur dogs. And I mean, like, if they get in a long race, I can pack them in there with with some of the hounds, and they'll stick it. They'll stay with them. And I've had I've had a lot of people that are like, cur dogs are not gonna stay with the hounds, and most of them won't. But I've got a few that will. And and I'd like to attribute a lot of that to just where they're in shape. Keeping that dog in good shape all the time. Like you hear people talking about, well, I've got to get my dog legged up. Keep him legged up. Shouldn't have to get him legged up, keep him legged up. And like right now, turkey season's in. And it it generally shuts us down. But we can still, I got a few places I hunt at night. So even if even if there's not any hogs on the spot, I still take the dogs and just run them. We gotta let them run. So that way, as soon as the turkey season's over, I don't have to have three or four hunts to get them legged up. Hell, they're ready to go. You know. I like doing it like that. Um so the the road hunting thing plays a big factor or plays a big part in what we do. Uh, especially if it's just me and Nate going, we're probably gonna road hunt a lot of the place, and then we might get out, we might walk up a valley and you know, let the dogs get on out ahead of us, and we just just ease around behind them. And it will, if they ever strike a track, though, like we ain't you ain't walking with them damn fools, them some guns are gone. So it's you know, to each his own, everybody, you hunt however you want to hunt. Whatever works best for you, but I wouldn't have I wouldn't get a high-powered hound to walk hunting. And I would not get a mountain feist to run a 10-hour race. You know what I'm saying? So think about what you're getting and the dogs that you're getting for where you're hunting, how many hogs you got, how big's your properties. Think about all these things. Let them let you know when they come into come into play with that. Think about all that stuff. I just I just feel like, especially for some of the newer hunters out there, that that's probably one of the better ways I could explain it to you to help you on that. And then uh the one of the next questions I get is about breeding. I get a lot of that. A lot. So and this goes into I I I mean any animals really. The difference in inbreeding, line breeding, and you know, which do you prefer? Why wouldn't you do it? This and that, you know. All right, so with inbreeding, we'll go with line breeding. Let's go with line breeding. Line breeding is you're you're breeding more distantly related dogs. Uh like you might have a dog that's in the background that you want to bring back up to the front. And it get those desirable traits from a specific ancestor to that dog without trying to risk, you know, without any risk of of real close inbreeding, super tight stuff. So that that's what you're doing, you know. Um, but you could the thing about it is you could you could still double up on all the the bad recessive genes if they carry them, you know. It's uh it's still a still a crapshoot, I guess you'd say, or roll of the dice in a way, but at the same time, if it's proven lines that have been bred like that, and I'm not talking about like just whoever got two dogs and started breeding them. I mean like people who are producing. When I say producing, so it doesn't mean that you just made pups. It means that the pups out of every litter, and it doesn't mean every one of them, but the larger percentage of puppies turned out to be good dogs. That that's what I mean when I say producing, when you have a producer, you know, so that that's that's what a lot of people that's what they want to do. Okay, so with within breeding, that's breeding, you know, tight relatives, mom and daddy, or you know, I mean a a mom and son or daddy-daughter breeding, uh, brother and sister, and I mean belly mates on that. So it's uh but it's got you do have you do have risk, higher risk on it, but you can like if you have certain things that are wrong or you feel like it's wrong in in your program, you can fix them real quick. And I mean, like you're gonna have the highest genetic similarity, you know. Like I I put it like the with the F1s that we always produce, bro, I'm I they're gonna be, most of them are gonna be bred tight. I mean real tight. Uh that's but but they produce, you know, they they produce and they have for years and years. It's uh it's one of those things, but like even with the even with the line breeding, line breeding is inbreeding. There's gonna be people that's gonna say, no, it's not, no, it's not. Yes, it is. It's it's the degree of of the inbreeding. You know what I mean? It it it is that's just what it is. Oh that when I say it's okay, so you got the the mating pairs, they're not they're not first or or maybe even second degree relatives. They're more I don't know, like you know, uncles and aunts and stuff like that. So that that's how a lot of that goes. But when you limit that gene pool down, it it you can you'll have all this recessive stuff in there. It can, it can, like we said a while ago, it can pop up. It can pop up, and then here you are, you got a problem. So, you know, what what do you want to what do you really want to do? Is it gonna be a long-term deal that you're doing? Is this gonna be a program you you plan on having for 20 years or 40 years? Or is this just gonna be something you're gonna breed to get some pups to to hunt? Because if I if I'm just gonna breed some a good litter of pups, I might try a you know an F1 cross of some kind. It seems like uh haven't had nowhere near any type of genetic deformities or mutations or a bunch of uh illnesses or sicknesses or anything with all these F1s that we've done. And we've been doing them for 20 years now. And we've had good luck with them. So, I mean, it is what it is. And so you get like the dogs, they're gonna inherit copies of these genes from both parents. A recessive condition, it's when when a dog gets two faulty genes or two copies of a gene, you know, and that that's where it's gonna be. That's when you have, if you got a dog, that's where it's showing up, bam, right there, like an underbite or a bad coat or bad feet. It could be a thousand things. And then you have other dogs that are carriers, and those are the ones that usually have one bad one, you know, instead of both. And so the carriers, they don't really have the condition or the disease or whatever it is. But if both parents if you breed two dogs that are carriers, excuse me, then probably about 25 plus percent is gonna have a condition. Whatever condition that they're carriers of. You know, that that's something, but you you you don't know. You don't know if they're carriers unless you do a genetic some type of genetic testing on them. You know, and you need to, in that that's what I'm saying. This is when you're coming into being serious about saying, I'm gonna do this line of dogs, and I'm going to breed the best dogs I can possibly breed. These are the steps that you're gonna have to. This is the the in-depth part of it. You know, it's uh with the inbreeding parts of it, a lot of people they say they have smaller litters, and I I I would say that's true. Uh it seems like it's some of them are hard, they're not they don't have as good a maternal instinct, I guess if you'd say. You know, so it's uh it's one of those deals there. Like I said, a lot of it goes to what breed of dog are you messing with. Because coming from the bulldog stuff, there's a lot of that that goes on. But it's also a shorter lifespan a lot of times, and that's what people are. I mean, they're not interested in a dog living 40 years, they're interested in a dog getting a good six or eight or ten years out of it. I want it to live as long as I can. And so, you know, that like I said, that was one thing that another thing that I've been asked quite a bit about. I'm not a geneticist, I'm not even a dog breeder, you know. Uh I've I've bred some dogs up over the years that have turned out really good. These last two litters that we've done, we are literally at 90%. Nine out of ten dogs have turned out. And to me, that's that that just blows it out of water. And the tenth one, the only reason it ain't turned out, as far as I know, is because it didn't have the opportunity. And uh, you know, I can't control what somebody else is doing. That's why we have to vet the people that we send our dogs to. You have to vet them too. So if you're really concentrating on starting your own line or continuing a line that was handed to you, or just breeding up some good dogs, whatever. Selling a dog for two or three, four hundred dollars, five hundred dollars, or two thousand dollars, either one, you're not making money. To me, that's the biggest misconception in the breeding world is people think you're making all this money. In order to do it right, it's gonna cost you money. Like it costs money. You know, and then you got you got to know all these things, and you and look, just read up on it, research it, learn what all these things are, you know. Learn what the coefficiency of inbreeding is. Learn learn what that is and and and what the percentage is. You know, um, if you if you have a high percentage of on the coefficiency of inbreeding, it means that the dog has a higher risk of inheriting some recessive genetic conditions. But it also doesn't mean that it will. It just says it has a risk. Every one of us, we have a risk every day that we wake up. We got thousands of risk. Doesn't mean that it'll happen. You know, um, but it it can help you make decisions on which way to go with these dogs, you know, when you're when you're breeding them up. Then I was trying to think of what the what my next question was. I had a had a few different listeners. They reached out and asked about certain things. So I was like, man, try to most of them want to want to buy a bay dog. That's what that's what the most of the questions are. And I'm like, shit, I ain't got nothing worth a damn. You know, if uh if I had something that was a good, then you know, it might be a little different. Uh one thing we've been uh been dealing with here is trying to trying to keep these young dogs going. And man, it's like when you got a good dog, like we got we got two or three that are real, real good dogs, and they're they're gonna perform every time you turn them out. It's hard to leave them dogs at home and take all the younger dogs. But that's what that's what we have to do, and and that's what we've been doing. Uh, there's plenty of times where I've I've taken some of these dogs out, and we ran hogs and pigs and ran them in a circle in a damn pine thicket for two or three hours, but we didn't have any old dogs with us. All we had was a bunch of year-old to a year and a half old young dogs. And then eventually they get get it straightened out, and then they run a bigger hog. And we might run him for a while, they might lose him, we might swim the river on them, they might quit, or they might get lost. We ain't gonna say quit because like these really most of them have not quit nothing. Uh, but they might get lost or uh fall off of the track or whatever, and then go back and try to work it out and pick it up, but they're trying constantly. So sitting sitting and waiting and spending an hour of them not doing diddly shit pretty much, but just out there roaming around, I'll take that because I don't have any old dogs with them, and they're learning all this on their own. I feel like it makes a better dog uh in the long run. We sent two Kimmer curves to a guy in Florida, and those dogs hadn't even really, I mean, they'd hunted and run track, but like we hadn't been in the pigs enough. And I told him, I said, man, these dogs are still pretty green. And I think the first weekend that he had them, he carried them out and and they bait hogs. And like he's had them for a few months now, and they're they're baying hogs. They're baying them, and they're they're running track and they're doing good, but he's in a better geographical location with a higher population, a more dense population of pigs than where I live at. So they have more of an opportunity. They have more of an opportunity to be to be on that game consistently. And that is what will create a good hog dog. Any kind of dog. Consistency. So let's get into that part. Let's get in consistency, and why are you so damn lazy and not being consistent? Why are you wasting your evenings or your nights or something like that jacking around out here, running up and down the roads, going out to eat, going to the movies, holding your girlfriend's hands, and doing all this stuff. No, you need to be running dogs. If you want good dogs, that's what it's what it takes. You got to put them in the woods. Or in a swamp or in a slough or wherever. Consistency is the key. You know, what once you get the right dog, the right blood or the right bloodline, the right dog, the whole, all this shit, you get all that. If you don't hunt it, it don't do you any good to have it. Doesn't do a damn bit of good. And I'm talking to myself here. I ain't talking to none of y'all. I'm talking to me because I do this shit all the time. I have dogs and I've got too many dogs. And honestly, I uh I hunt all of them sometime or other. We hunt the hell out of them. But I wish I could go even more. And then we get shut down all the time. Y'all, some of you guys out there don't know how lucky, I ain't gonna say how lucky, but how good you got it. Uh Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, some of those places. Uh, there's places in Alabama that that do have pretty good population of pigs. But like I said, we we can't dude, we can't train, we can't keep nothing alive, we can't tie hogs, can't bar hogs, can't manage your pigs, you can't do nothing. And I talk to guys all the time that that live in places where there's just hogs everywhere. When we went to Oak Earl's, I went to my daughter's house, and my dogs are rigging a hog literally right by her driveway. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, God might. I gotta drive an hour anywhere to get to find a pig. And even then, you ain't gonna find many. So the consistency, I feel like it, like I said, is is a big, big deal. Because we take our dogs a lot and they hunt, and there's a lot of times it's just a dry hunt. But we take them and they're running. So when we do go to places where there are a lot of hogs, they do, you know, they're out there running. They know, they know the routine, they do good. They do pretty good on that. So I think if you guys just keep the keep them out there in the woods and push them like that, I think you'll be all right. You know. Then so had had a guy asked to talk about dogs barking on track versus dogs that that's quiet. Man, we're catching them both ways. And it ain't it ain't much difference at all. Like I said, it ain't much difference at all. The dogs were dogs were barking last night on track, and we caught the hog within from the time it was jumped to the time it was stopped, about three minutes. Um that's not every time. There's there's other times where dogs might, with a silent dog, it's done trailed for 30, 40 minutes, and then it gets there, gets him jumped, he's running, he's not barking, not saying nothing. It still might be an hour and a half, two-hour race, and then they get him made. Done the same exact thing with a dog that's barking every breath. I've also done it with a dog that's barking every breath where it only took five minutes to get him stopped. That goes back to that strategy part we were talking about earlier. The reason I say that is like got a running walker, we turn him out, he gets a track started, gets it up, moving good. And what I'll do is I'll throw one or two of these cur dogs in there with him and try to get it stopped quick. That doesn't mean that we're gonna, you know, not maybe not running catch dogs, but a little different style of a bae dog. And what they do is when they get in there, they tighten him up too. He he gets to be a tighter bae dog. Because there's times where he won't do nothing, he'll he ain't putting teeth on him, he'll sit back and bae, and he'll he might walk them. And I hate that. I hate the walking bait. Oh, God, I don't like it. So put them other dogs with him, put M and Tough, and they'll go in there and they'll get that sunk gun. They'll get him stopped. Then we then we get there and then we catch him. And like I said, keep in mind, he's barking every breath. Well, not every breath, but he's barking enough, barking way more than any other dogs I ever had. Hadn't had any problems with it. Uh it does seem to be certain times where we went to certain areas and hunted, and where the hogs are really pressured, the silent curgs will go in there and get him, they'll bait him in the bed or they'll jump him in the out of the bed. And of course, then you know the race is on. But I don't know that it's pushing him any more with the dog barking because if they're pressured that much already, they're gonna jump and run the first sign of anything. They're gonna go. We got one spot where when you pull up, if they hear a vehicle or anything, they just go. They don't give a damn, they're gone. You ain't gotta have a dog on them or nothing, they're just running. So, like I said, there's so many things that come into play there. Dude, it's it's ridiculous. So I think you know, use your best judgment you can. And if you think you know everything, well then you don't, I'm pretty sure. Uh, and if you do know everything, then it's time to quit. Call me and let me have your dogs. Because I I need some good dogs anyway. So, hey, y'all make sure I'm not gonna do, I'm not gonna keep this one out real long on this one. Like I said, this is one of those that just trying to address a few questions and stuff that we had. But keep in mind that, you know, we have this house resolution bill that's uh it's they they attach it to the farm bill, it's the Greyhound Protection Act. Uh, what they were doing is basically stopping the Greyhound racing. That's what it was originally for. Well, the the language on it is very vague. It does not 100% mean that they can do that they're gonna do this, but it does 100% mean that if we do not address it, that they will do it sooner or later. So basically, we're just trying to head it off at the past. There's I put a video up the other day, and there's several guys out there that made some more videos, and it's circulating pretty good. Uh, I've had quite a few people contact us and express their gratitude and their thanks for us, you know, stepping up and saying, hey, somebody needs to say something. And I'm really not the one to because I don't know all these things. Um I'm not a lobbyist or a political analyst uh by any means. But I happen to know a pretty good political analyst, and I've got him working on it right now. Uh and you know, he's gonna check a few things out. But the uh Sportsman Alliance, they have a petition, and all you got to do is you can go on there, but we we got links on our stuff too. Get on there and check it out, fill it out. You can do it every 24 hours. It's very easy. All you gotta do is put your name in and your zip code where you live at, and it will email your state representative. And so I figure if you do that every day from now till whenever they they go back to discuss it, they'll get sick and tired of hearing from us, hopefully. And they'll just move on. But uh the language is saying that you know, any lure coursing, uh whether it's in a controlled environment or not, which uh can be, and it's also it says any sighthounds. So what's the definition that they're gonna use for sighthound? You know, we don't we don't know what they're gonna use. That's the thing. So are they are they gonna say they're gonna be like, okay, there's no no live lure coursing. So there's no if you can't have any live live lures, then that means like, okay, a lot of these bird hunts, uh, a lot of these rabbit braces, you know, five. Fox pins, hog bay competitions, coon hunts, any type of competition style stuff, they're definitely gonna hang it. And then it'll be to the definition of whatever they want. So what you what we got to do is we gotta say, hey, no, this is what it is. It's not what you think it is. Because if you read over it, it's absolutely out. It's ridiculous on what they're saying on these dogs. Like even with just with the Greyhounds, they're they're the some of the stuff is so far-fetched, they're grasping. They're grasping straws, and they they know they're drowning. They don't have anything that's concrete. I mean, they're talking about these dogs. Oh, they're uh they put game out there, they they turn a rabbit loose, and they run it, and then it's mauled to death. That that's not that's not how it is. In these greyhound races and stuff. And then they said, well, even if even if it doesn't make it the first time, they continue to use it and torture it until it's mauled to death. That's that's their language. That's what they're saying. It it makes it sound so bad. I mean, if you read it and just take it at face value, it's oh, it's it's horrible. All these dogs, they live 23 hours a day in a little steel cage stacked on top of each other, and they die for they break their necks, their backs, they uh they die from electrocution and all this stuff. I'm like, holy shit, where did all this come from? And so, with all that being said, that's for the racing side of it. So now they're gonna do it to make it illegal for any sighthound. So that's not even on the racing stuff of it. That's if the you get just take the dog out into an event and do any type of natural coursing. They're gonna make it uh make it illegal for that. That's the verbiage, and that's the problem that that we're having is a lot of us don't understand the verbiage and the language that they're using, and there's such a big gray area, they can contort and twist it to what they want. They can make it fit whatever venue they want. Because, like, this whole thing was put in by voice vote. It wasn't like they had, you know, uh gave notice to the public and said, okay, guys, let's have a hearing on it. No, that's not how that was. They attached it to the farm bill. And then after they had the the Greyhound Protection Act going, they attached it to that, and now it's just it's just growing. And and it's and I've had a few people that they're like, oh man, they ain't even passed that. No, they haven't. And we don't want them to. But those are the people that are going to be affected because they didn't even try. If if I if if it happens, if something happens and it affects me, it's it's not because I didn't try. You know, I I think if all of us do our part, and when I say do our part, if you think you've done enough, do some more. Do some more. You know. Don't get on there and try to make you a good video and then not do nothing. Don't spread the word and then not do nothing. Get your ass on there, fill out your stuff. I mean, we're already, we're, we're trying to talk with our state representative ourselves. Like we want to sit down with you. We want to sit down and talk to him. If if the good Lord willing, I'll have him sitting right here talking to us on this where all y'all can hear it. That's that's my goal. And I actually know uh a gentleman that was raised with him, or they grew up together, and they're good friends. And so maybe we can make it happen. I sure hope so, man. That way maybe we can get a little more understanding. And and he's uh he's not an extremist or some huge activist or none of that. He's a good old country boy that uh got into politics and he understands what what these hog dogs do. They have farms. And uh he understands what sighthounds do. When that coyote runs across, you know, out on the pastures out there while they're calving, and you throw that that greyhound or that wolfhound down, and she goes out there and takes care of business, he's saving his livelihood as well. And now imagine all these ranchers and farmers across the uh the U.S. that that have to deal with these things. Now imagine if they pull them dogs out of it and say, look, y'all can't do this. You know, because these the government agencies, the trappers, and all this stuff, hey, I guys, I know y'all do your job. I and I I appreciate every bit of it. But y'all know yourself that dogs have a place in it. Because most of the government trappers and stuff I know, they have dogs as well. They have hunt dogs, they use them because they they have their place. Uh and it, you know, we just need to keep moving forward like that on our side of the fence, uh side of the ball, y'all. And uh let's just not drop the ball. Let's just keep pushing on, trying to make a difference. So, hey, listen, I'm gonna cut it short. Like I said, I didn't want to drag it out too damn long because y'all know I get long-winded and just start yabbering on about shit. But hey, we appreciate y'all. Like I said, y'all go check out our social media stuff. We need some new pay, we need some Patreon members. We need y'all to go to YouTube. We need you to follow, we need you to subscribe, we need you to do all that stuff so we can continue to keep this thing going. Because we're at a tipping point right now. The tipping point is we're almost there to where this is self-sufficient, to where uh don't have to work non-stop. Me and Nate don't have to work non-stop at another job to fund this part of it. This thing can fund itself. That's where we're that's where we get we need to get to. So, like I said, y'all go check us out. Y'all get on there. Uh, if y'all have any questions or anything like that, send them in to me. Uh, I think next uncle Ask Uncle Pat segment, he's got two or three questions. Uh, people are finally starting to catch on and send them in. And man, I I'm I'm really liking it. Uh and so uh we appreciate y'all until the next time. Y'all come see us.