EP. 225 Chasin Boar Tales

In this episode we have on Adrian Brand with Chasin Boar Tales! All the way across the big pond it seems we've got more in common than not. Big trips, big lies and big fun! Another episode full of dogs, stories and good info. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:40

All right, everybody. We're here with uh we've got a guest from all the way on the other side of the big pond. Uh we've got Adrian Brand with us tonight from Chasing Bortails Podcast. This man is uh I have listened, you're probably one of the only podcasts that I've actually listened to. I'm not saying it just because you're on here. Most of the time I just I don't have time, but I've listened to a few of them and uh I really enjoy it. It's because like you, you know, you're a pig hunter, and we all we're all kind of the same. We're brash, you know, we uh we're kind of kind of rough around the edges and stuff, and I I really like that and you know we can relate to each other, even though we're the world apart, you know. So uh tell some of the tell our guests out there that are listening in like a hundred countries now, gotta say that. We've got got them all over the world. Uh tell them tell them about yourself and what all you got going on on your side of the world, where you're from and the dogs and all that good shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Yeah, right. Well, to start off with, um, I'm glad you're hearing it. Um it's it's good to know it's um it's it's likewise going across the pond and um we're able to tee this up. Um we're worlds away, but we've all got the same interests and loves. Um myself, I've been oh I'm from I'm from Mackay, Queensland, in Australia, obviously. Um so central Queensland where I am, it's probably got it's probably hasn't got the biggest population of pigs, but um, you know, quantity to quality, we're definitely up there. Um definitely good pigs around this area. I've been hunting uh around 25 years now. Um and tried all sorts of dogs and that. Um still, if anyone's listening to my podcast and that, I still haven't um gone down um the road of balers or anything like that yet. Um still very still very much um one-out dogs. Hangers, yeah. Uh I love that. Yeah. Um over the years, um, the style of dog and uh breeds of dogs we've ran here have definitely changed. Um again on the on earlier episodes, we've mentioned um just how much um the pigs themselves have changed um in their temperament, I should say, uh, with just more running. There's so much more running them. They're definitely uh more flight than what they were when I first started. You could near just have a hanging dog and stalk up and drop drop a dog on a mob of pigs, and most of the time they'd mob up or fight or something like that. These days, yeah, you need that leg.

unknown 3:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Um yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

That's what we run into. Um, the the hogs have changed a lot. And like you were talking about today, the uh I went with, I took a bunch of young guys, some nephews and guys that are just getting started in it. And uh, a couple of my friends from Hawaii, and we went to a property of ours, and it's it's so different from the property when we first started hunting it, what, six years ago, somewhere in there. Six years ago, we didn't go more than a couple of hundred yards, a couple hundred meters, and we'd have hogs caught, you know, no problem. Today, we that one hog we ran it nine miles before we got it bad. Yeah, yeah, nine miles. Now it wasn't straightaway, of course, but that's how long it took. It took hours to get it stopped. And it's they have changed so much. So with with that being said, on the the the hogs that run a lot, how do you how are the the one-out dogs, the the the luggers, how do they work on that situation? Are they being able to stay in there long enough to complete the the the race to get the hog stopped? Or is it harder on them?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Yeah, they definitely well it's definitely harder on on a dog. Um but in saying that I think um we've gone, well, I know myself, I've gone from like away from the knucklehead sort of dogs to a breed of dog that me and a few mates that have been playing with and that, uh, they're a bully dane Arab. And they just they've still got that grit in them where they're keen to have a good um, they'll they'll get in there and they'll they'll they'll tangle with any pig. But um they just seem to be a bit smarter where they're um they're not they're not exhausting themselves on a pig. You go in there these days, they're not trying to fight the pig the whole time. They're a bit smarter, they're conserving energy. Um a lot of times, especially with the older one, when I say older dogs, you know, around that, you know, later three, four, five-year-old and that, um I've been rocking up, rocking up to the dogs, and they're actually there's no bark or anything in them, but they're actually just sitting off the pig and they know you're coming. And if the pig's not not working anymore, they're just sitting back, waiting. And as soon as they hear you or see you, they're straight back onto her again. Okay, and holding up the pig until you get there and and um finish it with whatever you're gonna do with it.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Yeah. We we had a couple of dogs that were very similar to that. Um, if if they got pretty deep, like King and Hank, uh, they would hold, but they would tuck to the side of the pig and just put their side to the side of it and just stand there. You know, it maybe walk the hog would walk in a circle or something. They weren't stretched out, fighting with it. Then, like you said, they conserved their energy. And so for a long time, I ran those style dogs as well, and and we were very successful with it. But then when the hogs got to where they were running, as soon as we would get on the property, they would break and run. So then the dogs were having to trail them and then be out a mile deep or two miles, and then we got to go through the mountains. There's no access roads, you know, we just gotta hoof it. And so it's like, man, you can take a chance on getting your dogs, like you said, exhausted or cut down. So it's we went to a lot of the the balers, and it's it's took a little while for me to get used to it. I'm not gonna lie. It's but now that yeah, we kind of know what it is and how to approach it, it's pretty fun.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Yeah. Um, well, just what you're saying there, I think um the reason why I probably haven't had to is you're saying two, three miles, which well, you're about five, five or six um kilometers away here. Um are a lot lot hotter centered dogs. And we've got a, I feel, especially where I hunt, um, might be a denser pig population, yes, where our dogs aren't having to travel that far. And then for us to get that distance, you know, to back them up and that, um, we average, oh look, it could be anywhere from three to eight hundred meter finds. Okay. Um, well, I'm just myself, like all hunters are different than that, but that that's sort of your average sort of find from the Ute for the dog to pull up. And most of most of that distance is quite open. You can sort of catch that up in the buggy or ute or whatever you're in, and you probably have a two, three hundred meter straight run, not through any thick stuff. Um, there are places where you've got the lanternna and rubber vine and stuff like that where that lasts 30 odd meters, 50 meters might take you a bit longer, but you're still on top of your dogs as such, compared to what you would be doing that distance.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

Yeah, ours is um, like where we we're at right now, we're we're in a the transition from flat land to the mountains. So we're in the foothills. And we might be at one property where it's pretty flat, and you'll you you've got, say, uh a couple of miles of flat territory, and then it just drops straight off 600 feet, 800 feet, and then you know, then you're in the all these canyons and gorges, but there's no access roads at all. So when we get to the back of one of our properties, it's that's it. Like you just stop there, and when you turn the dogs loose, you just got to go to them when it wherever they go. And so a lot of times we like the rougher dogs there. If if we can, if we if we know we got a mob of pigs in one area, we might send a couple of the rougher dogs just to go ahead and snag one or two, and then when they bust up, then we put the the the balers out, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:29

Try to play it to our advantage because if you don't, like today, uh thank God all those guys were in their early 20s and they were they were wore out. And me and me and Kyoki, we sat at the truck and we just, you know, did what old guys do. We we laughed about it. Yeah, they they did good.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

I don't yeah, I don't like to class myself as one of the older blokes that uh I do enjoy sitting back and watching watching the younger fellas run out and get to have a break. We've all done it.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

That's right. Yeah, that's yeah, no, it's good. But he uh, you know, with the I think that's one of our biggest differences is uh I think the the pig population. I think that has a huge, huge factor to play because certain states that we have, they have a really, really dense population. And so a a one-out dog just going out there and hanging them, it works great. But then there's other states where the the population's very, very slim and it's it's hard to get a pig. And so, you know, it's yeah, you gotta kind of work with what you got.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Oh, absolutely. Um, even where I am here at home, um there's um there's ridges and ranges and around here where I wouldn't want to go with my dogs just for the simple fact. I know there's pigs there, and there's some there's some cunning old boars, and I do know a few um other hunters that probably get a little bit bored and um decide to take their as we call west dogs or more leggier hanging dogs and just go down the road and try them in the mountains that are around here. And unfortunately, a lot of them dogs have passed just because they've them pigs have just brought them up. It's either too humid, too hot, or yeah, they've just caught that much for hiding before you can get there. And unfortunately, good dogs have gone to waste for silly, silly reasons.

SPEAKER_03 11:29

That that's one that's one of the reasons why we we made the change. We were get they were getting too far, too deep. And you know, if we can't get to them in time, like you said, you just you can blow a dog out and it's it's over for for no reason. Yeah, you know, when you you have a really good dog, you can monitor it, maintain it, something a little closer. And I it but it was really hard transition at first. Uh I I'm still still getting used to it, but I I like it. It's it's definitely different. I think the greatest difference is when you find one track, one, and it's just like that. I I got a dog I can put on that one track. I don't care where where he walked or when he walked, we're gonna get him. We're gonna get him jumped and we're gonna run him. And and I had that to me, now that right there, that work, you know, that's good dog work. That's fun. Yeah, it's pretty fun.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Uh, because yeah, yeah, that would be my um, yeah. My dogs will just look back at me and wonder what I'm what I'm pointing at.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

Most most of us do. I've I've I've got one. I've got one. Some of these guys, they have whole packs of dogs. I I get humbled every time we go visit with other people. They they have dogs that are amazing, you know. And I'm thinking, damn, I thought I had good dogs, and they're not. You know, it is what it is. Uh so tell us about these dogs that you guys have, the the breed that you've that you and your guys have uh been running. How y'all how how do you think about it?

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yeah, so um uh well if anyone's heard my um my podcast and that I've got a bloke um who comes on, he's he's a good mate of mine, and uh he's been oh he'd be we we often joke saying he's 75, but he's um getting close to turning 60. And uh um any breed of dog that um in Australia that we've used, that people have used, and that he sort of had a had a play with and a dabble with over the years. And um for the last six years, we've been playing around with um across it. All started from um uh male bull terrier to um a well-bred um Harlequin Dane bitch. And um we got the straight cross bully Dane, and they they actually threw a good style, probably um oh, I don't know, in pounds and that, but they sat around the 35 to 38 kilo. Um quite leggy. They got the leg from the Dane um um, but still were um were quite, I won't say unhinged, but they were very um very full on um with the straight cross. Um we diluted a bit more. We actually went um our first cross was with the male out of the two he kept from that litter, the male we put over a Warrigo Arab bitch, um, which is yeah, which is a bull arab here and um a breeder of bull arab here in Australia. And that whole litter, um, just the size was a bit different, a bit of uh inconsistency with the size of the pups, but they all worked well. Um all had the right temperament we wanted, and um, yeah, we'd hang a bull out the piss. So um we done the same cross again with uh the bully dane bitch to uh bull arab dog this time, and um same thing, um a little bit of inconsistency with the size, and um, but all had the right characteristics, and we felt like we'll we'll get him somewhere. We done that a few times, like with the Bull Arabs and that, um, mixing them into the bully dane cross, started getting a bit of a pool together, and um oh, watch Rip, he's six months old. He's the first one we've actually lime bred back. So the bully dane arab, bully dane Arab from both sort of sides, and started um yeah, sort of doing a lime bread diet as such. Um and yeah, I think there was a mix up with that letter. I think only five five of them survived, and um out of them five, three of them I know have are already starting to want to hunt out and um and and work really hard. I actually just got back from down Queensland, um Queensland border, southern border. There was meant to be a um uh pink on and compound last weekend, but a water event, um, a rain event I should say. Um postponed it to the following weekend, and I was unable to make it then. So we still went down the weekend before it was on and um battled against the rain and still pulled out uh 141 pigs for the three days. Oh yeah, and um that turned that young pup. Um, yeah, it he just um he was very impressive. Um the the people who we went with um it sort of caught their eye and um and I was happy with um his um he had the brains and bravado um to pull up anything. And um as soon as the pig was down, he was happy to let go and run on to the next one or jump up on the Ute and go around for another look. So yeah, we're very happy with that.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

Oh, I imagine so. Shit. I don't know I would be.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

It takes us uh I don't know, most of the year to catch 140 pigs. Some some years are better than don't get me wrong. You know, but yeah, yeah. That's a lot, that's that's a lot of pigs. Well, like I said, you know, but you're going to where they're at too.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

I'm sure y'all, when you're doing comps, you have certain areas that you hunt more than others for competitions, or yeah, that was um that was down towards where the competition was. Um, it was uh Mungandai border ball comp. Um, and we were just um outside of town there where we were able to hunt. And yeah, even even the bloke that took us, that was a record for him as well. Um that them numbers and they didn't come easy. Um, there was a few sore dogs and and a few sore blokes, but uh yeah, we met we managed to um get them numbers and yeah, come home and the dogs, I think, are still sleeping.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

Yeah, I yeah, I guess you got you want to ask him something? You got anything on that? Uh he answered it. I just want to know how it size the dogs was running. Uh, the only other thing I could think is how do they handle the heat and humidity? How are they doing with that?

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Look, um they're not too bad. So I'm up here, like it definitely gets more humid where I am. So I'm sort of midway in Queensland. As you sort of going up to the Cape, the tip of uh Queensland, or go across to the Northern Territory. It's definitely a lot more humid. But um these dogs here, like I I'll still I hunt them year round. I'll um, you know, you middle of summer, you're not gonna be um you're not gonna be floating around paddocks or something. You might um you might play a bit smarter and just check a few water holes or something like that. But um they are they are pretty good, but like any dog, um they need to be conditioned for it. You can't just take them out of a pen and and hope for the best.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Um yeah, um, but yeah, all in all, I've definitely seen um better dogs um withstand the the temperatures of um North Queensland and that. But yeah, four hunting dogs, I um I can't really complain with the way they they handle it.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Yeah, that's that's been one of our biggest challenges here in the southeast where we live. Um not just where we live, but just generally that whole area. It's it's uh it's it's a jungle climate. I mean, it's it's very humid. The temperatures in the summer, you know, they're 100 plus degrees, but the humidity is what's really bad. Uh today it was not today's 100% humidity with all the rain, of course, but the other day it was 91% humidity and it was 92 degrees. And it was just you know, you're stinking. Yeah, it's so thick.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

Come outside and it's just foggy during the day.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah, and so when you like you said, there's a lot of guys that want to just take their dogs and just well, they haven't hunted them in a couple of weeks and just throw them out there. I'm like, dude, like they need to be in shape. You know, I I feel like that's a I feel like that's something that not a lot of hunters here do. They just let them sit up, and then when it's time to go hunt, they go hunt, and that's it. You know, they're they're never in in shape.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

You know, and then I had one other question I remembered. Oh, so when you was talking about them like going in there and basically if the boar hog's not working them over anything, the dog will kind of just sit there and watch the hog, and then when y'all get close, then they'll go back and rehang them. Do y'all do y'all's hogs break a lot, or are y'all hogs pretty good about like not just bolting again? Because with ours, like even if our dogs are bayed, like if they hear a truck door slam or something, or you drive past them too fast, the bait's gonna break and they're gonna go again, or something like that. So I just didn't know like the temperament of y'all's hogs.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

Yeah, um it's it it depends. Not all dogs do that, like like I was saying, um, it's usually the older dogs and that they sort of they learn to um chill out a bit and reserve their energy. And um again, again, it's diff different require uh different areas you're hunting at. Um while I was saying that story, uh well, one place in particular I'm thinking of um there's a high dingo population there as well. So a lot of big boars and that will usually they know not to try to outrun dingo, they'll just keep running them till they're stuffed. So you'll usually get um a decent bore or something, he'll just pull up on a bank somewhere or under a tree root, or you know, and just think, I'll just stay here until these dingos give up. And that obviously the old pig dog, he won't leave it. Um and then yeah, so once once he realizes that that pig's sort of not trying to run or or bust out or anything like that, that's like not like I said, not all dogs do it, but um yeah, you get them older ones that sort of go, all right, I'll just sit back and regain my energy as well, and they'll sit there and wait.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Yeah, I think that would have been a lot of things. But definitely um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely um um around home, um around home up in the ranges and stuff like that. Yeah, you don't sort of get that opportunity. I haven't really seen dogs sitting off um pigs there, but Also, um you don't sort of if the dogs hit like come out the cane and they bust up a creek or go up a hill, you sort of, you know you're running, even if they haven't um pulled it up yet, because you know how it is warm up there and yeah, a good chance you can wreck a good dog.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

Yeah. That's pretty one time we had a we had a a little Yog Terrier, one of the little Jags, and uh she had ran a hog so long. It's kind of the same situation you're talking about. This this was a big sow. I mean, she was it was in July here, so it was dead middle of summer, and it was like three o'clock in the afternoon. We were trying to find her collar, her tracking collar came all the way off. So we were riding around. I'm scared, I'm like, oh look, this is my best dog. You know, I'm like, oh man, it's you know, the worst is happening. And I I heard her bark one time on the side of the road. I said, You gotta be kidding me. So we stopped and I go down there, and she is laid under this blowdown, a bunch of old dead trees from a storm. She was laid under there, just breathing so hard. I said, Damn, she's heat stroking. And then I heard the pig grunt. The pig was laying over there. The pig was just laid out in a mud hole. The dog was barking, the pig was laying down, the dog was laying down. I was like, You gotta be kidding me. So I hollered at the up there. I I I called out, and I was like, hey, turn some dogs loose. They go down there and dog's out. She didn't have any fight in her then, you know. And uh, but it was just funny because that's what I picture when you're talking about this. I picture a dog just sitting back like, you know, hey, I didn't gotta do all this shit. He's all right. Let him let him play there and I'll just take my time. That's smart though. That's the that's the old guy's.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Oh, it's definitely smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Um there's one dog I used to have, um, old Hemmer. Now he was way too big to hunt coastal. Um he was only a West dog. Um, and he was he was half his he was half Great Dane. He was right at the very start when I first started playing with the Great Dane bullies. Um they were too large. I'm going back, well, 10, 10 or so year ago now. Um, we've obviously made them smaller and and and and had a better run at it. But um he would he ended up being that smart, like um how you cast out. I was actually able, if I seen a mob of pigs out in a paddock or something, the wind was blowing the wrong way, I could cast him out the paddock and have a look around, pick up the scent and get me a pig. Um, I could actually call him off, I could run past and call him off pigs um if I seen something better. And he was fantastic of pulling pigs up and just holding them, like I was saying before, just standing off them. Um like I said, not all dogs are like that, but um when you do get one, it's bloody, it's very handy. Yes, and you um definitely miss it when they're gone.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Yeah, that's that's that's the hard part. I was talking to a young guy this morning, so I told him he was he's got a a little pup that's just it's not gonna make it's not a pup, it's uh it's two years old, you know, and it's just not gonna make it. And he's tried everything. And I told him, I was like, you know, you can spend all this time on this dog that's not gonna do it, or you can spend that same amount of time on one that will do it. And he was like, Man, that just seems like that's a hard thing. I said, No, what's hard is when they give you 10 good years and then they can't do it anymore. I said, That's what's hard. I said, and then you miss it. And you know what you had, and then you get all these other dogs, and you're like, they're not doing shit. You know, I had a great dog, and now he's too old, or or he passed away or something, you know. It's just that's the hard part for me is when they get old and you miss them.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Yeah, absolutely. You get them um, you get them great dogs, and in the 25 years, I think I've had probably had four or five. Um but in saying that, and I'll and I've said it before, it's them average dogs that um fill the gaps up between them too, that um people forget about, but they keep they keep you honest and they keep you in the game. So um, you know, without them too, yeah. I know a lot of blokes and that that have had fantastic dogs, and when that dog dies, that's it. They give up, they they knew how hard it was to get him, they'd just give up the game. Yeah, so um, you definitely gotta rely on them, um, just them honest old dogs that just barely make the grade.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

A lot of them can be good, not all of them can be great.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Absolutely. And um, with that, with this um little breeding program, me and a couple of mates that have been doing of recent, um, I've just I just sold a dog and uh he it was it was a hard sale. It was a hard sale, but you just got to be honest with yourself when when you're in this game. Um, he was a beautiful looking dog. He was doing everything right, but I just knew he wasn't gonna make that level that I want to have in my yard at the moment. And um, yeah, I moved him on and the perfect scenario. A young young hunter got him um second night of owning him, went out and got a hundred kilo ball with him. So yeah, he's over the moon. So yeah, so that's a win for everyone, I feel.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Yeah, that it really is. Um, and like you said, it's some of those instances there that it solidifies you about being honest with yourself. Because, like you said, you're like, okay, it's not gonna make what I want, but it is gonna make a dog. You know, it's just not the same level. We all have different levels. Um, and that's you know, I guess the older you get, the longer you've been doing it, the higher your level should be. And I think the same thing. Oh, absolutely within breeding program. You if you're not getting better dogs every time that you breed, getting just a little better or getting what you want, then you're not doing it right. You it's you're going the wrong way with it. You know, so what's a what's a what's a good started pig dog go for where you're at?

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Oh, look, that that price is definitely going up. I I just sold that the dog I'm talking to, uh talking about, I just sold that buff stone. I've been out of like I don't buy dogs or anything like that. I've always just um bred my own. Or there's there's enough of um, I've got enough mates and that in the hunting community and that where we do like a bartering system as such between ourselves and always look after each other. Um, so I didn't really want to get rid of this dog, but at the same time, um I knew he wasn't gonna make my level, and this young fella was interested in one. I sold that dog for a thousand dollars, and I actually had people saying I got rid of that dog too cheap. So um yeah, so I don't I'm I'm not sure what what people sell them for, but it's the same way here.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Oh I think that would be like 1,300 US dollars.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Yeah, that'd be like a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

I think Australia's like a dollar twenty-three or something like that, or like a dollar thirty to American.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

So if yeah, yeah, it'd be around that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

So for years, I mean for many, many years, eight hundred dollars to a thousand dollars, you could buy I mean a good dog, very good dog. But I'm the same way, like I I didn't really buy dogs, I made I wanted my own dogs, you know. But and then when uh now what two years ago, and I had all I had, I had these were just run and catch dogs. Like they were they were just luggers, but they were good. They were getting a little older, slowing down some. And I don't I don't even want to say really, but like I mean, like five grand for a pair, you know, and it's like they're good dogs and they're gonna turn it out. And I mean myself, I'm like, I'm thinking like, you know, two thousand dollars is more than enough. But these other guys are like, no, they're two or three thousand a piece. I was like, what? It's been a long time since I sold any dogs. I was like, are you for real? But like a good cast dog that'll a good good bay dog, five, six thousand dollars is that's where we're going to be starting. You know, and it it's it's getting it's getting out there pretty good. Um and and a lot of it is because the hogs run so much now, that dog has to stay and run for hours at a time.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

And it's a lot of people sell bad dogs. A lot of people just lie here, they they'll just sell you some junk. So a lot of people they would rather just pay more for the guarantee. I don't see one how people can do that.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Even uh, even the opposite way there, um you bring them prices up, it's gonna um it'll uh hopefully it'll stop a lot of um like bullshit hunters wanting to buy it as well. Like one thing that I've always been worried about is selling selling a good dog to a young fella that um I'm sure he's all keen on that, but will he back that dog up, especially like the dogs like we have and we breed and that? If that dog's in a prickly situation and its new owner hasn't got the balls or the knowledge to get in there and help that dog out, um that that that would be very disheartening for for that dog to be put in that situation. Yes. Um at the end of the day, yeah, yeah, definitely. Um, you know, they're all doing um what they're what they love, but um, they've all been brought up and trained to know I've got to hold this for a certain amount of time, and then my boss or the second part of this party is gonna come out and help finish this job off. And if no one rocks up, then yeah, we don't know what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

That that seems to be a uh one of my biggest issues. It's not really an issue, I shouldn't say, but I vet people, you know, instead of worrying about how much I'm getting for a dog or whatever, I will give somebody a a great dog if it's the right person, you know, and that's the thing. And and I've I get people that call, and I'm sure you do too. They're like, hey man, I'm looking for looking for a dog. Or if if I put a dog on social media, they're like, hey, how much is that dog? That's not how you start the conversation, you know. I don't that's not how you start with me. Um and I was just curious if it was like that where you guys are, you know, if it's a real cutthroat deal on like selling buying and selling dogs, or most people breed their own dogs and make them.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Oh, I don't think a lot of people do it. Um, maybe a lot of older hunters and that. And I'm sure, like you were just saying, a lot of garbage and that people sell as well. Uh, you you've got to be careful with with buying and stuff. That's and we will go back to all my mates and that we sort of keep um keep our pups and we breed our own and that because there is so much garbage out there. We spoke about it. Um I think it comes out um with that Baden's podcast. We're talking about the the likes of the Bull Arab now. Oh, the um bacon critdle. And a stra. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

That guy right there, listen. You gotta you gotta watch him. He's got those yellow dogs, he's got those black mouth curves, you know.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

And uh, you know, he showed us a bit of them um the other week.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

Yeah, he's got he's got them, and he he thinks he's got some pretty good dogs. I got he's gonna come out, he's coming back over here next year. He went with Rusty last time. He's gonna come, he's coming with the big dogs. I'm gonna show him what armadillas and possums are. I'm gonna show him how trashy dogs really work.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Well, you know, hopefully everything settles down with the price of fuel and everything, all the rest of the dramas that's happening around the place. And um, I'm hoping to jump across and be over your way in March and that for Uncle Earl's as well for 27.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Um that's a plan at the moment.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

Are you gonna bring that damn Bundy rum too? Are you gonna be drinking that?

SPEAKER_01 35:25

Oh, I heard there's none over there, so you might have to.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Don't you like it?

SPEAKER_03 35:30

Oh, let me tell you something. That shit about killed me. I'm talking about it was like I drink, you know. I'm not saying I make moonshine, but like I we drink moonshine. Um yeah, it is very, very stout. But that I was like, it was what, seven o'clock that one the next morning? They were like, here, let's drink some of these mimosas or whatever they were trying to make. What a mimosa, what was it? It was something with orange juice or some kind of shit. I was like, all you're doing is getting drunk. Like, that's all we're doing all day long. Hell yeah. And dude, they can drink. Like they can drink. Yeah, I was like, Yeah, I said something's wrong with y'all guys. There's something wrong with you. No, come on, it'll be a good time. It's fun.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I hope, I hope it all comes through. Um, the missus or the accountant, I should call her, um, she's she's um giving it the tick of approval, so it's looking good.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

There you go. Yeah. That'd be a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

But no, uh, I'm sorry, I got you off on a whole nother thing there.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

You were we were talking about the about the bull arrows and that um yeah. Yeah, just with um, just with um them dogs, and that like um they're sort of known as the Australian pig hunting dog, yeah. Um, at what I've been told and that from overseas and that from different people. And unfortunately, early 2000s, it just it was a big um a big want for that breed of dog, and too many people were breeding them for for looks and that instead of their ability. And man, it got bad. It's yeah, it was just every man, it was like a toe ball there on the back of every ute, and I think only only a small percentage of them were um worth feeding.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Yeah, yeah. That tend that tends to be uh an issue here as well with certain with certain breeds. They'll get popular, and man, they'll first thing they do is they want to buy a pair. They don't care where they come from, whether it's uh and and a lot of it is an imported dog, is where it starts out. And then they just like the the Og Terriers. I started with them about 20 years ago. And the first eight to ten years was phenomenal. And then it went from it went to complete shit. You know, I mean, we were watching them sit there and bay a little pig, and I was like, they should never bark at it. Like, why are they barking? And people were like, oh, well, they're young. I was like, I got five month olds that are tearing each other's ears off. Like these little jokers are badass, you know. Uh Patterdale's and and and Russell's and all that, you know, hard little dogs, and they just watered them down, and then you see them pop up for sale, $300. I'm like, no, that's that's not how this goes. And they just they ruin them. They ruin the breed.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

A soft person cannot make a hard dog.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

No, no, no, no, no. Um, that hard dog will end up being the alpha of that pack.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

Well and truly.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

No doubt about it. Yeah. Uh so what do you what do you feed your dogs? What what kind of dog food? Do you have you kibble or do you feed uh yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

No, I definitely do a kibble. Um kibble is it definitely changes. I I dare say it's always like um the likes of um like your cobber and juro, um, different dog foods and that. Um I swear you'll be you'll be on a winner. You go, this this is great and that, and probably six months later they must change the recipe or you know, start putting less, whatever it else is in there, and the dog start, you start seeing their coats looking a bit more strawry, or they're not getting their solid stools. And um, so you sort of I'm always rotating kibble, but as I've gotten older, kibble's more of a um more of a filler as such. Um, I do a lot of uh chicken frames, um a lot of brisket, a lot of um mints and that with the dogs. I don't have to go as far as like your rice and veggies and stuff like that, or do stews and that. We don't get it that cold here where the dogs lose too much condition in that weather, but um I definitely like to put a bit of meat and um and bone. And the chicken frames um they're they're fantastic. After a hunt, and that the the dogs sort of bounce back a lot more, I must be with all the fats and that's still on them. And yeah, and the coats always look great. Um, one thing that um I'm not sure if you've heard of um Dan and Nat from Boring Australia. They're they're pretty big on their YouTube and stuff like that. Yeah, um, I've had them on the podcast and that. And one thing that they've done over the years while they're out hunting that is um they have cat food, like just your or your tuners and stuff like that. Yeah, and they feed that to the dogs um while they're out hunting that if it's a four or five day um innings, what you know, it keeps the dogs, all them fats and keeps the dogs um from um dropping where they're weight and not as much as what they would usually just being on the biscuits.

SPEAKER_03 40:56

That yeah, that that would definitely work. We uh you know, like can mackerel. Yeah, I was fixing to say yeah for puppies. But yeah, we've done it. We've never done it like when we went on hikes. Uh a guy that you we used to hunt together a long time ago, he he knew somebody that worked in a in a in a butcher store, and he would just get go get these big boxes of just fat, beef fat or pork fat, either one, and he would put it in just ziploc bags and stick it in the freezer, freeze it. And then when we would go on these hunts, you know, three or four-day hunts, he would just take those bags, thaw them out, and just give each dog just a handful of just nothing but fat. And man, it like you said, they bounced back, um, they didn't drop a lot of weight, their coats still look good, they didn't dry out. Um, they didn't seem to dehydrate it, you know, as much. Yeah, it really worked. And uh we we try to do that as much as we can. We've got a lot of supplements we use now, you know, and and it helps. Um we got some new stuff that we're we haven't used it yet, but we're going to transition to it working with Galen. He's gonna come over. And uh he's basically a dog nutritionist. And he's gonna come look at the dogs and say, you know, this dog needs this, this, and this. And so I'm I'm all for it. He's like, he said, I won't charge you nothing to come over and evaluate him. I was like, shit, come on, you know, hell, I'll take whatever I can. Yeah, yeah, it'd be great to have somebody, somebody else look at them that that knows if they need something else, you know.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Oh, absolutely. Like um, I'm sure you're the same as myself. For me to get the four days off to go for a hunt, um, you know, there's a lot of juggling around with your personal life and and work and family and all the rest of it. So if you're out for that time, you want them dogs to perform as well as they can. Um, I took on what uh Dan and Nat from Boring Australia said. And um that last hunt I went out, I just had um they were dollar, dollar tins of sardines. Yeah. And I I just grabbed a whole box and after every hunt, I'd just peel one of them open and just give it to the dogs. Knowing that I was gonna hunt again in the next, say, three or four hours. I didn't want them to have a lump of uh kibble or anything like that. So I just gave them them sardines, and the performance them dogs gave me over the longevity of that trip was um definitely better. It was definitely worth doing.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

That's something we'll we're gonna look into that right there. Um because, like you said, you can buy some of that stuff really cheap, you know. And if if it would help our dogs, especially the hot time of year, because you like you said, you don't want to feed them a lot when you're on a hunt. You don't want to get them all, and then they're gonna shit everywhere too. So you don't want to deal with all that.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

So yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

unknown 43:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Well, then larger breed dogs that we've got in that. We um um have had issues, not myself as such, but I do know of people and that have had issues with bloating that, you know, just having, you know, having their stomach give way and rotate inside there and, you know, and hopefully it's like well, I'm no bet and that, but um I've heard where it can just contract and you can usually um feed like a a hose or something down there to release the gases, and hopefully it sort of just relaxes. But when the whole thing flips over, it's either surgery or the dog. Yeah, yeah, dog dies.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

Yeah, and the and the bigger dogs, I've heard of that before. Uh, I know here a lot of the the guys that coon hunt with the coon hounds and stuff, they uh I know several of them that have dealt with that. We I've never dealt with it personally that that I know of. Um, but it's it's still something to pay attention to, no doubt. So, yeah, what kind of parasites do you guys have to deal with over there? Like worms, fleas, ticks? Do you have to deal with a bunch of that?

SPEAKER_01 44:54

Yeah, yeah, we've got we've got them all in that. Um I've had I haven't had an issue with fleas for. Lot of years. My dog's kennels are up on concrete. Um, and I I don't even treat for fleas, and I haven't had fleas here for a long time. If if I did have one come in of that, I'd jump straight onto it. I'd get some of that front line or something like that, just put across the back. Um, with ticks, you get your bush ticks and stuff like that, obviously, and that. But we've got the paralysis, uh, the paralysis tick over here. I'm not sure if you have it in that, and that will wipe a dog out. Um, you'll they'll start getting a bit wobbly in the arse end. And um, I've actually had in the last 12 months, I think they sort of had a bit of an outbreak here. And yeah, I know about three or four dogs. Um, yeah, people that will check in their dogs and they still just missed them. I think one was up in the gum, another one was deep in the ear. And um, yeah, poor buggers. Um, yeah, just didn't get to them in time. Yeah, that's um what else do we have? Um, with worms, uh I think worms are the same as everywhere. We've got your tapeworm, you get your hookworms and that, which are really, really bad for young pups and that. You sort of got to make sure you keep the worming up if you've got it in your area. I've seen a lot of good litters go to waste and that from people not um worming their their younger dogs correctly.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Um biggest thing I've done um for a lot of years now, I've used the oral sheep wormer, Ivermectum or osmectum, it's called now.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Um and I worm my dogs monthly with that. Um the it doesn't cover tapeworm, but it does all other worms, and the best one I love it for is heartworm. We've got a lot of mosquitoes made around here and that. And um heartworm is definitely prevalent, and a lot of people have lost their dogs. And it's you know, it's it's just that hidden killer that you don't realize till that dog's four, five, six years old, it's coming good, and all of a sudden start to losing that energy, gets a cough, and you know, before when you're starting to realize it's a lot of the times it's too late.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Yeah, that uh we have to deal with that a good bit. Yeah, we tr we definitely treat for the for the heartworm. Um, you know, we do the same pretty much the same thing. Um we uh we got a a new partner that we've or new business we've partnered with is called the bestdogproducts.com. And like he has uh several different medications in the pill form, like the the prosimectin and different ones. And it's basically you you give it to your dog as a preventative as well. Uh he's he's got a lot of stuff like that, you know. So if if you need anything you want to try, y'all can check him out too.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

It's just yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

You know, he uh he sent us some stuff to try. And then like I said, we we just partnered up with him, but I've everybody that I've talked to has been satisfied with it. You know, I haven't had any negative reviews on it, so I was like, yeah, I definitely want to try it. We usually keep around 30 dogs on the yard. So, you know, you got to stay on top of it because once it starts, it just snowball effect. You know.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, basically like that. Um sorry. You're all right, keep going.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

What I was doing right now to kind of like test it to make sure everything's working good is I got this set of dogs that I'm only using his products and then the one, and then a different set. We're using our regular protocol that we have of those medications. So I mean, so far I gave the first round like last week, and they seem to everything be fine, so it didn't kill them, so you know, doing good.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Yeah, yeah, that's good. Um, and and you've sort of got to find that happy medium too, because we all want something to work, but you also want bang for your buck. Like in your situation, you've got 30 dogs. If you're bringing them dogs in the vet to get their annual heartworm injection, what's uh it's like 300 bucks a pop here or something like that. It's ridiculous. Um, yeah, so you know, there's a lot of little secrets out there um that I'm sure um vets and other people in that kind of world don't want you to know. And um if um if you stumble on it, definitely use it. The old fellow I was talking about earlier, Mark, um, he got me onto that Osmectum or Ive Mectum and that with the worming in that. Now, where he lives, he's got um like almost a swamp sort of set up behind at the back of his place, and mozys in the right time of year are terrible. And he has um dogs 14, 15 year old at the back there, no heartworm, no coughing or anything like that. Just and that's all he's ever given them.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Yeah. That's that's what I started out using was just the the agrimectin here, and I did that for years, and that's when I I would only have like, you know, say five or six dogs, no more than eight or ten. And it were everything was good. That's the only thing I really needed. And then after I started getting more dogs, and I would bring a pup from somebody else in and all that, it seemed like I started having to deal with more shit then, you know, starting bringing other stuff on the yard. So now we've got everything situated. It's like I really don't want dogs from anybody else. It's nothing against them, it's just we got it the way we want it. We like to keep it like that, you know. And uh, I mean, we don't have to have dogs, we just try to stay, keep it stable, you know, keep it steady and consistent.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

Yeah, yeah. It's um, yeah, it's definitely like that. Um, around here, even with that keeping things separate and um you don't want other dogs now. I don't know. Do you find when you have like a litter of pups and you get Joe Blow come in and you know they've got dogs themselves? Oh, can I have a look at your pups? And I say, Yeah, look from far, mate. I don't want you, yeah. You're not, I don't want you touching them or anything like that. I don't know what's on them. And that, especially if you've got uh it's a litter that you're you've sort of been banking on, finally come across and that they're like they're um fine. I know it's allowed near them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Yeah, it's uh we ran into that two years ago or three years ago. We were doing a favor. A guy called, he was like, Hey, you're gonna be in Louisiana. Can you pick these pups up for me? Give them a ride back, no problem. We never got them out of the dog box. I said, We're not getting them out of the dog box. You come get them tomorrow. I'm getting here. You know, we didn't leave them in the dog box all week, nothing like that. But I was like, I don't want to get them out. Well, I it's gonna be. I said, that's fine. They just stay in the dog box, we'll feed them, we get them out, play with them, keep them up here in the front of the yard. Literally, those dogs started dying that day by the time nighttime fell. I'd never seen anything like it. It was the worst salmonella. It was all it I've I've never dealt with it. It was horrible. And I had a little bull terrier pup. She was up here at the front, the closest one. Same thing happened to her.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

If we'd have had them dogs back any further, or if we'd have waited another day, and and the guy caught, thank, thankfully, the guy that originally got the puppies, he was in Louisiana. He called, he's like, hey, I got home. He said, There's something on the yard. And we went out and checked those puppies. And I was like, dude, one of them, they acted kind of, you know, they acted kind of sluggish. And I was like, well, you know, traveling and stuff. It was like a seven-hour drive. But literally a couple hours later, it was it was horrible. And after that, I was like, I'm not there, they can't be any more come here. None.

unknown 52:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

Because that that little bull terrier, she was going to be my outcross. I had been waiting on her for several years, and I was, like you said, one I was banking on, and I was like, I'm not doing it anymore.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 53:02

And and you know, some people get, you know, they get a little shitty about it, but it's like, well, you know, if you don't care about your dogs, that's on you. But I care about what I'm doing, and I'm not dealing with it.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those things like um my old man, he's he's not a hunter. I'm I'm the first person in my family to ever do anything like this. I sort of just went off on my own. And um, you know, he he had this um American bulldog bitch, nice bitch and that. And um he bred her. He bred her just to have some pups and that. And um, they would have been two weeks at home. And just just not being around a lot of dogs. That's just his own pet dog and didn't understand a great deal about what's out there with in as ways with uh in diseases and that. Um he actually picked up this this little seven-month-old, or not seven months, a little seven-week old, a bit older than his other pups. He found on the side of the road, yeah. Um, this little brown dog, felt sorry for it. He brought it home. And um, yeah, he brought that that home, and I think um a week later or something, he was heading, he was heading off on a holiday or some shit, and he wanted me to look after these um pups he bred, you know. I said, Yeah, dad, no worries. I brought him in. And in that time, that other dog had died. That little dog had died, and whatever it had, it was it was almost like um we got two of them tested, and the test came back, it wasn't pavo, but um the symptoms were very similar to it. Um, lucky I had them in a section. I've got a bit of land here, so I had them away from all my other dogs. Um that I wiped out. I ended up having two, um, I think two died, and I just ended up tapping the rest because you know, you see, they're heading down the same way. And I bleached everything all around my yard and that. And leading into so that's a few years ago now, the next two years following that after cleaning, um, any pup I was getting with my mates and that, I was getting them get the vaccinations and everything at their place, and they weren't coming to my coming home, yeah. You know, you're all excited to get your pup, but I wasn't getting them anywhere between, you know, eight to twelve weeks. And like, you know, luckily, thank God, I've I haven't had no issues from that. But yeah, you know, if I, you know, that wasn't around doing this forward as long as yeah, absolutely. If I would have chucked them in me run with it, just caged them up inside the run with the other dogs one place, yeah, it could have been terrible.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

We had to deal with uh coccidiosis. Uh, do you do you y'all have to deal with that? No, not what's it's very similar. The symptoms are just like parvo, just about very similar. And but now it doesn't matter what age the dog is. Like it does. Oh, really? Yeah, yep. Now Nate Nate knows more about T.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

So basically, it's mainly through like birds and stuff like that. So a lot of times, anytime we've ever had any issues, it was like during the spring or the fall migration of like birds, and basically a bird come like sit on the edge of the water bucket and shit in it. And then they would drink it or something like that, or get bird shit in their mouth somehow. And like you won't really notice anything, they just kind of act sluggish, and then like they might have just like a little bit of blood in their stool, or like it get mucusy, but it don't really have like you know how like parvo has that very distinct smell. Oh, we all love that smell like this one's not quite as strong, it's a it's a little different, but you notice like a little smell, and you notice like this mucus, yep. And it might be like yellowish or orange, it's not like quite full on blood, because you know with parvo, like when they start shedding blood, it's it's bad. And then like it can go from that to they're just dumping blood, and they will just get so it's very similar. Like the reasons why they die from parvo is because they get anemic or they get dehydrated. But basically, like this parasite has like these little eggs and it they just stay in the intestine tract, and so they can get in a grown dog or anything, and then they can live in the ground for like I think like three or four months and then like reinfect. And so it can be a real pain. That's why we built so once we started having issues with it, we built individual dog pens up off the ground, so like we have a four-bait kennel and it's by itself, and then four feet away is another one, and we got two runs of that. Yeah, right. Yep, and that has cut down on everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

It's it's helped a lot, yeah. And we're fixing to build some some newer ones hopefully pretty soon.

SPEAKER_02 58:00

But the treatment's not bad. Uh, you can use cord, so like they have like the powder stuff that you can give to cattle here. A lot of people give their cattle that, or they have the liquid, and we just always use like one milliliter to treach 20 pounds. And I usually do it right around our springtime. I only do it a couple times a year, or really just keep an eye on if I notice like a stool change of anything, like I said, that yellow mucus or a little blood, I'll warm them and give them cord and yeah, usually no issues.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

Yeah, it's yeah, so it's not as um, it's not as uh doom and gloom as what the pavo virus is or such. Um if you get on top of it, you're sort of right.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

Yeah, it'll be a lot slower, and you just like I said, you might not notice anything. It might be a week, it might be two weeks, but then by the time like if you don't know what it is and you don't know the early signs, like you might just be like, well, they must have eaten something weird or something like that, and then like you go out there and the dog's dead, you're like, What happened? And then it'll look kind of very similar to the way a dog would die from like parvo. So, you know, yeah, it's very preventable, but if you just you don't know, then it can even bite you in the ass real quick. Yeah, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

The first one we've had um a few dogs that ran.

SPEAKER_03 59:17

No, no, go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 59:18

I was just gonna say we they yeah, we've had a few dogs around here in that um that have you know they just you know drink a bit of stagnant water or something like that, and you get them home. You haven't really picked it up after the hunt, they're fine. And yeah, a day or two later, it's starting to get temperatures starting to crash a bit. Nothing but antibiotics that helps and that. Um but uh oh that that that sort of gets you, especially it's a good dog, you sort of get a bit worried and you're oh, what the hell's going on here? But yeah, um yeah, vets have either come in, or you sort of start realizing yourself now where you've been hunting that that's what they've probably picked up. But um, there's a lot of shit out there that wants to kill them.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

Yeah, yes, yes. What was that other one? Uh Kevin, blue-green algae. Yeah, blue-green algae poisonous. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

We've got that here.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:10

I've never I've never we've never dealt with it. And some friends of ours in uh the the next state over, actually they went to South Carolina, is where it happened at. And his dogs were out, and it was like real. Yeah, everything's real dry, and you know, what ever all the water was stagnant. And so they they actually the dog was one of the dogs were baying, was baying a hog. And so they went to it and it showed the other ones were bayed, and then they got there and the dogs were like you know having seizures and all kinds of sh. I think he lost four. I think it was four of his main dogs, his best dogs. And then uh one of the other guys, he lost a couple. I think it was like seven dogs altogether. I want to say that that hunt. That I mean, that hit him hard. Yeah, that that was bad there. I'm thankful that we haven't had to deal with that, but I mean it could happen at any time, of course, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:03

I think we've had some dogs get away.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

Do y'all have Giardia over there?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

Uh, if we do, I don't know about it. No. What's that one?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:14

Uh so it from here, like we have beavers, so mainly just comes from them. Uh, I think it has something to do with like the fleas that they get on beavers. And it kind of just like a bacterial infection. Uh, it just caused like issues with their stool. It's kind it's similar to like the coccidiosis parvo, just not as severe. But like if left untreated, like it can kill it. But uh fimbendazole kills it. So if you use like fimbendazole worm or just to treat for like round worms, whip worms, then you should be fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

So yeah, yeah. That's pretty wild, though. It's bloody dogs. Yeah, I was thinking there's so much shit we go through with them, you know. So and and it's very similar, you know, in the same areas you guys have, but y'all have a lot of the same thing. So uh what about like let's what about tracking systems? Are you using Garmin?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

Oh, I am. I use the Garmin. I've I'm getting close to um updating soon. I've got the T5s with the Alpha 100. Um, I've actually gone through, I'm on my third um Alpha 100 handpiece. Uh the the LED screen on it um starts dying. So yeah, I'm on my third one there. Um I love Garmin. I'm happy to keep a Garmin, but there is um there is a couple of um different brands that's starting to pop their head up and that that are extremely cheap compared to the Garmin and that. So I dare say um Garmin might have to do they're gonna have to I don't know, might have to um absolutely they're gonna have to do something because I know a lot of people that have been talking about like these Chinese brands. I can't remember, I don't even know what they're called. I can't say e-seat what they are in that it's it's called e-seek. Yeah, that's what I'm hearing about. There's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

There's some guys that are written that I know and they really, really like them. We went to the Dogtra, and I will never have another garment. Like it, this thing is yeah, some people don't like it because it goes to your phone, but it also has a handheld compass. You know, you you can have two separate ones, but you don't have to have cell phone service, first of all. Everybody's like, oh well, you know, and you don't have to have cell phone service. Uh I picked dogs up the other day. Usually here, if we get a mile and a half, two miles, I mean that's that's phenomenal. That's with a long-range antenna hooked up on a Garmin. I picked Rick up the other day at over five miles just on my on a regular antenna. And then we drove around, we drove 37 miles around the on the other side of the river to get him. And I look, I could see on the map where he was in a dog kennel, somebody had picked him up. That that's no joke. I said, There's a set of dog kennels there. Rodney said, How do you know? I said, I'm looking at them. I was like, holy shit, dude. Like clear. It's clear. That's dog trial. Yeah, the Pathfinder 2. We haven't had any issues, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:15

And when you update your callers, you do it through the app. So it'll say, like, check for an update. You hit check for an update, and it goes through your handheld and all your callers, and it says update available. You click it, it connects to it. You don't have to plug nothing up. You can update it there before you hunt.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

Right then. Every time.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

It'll do it in a minute or two. Really enjoyed that. They pick up, it picks up quick. Yeah. Because we had to we had to leave a dog one night. He kept coming like a hundred yards, and then he would see us and he'd run back out and go hunt. And it was like, well, we'll let him spend the night, we'll come pick him up. He's far out here in the middle of the woods. Put his shirt down. And so I drove back the next morning to get him, and I was like a mile and a half away. And like I turned the system on and everything, and it picked him right up. I was like, okay, I really enjoyed it. Because you know, we're going in a lot of times, it's gonna take a while to just get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

Yeah, it takes a bit, yeah. Funny you say that with the dog truck. So I reckon, oh, easy. Last 20 years, I've had um the dog truck training collars. I've got old ones there that probably just need new batteries. I've replaced batteries a few times in them over the years and that, but I've got the uh what are they called now? It's it's the four four colored buttons, um whatever it is. The dog training collar.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

Um is it sport dog?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

Man, I'm oh no, it's I'll have to um, yeah, I can't remember off the top of my head. But uh it's um yeah, I've often said, I wonder what their training train uh tracking gears like because I can get over a kilometer like you know, training a dog. There's no aerials or anything on them training collars, and they always pick up, they work a treat, uh, and built solid too.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

Yeah. Like I said, we haven't had any issues, but I do know that for a fact that there's over over 50 other people that have changed to dog true since we did. And they and they that's what they did. They were like, we're gonna see how you guys like it. And I was like, well, yeah, let me be the guinea pig, you know. And I I'm like, look, I I hate technology, I don't like it. You can ask, like Nate usually has the system. I don't even look at it. I don't know where the dogs are. I'll know when they when they pull up. When they got a hog pulled up, that's where they're at, and that's where I'm going. Other than that, they need to do their job and I'll do mine.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:41

And uh so it's like I get I get in trouble often. Yeah, I get in trouble often uh when we're out hunting, someone will go where the dogs are hang on, and I'll be turning my handpiece on. I'll connect them all at the start and then I'll turn it back off. And if I start getting marred, I'll turn them, turn it on that. But most of the time, I won't even turn that.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:00

hand piece on they're doing their job they're out there hunting like you know like you said but but it it has been we wound we had a really really good young dog and he wound up he got ran over we could not get we couldn't pick him up it was it was just a worse thing and I was like I'm never gonna get caught like this again you know and and we had just I think we just got the doctor at that time didn't we and but like we I was still running the Garmin I still had my Garmin stuff and I was like I said I'm now I'm never gonna use it again um just for the clarity factor um you don't have to have uh a map card you know here here we get a map card you know and it goes shows all the detail you just you can download or upload 7000 acres at a time and it's in very very vivid detail a saturation on your phone you know which Garmin does have the Garmin Explorer app and I've had people they argue that side of it and I'm like well look here's the deal if I pay eight hundred dollars for a handheld I don't want to have to get the phone to so I can so I can read it. So to me that defeats the purpose so if I'm going to use the phone I'm gonna pay $200 for the handheld these are half the price I mean half the price at least or or less I think like a one collar and a handheld is like $400. Yeah yeah that's that's a collar really in the transmitter yeah now you can buy the handheld it the compass is is is kind of like the Garmin 550 or something like that. It's just the compass shows the yardage and stuff but it has your tone and and correction buttons on it I think it's around $500 but like you can't buy a the the new 200 or the new 300 Garmin but Garmin 300i is $850 and it doesn't come with a collar you know used to you got the combo now it's $100 to start.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

And I think a collar is like $265 or $280 something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:10

It's less than $300 that's track and train that's not just a track yeah I thought there was like $230 that might have been our project but anyway like I said and we're all mainly all pig on us you know yeah haven't got the pocking we haven't got that deep of pockets shit no I wish I did my pockets are deep as hell but they're empty there ain't nothing in them I probably got a rock in them let's see what I got in my pocket today. Let's see I got sweatpants on check out this rock boys oh you did I thought I was moving I pick up a rock every day that's somebody got like four or five holes in it look at that I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:47

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:48

That's all I got I ain't got no money to move the pocket somebody tries to rob me they can have this rock or I'll hit them right in the fucking head with it one of the two no but yeah we're all trying to save a few bucks you know best we can uh and at one time you couldn't you couldn't have pride me away from Garmin I I I really do and I still like Garmin. I like everything the the setup I like everything about it but it I don't know how it is there but it's getting to where we cannot we just can't they don't pick up there's always an issue it's always I mean at 400 I mean how can you lose a dog at and I and we did it that one day I was doing some videos comparison videos I had a I had an alpha 100 I had a 200 and a 300 the 100 did way better than the new ones now the the alpha 100 we haven't had any really not many issues with that in the older T T 15s or the T T10s the T5s always pick up the the the the T5s it seems like they always pick up better. I I don't know what it is but and now Garmin is saying pretty much you know piss off you know we don't want to do any exchanges or anything you know they're they just put out a thing the what's it last week did you see it?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:14

Yeah where like you have to send it into Garmin you can't go through an authorized dealer to return anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:20

Now you got to go straight to the end yeah and it when I first emailed them in the last week um because I got two T5s there that they're just not working anymore and I was just um yeah wanted to see if they'll do that that changeover that you often hear about. I I've never had to do it but um I thought I'll give it a go and I haven't heard anything back as yet um but for that distancing and stuff like that I was talking to um one of the sale reps of Garmin here I was at an opening of uh gun shop or hunting supply shop um a few months ago and he was saying the the actual devices to make regulations in Australia they have to be dumbed down so much and you know they were saying the the vices themselves are able to do so much more but legally can't I'm not sure what's like over there for use but yeah that's that's the big issue here in Australia. And I'm not sure about them Japanese ones or Chinese ones and that and I'm sure the Doltra would have it sorted. They've been around for a while but hopefully they um you'd hope to start getting them all and then they just go we can't use these and wipe that frequency out or whatever they do. Well that that I don't that's a lot of dead money.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:45

That's my only concern with the EC they're made in Taiwan so that might give the the the pass there I don't know because I know a couple companies that I interviewed with and discussed with like they talk about getting drones and stuff like that and they do like land surveying sometimes of like public lands and like national parks. And so basically they could get a Chinese drone for half the price of an American drone but they would have to debug it basically because a lot of times China will just put a little chip in there and it's like send me all this information you take it. And so then they would have to send it to basically somebody who worked on drones for the military or basically like a military based service and get it more up to date technology wise before they could be permitted to fly it for like some of these natural park uh or like public land surveying projects. So uh definitely that was one concern that I had with the with the E seq is basically something going south and they're being like yeah they're spying on us with this you can't have it no more Wade's become a dealer now.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:53

Wade Holcraft he's become a dealer here he has the uh hound recovery antennas and he's become an E seq dealer and I asked I was like you know what do you think about it and he said man he's getting nine miles you know I was like that's you know of course Garmin says you know picks up nine miles you know but I've never had Garmin I have had him at certain times get several miles with a with a long range antenna in perfect conditions you know uh three or four miles but I've never had them really do much more than that but it's also the area we live in and uh one one of the main places we hunt we've had I couldn't tell you how many guests come with us and they have garments and their garments just will not work.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:39

They just I don't know if it's a magnetic field it's uh it's a bunch of coal mines and gas wells natural gas and the energy stuff and so I don't know if it's got something to do with that or what but they just don't work yeah um I know with uh the garments I use around here uh you do get a couple of drops out dropouts around like you said depends I've gone through a couple of creeks or whatever else I've had issues where they drop out around that 800 meters um I don't think it's been very rare I've seen anything over two kilometers is usually a question mark but 1.6 1.8 question mark yeah um that's pretty much all I get look without it I probably would have lost a lot of dogs that's just you keep going towards that question mark and then bang you'll pop up again um we're still good but what you're saying about the mines and all that stuff I know like I've got a drone as well and if I've set it up here at home and have a play with it I could probably get seven eight hundred meters and I'll start pixelating and start carrying on.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

I go out west I can get three kilometers four kilometers easy with that same drone so there's definitely something yeah with um yeah yeah yeah that's like I said it with the with the technology we have now it's definitely made it a lot easier for us uh customer service has has really gone downhill that's the main thing I seen that with the whole Garmin situation uh when car I I guess in like 2005 to 2010 I could just call Garmin. It's like hey I got a collar that got you know say a hog bit it or busted it or it got ran over or whatever. And uh yeah yeah and then they would just send me another one they I mean they there it didn't cost anything there was no there they just I sent them the old one and they sent me a brand new one. Yep completely just yeah that's perfect you know and that it was you like I said I was sold on Garmin for many many years and I I hate to leave them but like I said I gotta worry about my dogs too so it's uh but there's a lot of people worry about the dogs worry about your pocket worry about everything like I think for me to replace replace my whole setup now I think if I stuck with Garmin I think I'd be looking at four thousand plus dollars yeah right now that's that's that's a big hit that's a big hit for for for any of us you know like yeah yeah I I wouldn't be able to I think we got in business on this what what was this 700 or a thousand bucks for six collars right around a thousand we have five collars five collars and the transmitter for a thousand dollars and that's that's Doltra yeah brand new like I said five collars transmitters chargers whole nine yards and we were in business you know and if that had been Garmin it would have been uh three right at three thousand yeah you know yeah yeah and that's massive value it's it's a big difference so and not just that so if somebody has one for sale that's a used one it's it's even cheaper I mean like it's but you don't find very many you I haven't found very many used ones for sale uh there's a guy I had one the other day and I missed it. A friend of mine sent it to me and the guy had already sold it but it was two of the two of the transmitters and six collars for six hundred dollars yeah well I was like that's a great price yeah I was like dude I I I'm I he was like man I got a guy that's wanting to come get it this weekend I was like um I'll come get it right now you know I'm not I don't want to cut the other guy out but if he doesn't I said you let me know I'll I'll drive over there and pick it up right now for that price.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:50

I mean yeah have some extra collars you know oh it's you always need them you know they copper hiding out there in the field so it's definitely worth having a few spare oh yeah um I don't know what it's like over where you are but I reckon it's only been the last 12 months I reckon Garmin have probably had anyone nipping at their heels and that's with them e-tex and the the dog track if they advertise them not advertising very hard over here they're not here either and if they did if they did there'd be there's so many hunt like yeah we don't have it on there my father died yeah it actually says baying a hog it doesn't say treat it says baying hog and that's it even if the dog is still moving some but not like even if it's not set still even if the dog is moving in a small area it'll say baying a hog or if there's multiple dogs barking together.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:52

You can do like custom presets so depending on the style of hog dog you run like I have ours set up to where it'll show treat as well because some sometimes some dogs treat occasionally on some things they ought not be or sometimes they just do so you can kind of like you can kind of make it what you want it to it's and what about the unit themselves on the dogs are they um much much alike to the very similar elf now a lot smaller uh they're more like the older like the training collars they're smaller they got the rounded edges they don't have the square edges so uh yeah he's got one right there to show you you can get it off charge but yeah that's one another thing that I like is they're they're smaller and they change the the rubbers different on like that connects the GPS I don't know how well you can see oh yeah like I mean yeah it's in the palm of my hand there it's it's it's be it's between a full size and a mini if you ask me now they make they make a mini size as well but it's very similar to the same very very similar yeah and another thing I like about the dog tra now looking at it is like on a uh on a Garmin collar when they have that strap they're good they have the flimsier buckle and they have like the little bitty square keeper whereas on these they have a roller buckle and they have a big D ring and then they have a little keeper. They actually have the yeah have a D ring where you can if you wanted to clip to it and that that's a strap straight from dog trail we haven't swapped them out because a lot of times we get a garment cover we have to what about the aerials on them uh oh yeah yeah it looks like Google Maps is that a standard aerial like a what do you mean an antenna on on the call yeah the antenna on the collar itself i almost everything off a Garmin will work on the like the handheld a Garmin antenna will go right on the the transmitter and they all take the same yeah right same antenna same aerial same every like I said it's beautiful a lot of it's very similar it's kind of funny how similar it is you know so I don't yeah I don't know but I like I said we're enjoying it that's for sure but I'd enjoy that price it's like I said it's yeah it's definitely uh because for a new TT25 there's 350 plus tax and like I said I think those are 265 or 280 something like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:23

I know they're less than three so yeah they're two I think they're 265 I'm gonna say those 265 yeah because I don't think they were too so I mean and uh they're tracking units they might not be proven as such to a lot of hunters and that but like I was saying before I know that the the zapping collars the training zappers I've had for years they're bulletproof they are they are definitely well made aren't they?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:47

Yeah what surprised us or what I guess you would say is once we started talking about it and how many people are already running it there were people that I people that I've been knowing for a long time they were like oh yeah we run Doctor I was like really they're like man we got tired of Garmin they said but a lot of them they just didn't say nothing they were like well people a lot of bird hunters used it and a lot of rabbit hunters guys that that have cocktails you know run beagle packs and stuff they were all using it and I was like well I don't I don't know the the cell phone was a big deal you know I was like I don't want to deal with that shit it's easy it's it's very easy and and the batteries you've got yeah well that's good too but I don't know what the the deal with the phone is everyone's always got a phone on them that's that's what that's exactly right and and the thing about it you can you can actually record your whole track all day long the whole race yeah all right go back and watch how that dog ran that track see how he jumped how what little moves he makes there's a lot of there's a lot of good stuff with it that I like so but so if you can connect that app to your um to your phone I'm dare say you can just connect it to a uh iPad or something in your buggy as well and it's just Bluetooth just have it all set up it's it's just Bluetooth and then if you like your devices are compatible if they're newer and they have the screen sharing you wouldn't even have to like because you can only Bluetooth the handheld to one device at a time but then you could just screen share it and it would it would work fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:28

But once once it's in your like we've got two different handhelds and so once we we entered them in my phone like even if I haven't used the the number one handheld I had say I hadn't used it in 10 hunts and it's got 10 different dogs in it as soon as I turn it on I don't have to enter anything like I don't have to like swap I don't have to do that I just turn it on and it's connected. As the memory all the dogs are there like we didn't hunt with uh with Ian for several weeks and we had shared his dogs or he had shared you know got some of our dogs in his and I talked him into buying the Doltra and he turned it on he said dude all your dogs are still in mine I was like yeah it won't pop up if they don't pick them up but if it shows the collars on it goes hey I know that one show you yeah yeah yeah there's like I said there's a lot a lot of good stuff to it that I like it and it it's probably not for everybody but you know we uh we enjoy it so far and we've had it two years now right at two years right at two yeah going on two years oh yeah look that's I give give it a good trial then yeah that's that's good to hear and then before that I wouldn't really tell anybody a whole lot they'd ask and I'd be like yeah we like it you know but I wouldn't get in depth on it now which I did a couple of videos and I I I need to do another one to kind of update everybody about it because like that's yeah that's what we're gonna stick with for unless something else just really comes out that's not that expensive and it has to be better. I don't know how that's gonna be so you know it's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:07

So tell us uh well if Dogtra hear this if dogtra hear this bloody uh I know send me send me some through I'll review them for you mate hey that's listen what I don't understand why Dogtra is not jumping on board with hog hunters because we buy more callers absolutely you know we all got shitty dogs and we got like 10 of them everybody's buying they're taking all their money and buying all these collars they ought to sponsor at least us you know yeah just send us a just one good collar I'd be happy with one they could send you a whole setup be like here go try it out but I don't know we might need to might need to get some kind of business proposal drawn up and just send it to them be like hey look here because I know I've had a lot of people change because of me and my mouth talking shit they they if we could that's one thing I've noticed um start starting this podcast that it it reaches a lot more ease than what you realize.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:08

Yes yeah it uh when you when you have people call you from other countries uh other parts of the world and you know they just they send you a message to be like hey man I listen to you all the time you know thanks we appreciate what you're doing that that's when it really starts setting in you know like well man we are we're making an impact out there you know it's yeah yeah definitely we try to of course we don't we don't make a bunch of money or nothing doing this you know we just enjoy doing it you know how it goes yeah yeah absolutely because if if we made a bunch of money doing this then uh probably wouldn't be doing a podcast I'd be out hunting somewhere getting paid yeah yeah yeah so tell tell us a good some a couple of good hunting stories we always want to hear good hunting stories something something really good stories yeah something pretty wild or something different whatever well and don't start telling no lies either be honest I just see that he'll look at me he's like oh hell he knows I know how I know how thick hunters are they start stretching it they get that yarn going hey we're not we're not fishermen fishermen eh um well I've got one we'll I'll talk about uh I wanted to say earlier when we're talking about dogs when you're sitting there and that dog is laying there that uh and the pig was laying in the mud you know and she was just barking um uh a lot of years ago that dog I was talking about that um I could call off pigs and he would sit back and that um before he was born it was actually his father I was out hunting with um it was me and my brother in law we had him old buddy and my brother in law's dog uh Dodge he was um

SPEAKER_01 1:29:00

It was the biggest balance dog you'll you'll ever see. It was about 55 kilos, this dog, fantastic nose. And um he'd pick he'd pull up a pig on the run and hang it, but if that pig turned on him, he would not touch it, eh? Unless another dog was there, he'd just sit there and deep big ballow bark on him. And uh me and my brother-in-law would drive along one night, and old Dodge, he's floated off the back of um back of the Ute. And so we pulled up, we heard a hitter. And I pulled the pin on on my dog, and we would have taken two steps, and the brother-in-law's rolled his ankle like fucking cracker. And um, he's thrown me up his hand piece and goes, You're gonna have to go out there. And this was um the older ones, you I don't know, like your 320 hand pieces, Garmin 320s and that. Um, if you could pair them, we didn't know how to, so we just I just ran out holding holding the two hand pieces. And that my dog was with me. Obviously, you couldn't hear the hit up anymore or the bark of that other dog. And those I was running out, oh buddy, he's beard off to the right, and thinking, oh, I've got to go to this other dog. And I would have ran out, oh, it would have been about a kilometer. And this bloody dog has got this bore about 80 kilos baled up. It's in the water and he's just sitting there barking, barking. And in the meantime, I'm looking at my collar on my dog, and he's probably 800 meters away from me. And he's three quarry. I'm like, fuck. This dog won't leave. I'm contemplating on should I just run back and the laziness come on, come off of me. Like I didn't want to run all the way to Buddy to run all the way back to this other dog. So I just sort of swam out into the water and come around behind this pig. And uh, as I grabbed the pig by the tail, that dog came in and had a go then, and I finished the pig off. And then I started running back to my dog. And this was a kind of warmer night, and when I rocked up there, I've come across this little um bit of bush, and there's a good black and white boar, and he was about the same size as the one we just got, and I just seen him laying there. And going back a lot of years, the headlamps we had back then weren't as good as what we've got now. So I'm sort of trying to focus in. And when I look closer, my dog's he's laying down, he's wrecked with the ball laying on top of him. They're both just laying there, the ball on top of him, just getting their breath back. As soon as I grabbed the ball by the tail, it's jumped up and buddy's jumped up, and both dogs grabbed this pig, and I finished him off. And um, as I'm walking back to the car, I've lost the other hand piece. Because I've got the cradle for mine and my chest, you know, my brother-in-law's hand piece has gone missing. I'm thinking, where could this be? And like I said, couldn't connect them together or anything like that. So I was um sort of having to backtrack anyway. Looked around for the rest of the night. I couldn't find them. And um, I just marked where I was, and about a week later, I'd I'd come back out for another hunt. And that water that I went swimming in, it I dropped it there, and I reckon for about 15 minutes I was duck diving and swimming at, and I found the piece in the water, and um it obviously had gone flat, but um it never leaked, it kept working after it charged it up again, never had no damage or anything to it. So yeah, after um after talking about Garmin, there's a little shout out for him, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:45

Oh, yeah, that's that handpiece was still good.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, any crazy stories, though. Sort of you can't really think of anything at the moment.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:57

No, it's just kind of everybody does. I put them on the spot, you know. I'm just like, hey, what and it and it's like the same thing. So from now on, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna start texting everybody or messaging be like, listen, we've got to have one good story. Think about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:11

Yeah, yeah. I do, I do the same bloody thing. Um really, I've got um, I can't really think but much more past um that trip I just done last weekend where we got 141 for that trip. It was yeah, that was um what was your biggest? That was full on the biggest. Um, we left them all in the paddock, but on the trot, I think there would have been one, it would have come close to 90 kilo.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:37

That's pretty good. Um, a hundred and yeah, the average yeah, yeah, just yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:45

Um got them off the chick piece double, so yeah. Lot of them would have been good eating. It was a waste, waste of pig, but you know, no one wants them, so what else can I do with them?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:58

Um but yeah, the average the average size would have been around that 30, 40 kilo on the trot. So um yeah, it was good for the younger dogs and yeah. Yeah, that uh actually um that that bull arab that Baden sent over. Yeah, do you know anything about him at all?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:21

Um that camera mark. Yeah, P PJ's got him out there in California. PJ's California. Yeah, he's yeah, yeah. He's been doing good from what I know. I mean, I hadn't I know the other night they had him out, he's he was he hung a good one. Uh but I I haven't I don't know much more. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:39

Yeah, well the bloke that was taking us hunting last weekend on that block, he has the litter sister to that dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:50

Um unbelievable. I think they're around that 11 month old now. Uh and you know, them numbers, consistent numbers, living on that block. That bitch was unbelievable. I'm just going, doing backflips on the back of the youth as soon as she got a scent, run on, catch anything. And we were going through some um sandridges where it was really thick. She was very impressive for her age. Um, so hopefully that dog over there's got the same drive as her. I was very impressed with that bitch.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:22

I will I believe he does, you know, from what from what I've seen, the videos and stuff that that I've got, I mean, he's doing the damn deal. You know, he's he's definitely doing it. So I don't know how strong their I don't know how strong their numbers are out there, but I know they have big hogs. They have really, really big hogs. They'll uh a lot of 300-pound boars, you know, uh, that'd be 100 blowing up, you know. That's that's pretty big.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:51

Oh, yeah, definitely. Um, I've got a story for you. One just clicked in my head. Uh um years ago, um this was before tracking collars and stuff like that, just the old dolphin torch on a rope and all the rest of it. Uh I got invited to go for a hunt with a couple other young fellas. Um at the time I had a very handy, handy uh, she was um similar breeding actually um to what I've got now, but had um it was bully massive dane instead of the bully Arab Dane. Um she was a bit heavier set to dogs I run now. Um fantastic nose on her, good honest bitch she was. Um 30, 34 kilos, I think her working weight was. So yeah. Um and these young boys picked us up. They said, oh, they've been trying to catch a decent pig, um, been blowing him a lot. So I said, yeah, no worries, I'll come. But I don't want to, you know, I had to work the next day. I said, no mangroves. I don't want to be around any mangroves. And I said, no, no, no, this is it's a good bush block. Went right, oh. So um we're driving around. We had uh cane on one side of us and a and a bit of bush. Well, it looked like a bush where I was. I had a couple of um them wonderful Bundaberg rum tinnies in me that is all love over there. And uh um the old bitch, she floats off and starts running through the bush, uh the scrub there. I went, all right, this is all right. So we've pulled up and I ran through, and this finger of bush wouldn't have been 30 meters, and then on the other side of that was just mud flaps for about 300 meters, and then mangroves. And you could see where the pigs had already left the cane and gone in, um gone into all these mangroves. So we drove as far as we could without getting bogged, and we got to the edge, edge of these mangroves, and I could I could hear her on a pig. So I started going in there, and and one of the mates, the blokes with me, he goes, I'll come in with you, so um give you a bit of hand on it. No ways. And his dog um was sort of trying to walk through and navigate through the mangroves as well, and it started getting that thick where I was probably about a meter and a half off the ground, just like climbing through it more so than walking through the mud. Um when I finally got to as far as I could, um, it's a uh local creek system around here full of crocodiles, um, Murray Creek. Um I come to it was a narrow area, probably about 20 meters across, and she was on the other side um on a pig. And I'm trying to um trying to call her back, trying to she wouldn't leave it. And then I heard heard the pig break and she's gone deeper in. And I just sit there calling her, calling. I didn't want to cross this water because uh not only have you got full of crops, it's also got bull sharks and everything else in it. Um so while I'm standing there, the mozzies are coming in that heavy. I'm just grabbing big cakes of the mud, I'm just rubbing them all around my neck, putting it all in my hair, up my arms, that trying to cover up. Uh it um after about like an hour or something, finally the bitch she comes to the other edge, she's blown the pig, she's come back to us, but she wouldn't. The other side, the embakement was too high, she didn't want to jump in or come across. So she was just standing. I'm trying to egg her to come over and that, she wouldn't. So I ended up um jumping in the water. You wouldn't have done it the age I am now, but when you're 18, 19 year old and yeah, you've you've got that courage with you. Um I ended up waving across the the water there, and the whole time that little dolphin torch, I'm sort of looking around that for a set of eyes coming towards me or anything like that. And I was that's right, I was shuffling my feet across the mud as well on the bottom because uh I didn't want to be standing on a stingray or something like that and put a barb in my leg. Uh and I finally got to the other side. She wouldn't, I was too slippery to climb up, and she kept pulling back on me. I couldn't grab her. So I looked down the down the creek system, I seen it tapered off a bit. So I waded back to the mangroves, climbed through the mangroves, and had to cross again to grab her, to pull her back. Um, when I finally got back to my mates, um, I was in there for three hours and uh I come out covered in mud, and that they loved having a good crack calling me the mangrove. What was it? Mangrove man. Mangrove man, come back.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:34

Oh and it's the first day you said you did not want to get the mangroves, and that's where you went.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:39

No, that's exactly where we went. And um I um dined for a glass uh bottle of water and that, and they were sitting there waiting that long. They got sick of drinking piss, so they drank all the water, and all that was left was a couple more rumbos. So unfortunately, that's all I had to drink.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:57

Rumbos, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. Well, that's that's pretty good. So uh y'all got too much shit over there that will bite you. Everything there will bite you, or sting you, or stick you.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:12

It's definitely it's definitely um the environment you grow up in, because I find it funny. I always hear um Americans that say that about Australia, but it's just how what we feel is right. And I think myself, like you've got the bears, uh, the lions over there, the mountain lions, and and everything else. Um, I think myself, oh, like to go camping with, you know, like to go to Alaska or something like that, but then brown bears go from oh fucking scary.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:43

Yeah, the the the brown bears definitely are hold. We we've got there's some cats and then, you know, black bears. And we have honey bears here, which are a very small bear. And you don't you very seldom will you see them where we actually live at, but just just to the north of us, I mean, like drive two hours any direction, and you're gonna be in the bears, in the black bears. But to get brown bears or anything, you know, like you said, you got to get up to Alaska and stuff. But uh I grew up in another state and it was all Delta area. And the black bears will scare the shit out of you too if you go camping. Like you said, I woke up, got out, climb out of the tent as a you know, 12-year-old kid, and there's a black bear in the cooler just tearing all your shit up. What do you do? I mean, you just leave him alone, you know. And uh, but it's also the environment you're raised in. You know, my dad gets up, he's hollering, get out of here, you son of a bitch. You know, he's hollering at the bear, like, and I'm like, dude, he's gonna eat you. He's like, Oh, he's not gonna bother you. It's a bear. Yeah. You know, but then again, we've got uh a few gators here and there, but we try to stay away from anywhere that there's gators.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:58

Uh, but other than that, oh, them gators, them gators you've got over there. I see videos all the time, people swimming with them and that. You good luck doing that with the salty hair. Yeah, no way. No, no, they're very aggressive, very aggressive.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:16

Yeah, like you said, these guys they jump in there and they swim, they grab them, pick them up under their chin. I'm like, fuck, yeah. Y'all do that's something I don't know. I'm not doing that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:26

No, no way, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:28

Yeah, I'm not doing that shit. So, but no, that that's good stories, man. Um you got anything else you want to you want to discuss or talk about? We've got about almost two hours in.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:42

Oh um no, I'm I'm pretty content. Um that um I don't know, I haven't I haven't listened to all your podcasts. There's a lot of them there. Oh, yeah um, I didn't really start um I didn't really start getting into the podcast world and that with hunter. Oh at the start I didn't even realize anyone else had um had podcasts out about hunting with pig dogs and as such. Um I started looking and I started, I found um it would have been oh probably end of 24, 2024. I started um finding the likes of you and um uh there was another one there. Um I think um it was in Australia. That was later on, I think that was more 25. But yeah, there wasn't a great deal. And I was you're always hearing about the archery and shooting, different things and that. I was like, I really want to listen to hunting with dogs and like hear about different breeds of dogs and all the rest, not just your bird dogs and and um I've listened to a lot about with your with your coons and stuff like that, but um, I wanted to hear about pigging and that um that's the main reason why I started um chasing boar tails here in Australia. Um, you know, it's just something to listen to. And since then um all these other ones are popping up, and it's so good. Like I do a lot of driving, so it's always good to um sit back and listen to um different episodes, different um different um ways people hunt and different dogs they love. And you know, every everyone's got their best pack in their yard at the time, and you know, no one's got better dogs than all the rest of it. And and uh the banter between hunters, I I fucking I love it. I love fucking.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:39

It can be some bullshit for real.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:43

But no, that that's it's the same thing. Like when I found out like like you had one, and then there's a couple others that popped up, I was like, good, that's that's great. Yeah, and believe it or not, though, we've had people call us, they're like, Do you believe these guys are doing a podcast? I was like, Well, shit, I hope so. You know how hard it is to be able to listen to one? Well, there was there wasn't any other ones when we started. Like, we started five five years ago now, six, six years. We've been doing this for like six years.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:12

Yeah, that's gone strong.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:13

Yeah, so it's like the first couple of years we did, you know, it was just here and there. Uh, but well, we didn't listen, we didn't have nothing to listen to but ourselves. And then um Houseman XP, they started doing a few. So we listened to some of the things.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:30

That's the one I was thinking of, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:31

Yeah, and but you know, they have a large variety of what they do, and there's not a lot about pig dogging. So it was like, well, we stay content on this. We still have other dogs in, but and the reason we do that is because we have so many other listeners, you know, and we try to try to incorporate a little bit of everything. We started out only hog dogs, that's all we were doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:55

And I was like, you know, we hunt other stuff as well, so you know, we'll mix it up a little bit, and a lot of it's just it's good tales, it's listening to, like you said, the other guys talk and how their dogs are and how they hunt and all the all the trash talking and the bullshit. It's it's a good time, you know. I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:16

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, uh it's definitely enjoyable. Um with this um chasing boar tails. When when I first started it, I thought, oh, you know, I I started just bringing on one every every two weeks, every fortnight I'd bring one out. And um the I was just inundated by people. Can you bring out more? Can you try to do one a week? And so I started I'd done one a week, and man, now I've got them. Can you do two a week? Um one a week is more than enough. Oh, between the rest of life and everything else.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:54

Oh, yeah, they they don't like a lot of people don't realize like this is not all we do. We had to work, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:59

No, no, yeah, yeah. I wish this was all I could do.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:02

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:04

I think the most we ever got up to doing is to try to do four or five. Now it was two full lengths, and then basically would have like uh some fill-ins. Yeah, have just like some shorts take educational stuff in the middle. So basically would have like uh tech Tuesdays, just go over like new technology stuff, and then like I think it was on Thursday, or it might have been on Friday, I don't remember, would go over like some disease or some worm or a parasite or just something like that. Just something shorter, you know, two to ten minutes, 15 minutes instead of being the full length.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:41

But we were doing, you know, yeah, four three, three to five a week, and they were like, we need more. I'm like, look, that's it, like that's that's all we can do, man. Like it that's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:53

Well, if they if they need more, jump across the chasing boy tiles and yeah, I'm gonna listen to them.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:01

There's a lot of listeners, and that's what I tell them all the time. I'm like, look, go listen. And now there's a couple, there's a few that are diehard, they're oh, we don't listen to nothing else. I'm like, well, you're why not? Like, go listen to something else. They're like, we get hate mail because we don't put out enough episodes. I'm literally, I get cussed out. Like, I'll get guys calling me, you're an asshole, you know, Bob. I'm like, bro, like you need to calm down. First off, you know, stop your shit. And and I talk to everybody like that. I think that's why they do it. You know, because I just I'm just me. And I don't know. I've had people's wives call me and they're like, man, my husband loves listening to y'all. He sits outside drinking beer around the fire listening to y'all. I'm like, yeah, he needs to go hunting. He needs he needs to go do something. But no, man, it's I'm glad you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:58

Um yeah, me too. Um, no, it's it's been fun, it's been real good. I've just say February last year started, so yeah, about 16, 16, 80 months, whatever it is. So yeah, it's been it's been a great adventure. Um I've uh a couple of times there, I've been up late, like come home from work or something. I better get one scheduled in for the following morning when it's due. And I'll be lazy scheduling it in and say it's 9.30 at night. So I'll just change the aim and send it off thinking, oh, what's an extra hour and a half? I've had people text me going, what's going on? They're waiting, refreshing Spotify for eight o'clock, waiting for it to come on. What's going on? You're not having one out this week. And we're like, oh mate, it'll be there.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:47

It's it's unbelievable. We got a couple of and and not love it. I love it. Thanks for the love, everyone out there. It's fucking unreal.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:56

And it keeps it keeps you motivated because you're like, shit, we gotta put it. Absolutely, it does. Like, gotta get on it. Because there's times where like we get so busy and we travel, you know, like you said, you drive a lot, so we we travel and hunt, and then we're working, and then we're doing this, and then we got all the dogs, we got all the properties that we have to maintain. Sometimes there's just not enough hours in the day. Uh, there's there's times where I'll sit in and do podcasts by myself while Nate's taking care of something else. And you know, everyone's well, where's Nate? Like, guys, and then the the people that come and hunt with us or come and stay a weekend, they understand. You know, they're like, holy shit, this is how y'all do this. I'm like, yeah, we're taking it easy right now. You know, it's it's busy. We stay busy.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:45

But uh Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:47

But but it makes you feel good when people are like, hey, what what's going on? You know, why why we not got this?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:52

Oh, I really appreciate yeah, absolutely, really appreciate it. It's good. Um I uh you always expected, I was expecting to cut cat uh cop a lot of hate, hate letters and messages and carry on and that, but yeah, it's it's all love, really. Most of it will be. It's been fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:10

Yeah, it took us, it took me to what last year to get anybody that was a hater, I guess you'd say, would be an asshole. And it was only it's only been just one or two. And it's just because they're they're jealous and and I kill them with kindness. I I don't entertain the arguing or nothing. I'm like, hey, if you need some help with something, let me know and I'll help you. Like I I have no reason to argue a fight with you, you know. Like I'm over, I'm too old for that shit anyway. Now, but I don't talk shit. I'm gonna talk shit about all of them. That's what we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, well, we appreciate you uh taking your time and doing this. And and well, like I said, we'll definitely we'll flip around and we'll do one on yours here in a in a week or two. That way we're not all scheduled on time.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:58

Sounds real good.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:59

Yeah, it's uh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:02

It's it's been uh thanks for having me on, fellas. Um yeah, it's been really good. Um, and any of your listeners and that, um, yeah, I'm on Spotify and yeah, um, Instagram as well, just chasing board tails on there. Jump over and have a look. I've got a few little videos there. I've got a link there. Um that links to Rumble. I've got a couple little videos there. Um, nothing big. I'm no um no director or anything like that. It's just a bit of footage I put together with me, my young fella, or whoever else I've got with me. Yeah, just um give people an idea of what we do.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:37

I have to check it out. Yep, everybody out there, make sure y'all go check it out. This guy hunts nude sometimes too uh in his videos. He might he might have a loincloth on, he might be completely nude, so y'all go check it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:50

Definitely, definitely check it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:52

Hey, Adrian, we appreciate you, brother. Thanks, sir.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:56

No worries, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:57

All right, we'll see you.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:00

See you, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:01

All right.