EP. 226 Raul Cabreja

In this episode we have on Raul Cabreja again! Plotts, Beagles and Dogos are his bread and butter. We check back in with him to see what he's been up to and where he plans on going with the future of his pack!

Raul's FB: https://www.facebook.com/raul.cabreja

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:40

All right, everybody, here we have Dixie Doggers Podcast coming to you again. Got one of our old guests on here. We've had we drove him around one time before. We had him on here and we talked a bunch of good stuff. This time we're gonna talk some, I don't know, it's gonna be kind of on the line of good stuff. I don't know. You never know. We're fixing to let it roll. We got the uh the world famous Raul Cabreja with us tonight. Him and him Brindle dogs. So what's how you know, Mr. Raul, what you doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Man, we're doing all right. Um I don't know about world famous, but we're doing all right, sir. Um appreciate, I appreciate the uh chance to let me come on here again.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

I mean no problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Um mind-balled, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

Reaching out to um interview me.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

No, that's uh well, I mean, you you you got good dogs. You hunt all the time. That's kind of the qualifications of what we're looking for for our guests. We want somebody that actually does the stuff. We have had a few of them that were fakers. We've had a few of them that were haters, but uh we we try not to mess with none of those if we can help it. We don't we don't like all that kind of stuff. We like the real ones that are out here making it happen. So, all right. So let's uh let's start out by going over your background again because like it's been a it's been a long time since you've been on. Uh two years. Yeah, I was gonna say it's been a long time. So kind of go over who you are, what you do, where you came from, how you got into these dogs. Just give us a little backstory on your life.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Well, I'm gonna start with something I'm going to backtrack to the good dog thing. I mean, I just got regular dogs, I just hunt them hard, dude. I wouldn't say I got good dogs. My dogs are just as good as anybody's dogs. I just might be putting a little more time and effort on it. That just might be it. I do believe there's people out there with great dogs and not getting all the potential of them. That's out of the way, yeah. I do hunt a lot. I already said that. Um man, I'm 33 now. I'm getting old. I'm getting old. I'm 33 now. Um, I'm originally from Cuba. If you don't know what that is, that's an island in the Caribbean. I got here to the States when I was 16 years old. There's a lot of political oppression in that island, so. And it's just miserable. So I got here when I was 16, lived in Miami for 11 years. I had a few beagles down in Miami in an apartment, you know, and I realized I had some hunting dogs. Um, watching a lot of meat eater. Do you know Kevin Murphy? Mm-hmm. You know Kevin? Yeah, from Kentucky. Okay, yeah. So Kevin Murphy is the one that made me realize I could hunt my dogs. Okay. You know, I had a friend, I was trying to get into deer hunting already, and then watching deer shows and all, you know, I found them. And I said, huh, I got some beagles. So another funny story, Kevin Murphy invited me to go hunt here with him.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

Really?

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Um two weeks ago. Yes, sir. I found a hilarious man. I told him the whole story. He said, Man, you got a story. We talked for about two hours on the phone. Man, that yeah, he's one, he's one of my mentors, though. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Now that's pretty cool there. Kevin's uh he's a big dog now. Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's I I would I got some mentors that you know are not my mentors and they don't even know they are, but they are. That's how I have learned, you know. So nothing much I had the Beagles and all, and then I realized I couldn't just go out of my backyard and hunt in Miami. Um, nonetheless, I couldn't have so many dogs. And then we started looking for property in the country outside of Florida, and we found this place here in Georgia, and then slowly but surely um the dog hunting grew up on me. And uh, you know, I had I put my beagles up in the summertime and in the spring and summer. This place right here has got a lot of rattlesnakes, and I'm thinking a lot, it's famous for the rattlesnakes, apparently. Um so you know, I was trying to find some some other kind of dogs to run and listening to the Houndsman XP podcast. Uh, when it first started, I mean, those are some of my mentors too, I will say. Uh, Chris Powell's the grandfather of dog podcasting. I always say this. I like their show. And then I started listening to their stuff, and then there's a few hogs around here and all. And there it went.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Got me some plot puppies. There you go. So, what made you get the plots just from hearing and you know, listening to other people? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Yes, yes. So I I I'm a pretty invested guy. When I invest my time on something, I I know it to make anything decent, you gotta put a few years of your life on it, you know. So knowing that I was gonna get into another type of hunting other than big uh rabbit hunting, I started listening to them, trying to find what breed would suit me, you know, for what I wanted to do. I just wanted strictly hog hunt. I was working in a sand pit that was a mine, and they had some extra land dude that's ate up with hogs. So I used to go and shoot them and all, you know, and I just heard them talking a lot about the plot breed and how great they were, and how could they do it all, and you know, and that made me start looking for a plot dog. And I did some research on the internet about the breed. I watched some videos, bear hunting. You know, I did my homework, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

And uh I started looking for breeders. This is a fact now. I went into the plot pages like everybody does when they want a plot dog, or you know, you can look on a Facebook group, and I remember trying to inquire about pubs that were there for sale. I mean, I can remember us as if I'm looking at it now, scrolling, you know, looking for pubs, posts, you know, pups or sale. And I reached out a few people, but there was a red flag every time. And it's that they wouldn't they wouldn't want to show them dogs for more than one time. Because if I if I'm gonna get a dog out of your dogs and it's got this, all this paperwork and all, and it's great dogs, and he's really good, I would like to see him. You know, I'm trying to get invested in it. So that was the biggest red flag. Some people, some people even, you know, I would ask for videos and pictures, you know, but mainly videos of Ben Running Game or whatever. The sire, the ham, whatever, camp folks, all of that. Some people will send you a short video, 15 second, 30-second video, you know, nothing exciting. But in the at least you've seen the dogs, you know, getting with game. And some other folks, to be honest with you, will tell me that they specifically somebody I didn't even want to say it. But um, it told me that no, I don't take no videos or pictures of me, dogs with game. Man, and this person, it it, you know, I I don't like calling people up, but this person is just selling papers anyway. That's that anyway. I lost my train of thought. I went elsewhere.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

I'm gonna lose my train of thought a few times here, so help me with it.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Oh, I got you.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Yeah, that uh so when you have somebody that doesn't want to produce, now me, I'm one of those, I'm like, I don't do a whole lot of videoing on some of my dogs because uh they're they're out there hunting. You know, I I can't really video them. But yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take some pictures and I take pictures of the the tracking system and I'll do a little video and talk about what we done that day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can see what you see if you like them. That that I mean that's it. There's nothing to hide.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

They're dogs. So on my search, I found longshore oak rich candles, you know. And I was a preacher long short. So I got in touch with him through Facebook. Um, his granddaughter is the one in charge of, you know, dealing with the people. It's tough dealing with people. And he's got a lot of things going on to be dealing with people at this point. That's a lot. Um, so I reached out. I mean, she put me on the list. They do keep a list. I gave him the down payment. And about seven months later or so, she got in touch and said, Pups have been born. There's one here for you. And then a few weeks later, she reaches out and she's like, Your pup died, you know. I mean, it didn't make it. So she asked me if I wanted my money back or just to wait. And then I, you know, patiently waiting for my first plot dog. I mean, I want to have a nap. But I mean, I mean, I'm I'm waiting. I'm waiting here. And uh a few months later, then she comes back and touched. Hey, we got pups, you got number two on this list, and she sent me a bunch of pictures. This thing's were two weeks old, you know, and I just pick one, and the rest is history. That's how I got into the plots.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

So, what was your first one? What was it, male or female? What was his name?

SPEAKER_03 10:34

It's a female, it's one currently I have. Her name is Smoke. Smoke is a yellow female. I'm I'm always posting her. Um, I started that thing. I mean, she was six weeks old. I've never started a big game dog or any type of, you know, something like that. I was in the process of getting my Beagle pack to get her, if it makes any sense. So I had a young pack, so you know, I was I now I got my pack. And then I had her. She um, and she's turning out to be nice, you know. Put a lot of years of work on her. Been putting a lot of years of work on her. Uh she's four now. Four years old. Four now, sir. Yes, sir. She is whatever she is, there's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

She's always she's always treeing something or catching something.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

So I got a hog. There's a hog. I mean, and well, this thing is I will say 350. We're gonna wait him. You talk about a trashy dog boy. I took this dog.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

That you said, was it that picture you posted the other day, or that big old hog?

SPEAKER_03 11:45

I think I sent it to Nate.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Yeah, you sent it to you. Yeah, the one I showed you sitting out there by the road. Oh my god. Did y'all catch it?

SPEAKER_03 11:52

No, not yet.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

I was thinking, Lord, have mercy.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

I I tried him the first time with pups. Yeah. Um, the oldest one, I mean, I had five dogs last year. I only got one standing out of that group.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

You know what I mean? And he's two and a half. There's average, there's above average, and there's your superstars. I'm looking for above average and superstars. I wouldn't say I have any superstars, you know. But I took them young dogs up yonder, and uh, and they got him jump. I mean, nice. They ran him. Do you know how long this thing ran? So he ran 11 miles and some change. The dogs kind of lost him. I put it on him again. He ran about six some more miles, and it was early. I mean, not early, 11 something in the morning. I just pulled him out. He can run, boy.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

We went the uh the following week, just looking for him, Joey. I mean, just looking for him. I just this hog, there's trail cameras everywhere in this place. He don't come up to the trail cameras, it's got feet all the time. He just don't come to him. So we look for a track. We found something. It rained, so we found something, and it wasn't something workable. We look for this hog. It's 1300 acres. We look for this hog all over. We cut I cut him loose. I cast, I mean, I I cast the smoke. This is a story now. That's the second time. I cast the smoke every time, and she was just trying to treat Kings. But she got three armadillos though. Three of them. I'm wrong now. I mean, he and beat it, man. Meek Dog.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Uncle Pat will be proud.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Oh man, she got three of them. I knew, I know that if she would have crossed his track or something of him, she so I'm gonna tell you now, she's gonna be the star of that show, and that's my coon hound. That's my main coon though. So that's her. I mean, I compete with her. I don't know if you know Brett Denny. You know Brett Denny, you interviewed Brett Denny. Okay. So yeah, I hunt at Brett's club, so it's just pretty tough up there, you know. That's the main place I hunt at, PKC. And we got a club here at home now. We have some hunts. So that's her, that's her story. Uh, I'm I'm trying to achieve a goal this year with her. I would like to keep it a secret because I'm achieving it at the moment. And I got a few more months, and a lot of things gotta keep on going the right way.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

It's not just the dog, it's life. Uh, and once I achieve my goal with her, um I'm and I'm going to retire her, kind of, not really. I'm gonna keep her as my pleasure dog. Yeah, but from the hunts, night hunts, and then I'm gonna make her one of my main bear dogs because she can trail joke. She can trail, she can treat. She's got, I would say, 90-95% average on not missing hercoons. All dogs will miss a raccoon. It's just if you hunt them hard enough, they're gonna miss trees. Yeah, I don't know what's up with that, but as far as her averages, she's pretty accurate. So imagine a bear, you know, it's like a hundred raccoons together scent. Yeah, it's a lot, you know, and she's gonna be my. I mean, you cast this thing by herself, you know, she'll rig. I mean, I I mean, so I got another one coming behind her for next year. So that's what I plan to do with her, to have fun with her. She's been having fun. I have been having the time of my life, Joey. That was a process making a tune hound from a puppy out of a plot. Now, let me tell you something. The plot was bred right. The dog was bred right. The jeans was there. I mean, she don't walk on water, she cannot lay them up. She tries, though. I mean, she's gonna try her best. You can leave her as she's gonna try. But um, yeah, I'm pleased.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

That's good.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

I'm pleased. I mean, I feel blessed to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

So that line of dogs there, Raul, that the history on those, were they were they more for bred more for coon hounds or bear hounds or a mixture or what?

SPEAKER_03 16:28

All right, Papa was trying to keep the breed as a breed it is, a trashy breed. Yeah, it's gonna get on whatever you want them to get. So he would compete with certain dogs, but he also had a bear lease down south on Waycross.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

So the same dogs he competed with, he couldn't hunt it with at home in Hogginsville, Georgia.

unknown 16:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

So um, yeah, and then he sold them for hogs, coyotes. I mean, he says he's got some of them as lines. I mean, as trashy as they are, I got no questions in my mind about these dogs. Like I said, they don't walk in water, they're savage, they're above average, and then you got your special ones. You gotta work to make the special ones, you know? That's exactly right. Special ones come along, but you gotta work to make them. I mean, a trail dog is made, it's born, but it's made. I posted that one day. The trail dog is born and it's made. You nailed it the other day with Raymond and that fella, I forgot his name, but y'all spotcast the other day. That's I mean, come on now. You're making them bleed, boy. I mean, it's that I mean takes that to make them, you know. Something decent. And some dogs don't need a lot of hunting, especially when they're finished. Some dogs need to be hunted. Yeah. It all depends. I mean, you know, your dogs.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Well, I've I've I've talked to a lot of guys that coon hunt, and a lot of guys that run just hounds in general. And the general uh deal is that uh a coon hound needs to be hunted four or five nights a week. You know that you know, a competition style dog. They they want to keep him keep him hunted up and on top of his game. Um so you you take take uh take the squirrel hunt, it's kind of similar. So is so is the beagles. You want to hunt them pretty frequently. But you get into the hog dog side of things or the bear dog side of things, and a lot of times w our dogs are put up for months at a time. You know, like we we don't har we don't get to hunt hog hunt during deer season here. So we have from October till February. The first of February, tenth of February, actually. And then we only have a month that we hunt, and then turkey season starts and we're off for three more months. So less than half the year we're getting to hunt. Well You know, that that's here for us. So it's you know, like you said, you you gotta make that dog while you can make it. You've got to hunt that dog.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

It seems like that makes two of us. I'm about in the same boat, Joey. I got about a month, maybe six weeks between one season and the other, and I feel like it's a waste of my time. I'd rather run the Beagles. Because, you know, I run the Beagles just in the cold weather. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 19:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

And it's cold enough between turkey. Yeah, I know. You gotta run them. And my problem really when I, you know, when I do this, I'm not a fan of the trail cameras and dumping on them. Somebody told me the other day, I don't remember who, but they told me, you you hog hunt like if you were coon hunting. I'm like, yeah, I like to free cast them. So what happens with especially with young dogs, I mean, the oldest one I got right now, Joey, he's two and a half. Everything else is one year and a half, and the two stubby tail pups, they're one year and that. That's all I got. So after being put up for so long, this year though with mine, he's trying to be trashy, son.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Oh yeah, I bet.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

They've been trashing on me because I've been free casting on. I put them on a track that is kind of cool, but he's taking that colder track and moving it and whatever, and he's been he's crossing something hot. And bye-bye old track, you know. I'm working on him with that deal. I'm working on him because he yeah, what I do to fix him or you know, make it make my point across, you know. He's stubborn. I mean, I'm telling you, son, he's he's a stubborn boy. Smart, but he wanna get it going. So I gotta see what he runs. I gotta see. So when I see that, he's been trashing on deer though. When I see that deer, I let him up the other day. I'm gonna give you the example of the other day. I let him up the other day. I'm headed to him, he's craving over yonder. I'm headed, I see a deer bolt through the road. About 600 yards from where he was. I kept on driving, stayed on the corner, and I'm like, if you come right to it. There you go. He got the juice, he got the juice. I recasted him, I recasted him from there, and he had the testicles to retake it. Ready to go again. Come on, boy, get some juice. I gave him the juice. All right, take him out of there, Joe. Recast him by himself. He goes in there like he smell them, boy. He smelled, it's a lot of hog shine, and it was old. But he's acting like he smell him, you know. He's going through it. Wow! My God, he's babe, boy. I start cutting stuff to him. I like to just cut him when he, you know, if I send one in there, I just like him, man. If he runs, then let it run. Especially with his young dogs. Yeah. Boy, I dumped the box, they run about three, four hundred yards. Babe, my God, they're babe. Whoa, it's and then I start here mumbling. I thought, oh my God, there you go. In the hope. You already know it. In the hope. They had it, they had them now. They had them now. I'm telling you, man. I didn't go hungry. I couldn't have shot the deer, but I got the dealer. Hey, I got a good Mexican friend, man, he makes some. Bag on good armilla.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

I don't eat it, but he makes it. He can eat it. Anyhow, um, they told me it's pretty good. I don't know. I've been in parties with them, and they eat in it, they eat kings, I mean they possums, they eat anything. I like this fellas. They can drink like a by God. Anyhow, Joey, I gave them, I gave them all the juice. I juice them up really good right there. Every single one of them gets juiced up. I reclassed them right from where that arm little was. They go again. Right to that bottom. And I tell you, I walked through hell to get to them. Wow! Wide open again. He started in there. See a bug deer just jump. God almighty. So that's what I've been dealing with. If I don't put him on hot hogs, but I'd rather I'd rather work on the problem. So if he's trashing like that, I'm gonna stay on him until he gets the right thing, and then I'm gonna praise him for it. So what I did again, I just got out and looked for more sign and whatever, and I got him to a spot there was good sign, and then they had a smaller hog, about 90, 80, something pound, you know. I ended up on a hog, and then I praised him. So that's how I'm fixing my problem, you know.

SPEAKER_04 23:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Um, if if I'm going to a place where I know them hogs is hot, hot, and I'm gonna, but I again I don't like to dump on a trail cam, you know. I could take this route. I could put a trail cam, let the hogs come, and when they're hot in there, drive up yonder, it's gonna be at nighttime, find a deer before then, put them on the deer, give them the juice, and then put them in the hogs. Gotta make them faster.

SPEAKER_04 24:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

But I don't know. I'm just letting it be having fun. He caught a lot of hogs last year. And uh him and his brother. I s just sold his brother this week.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

I think so. You just get yeah, I thought you did.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Yeah, I moved a few. I moved a few. I moved three.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Sometimes you have to. You gotta.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Oh, I mean, it hurts, it hurts because you want every single one of them to be what you want them to be, but unfortunately, they will not be exactly what you want them to be. Now, would it fit somebody else? If you're 155% honest, more more likely you will, you know?

unknown 24:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

I mean, that's how I'm I am about this dog that I don't like for whatever reason. And I I I'm a bad seller when it comes to an older dog that I don't like for whatever, because he's got one or two negatives that I don't like, but I'm gonna go through every single one of them things that I don't like. And a lot of times I get the oh, that ain't a problem. Oh, that ain't oh, that's fine. I can work with that, I can fix that. You know what I mean? Short range, short range, it's um it's just it's a turn off for a plot, for a pu pure pu pure plot, you know. If you're going four, five, six hundred, that's fine for a lot of people. That's a lot for a lot of people. That's more than, you know, that's all they need. But I want you just don't even loop around. Keep on rolling.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

That's what I was gonna say. What kind of range do you want out of your dogs?

SPEAKER_03 25:51

Or you expect I'll tell you what, I say don't loop around, and I'm gonna eat that back into my mouth. Because I got a couple that do it, and I like it. So I want them to go until they hit the track, right? But I like when they go, for example, they'll do a 200, 200-yard loop, right? Come around to you, check on you, won't be there for a minute or less than a minute, and either go in that same direction and do a bigger loop over that same loop if you get in the picture here, oh yeah, or go a different direction. And they they smoke does it, and I got a couple that will do it by themselves. If you put another dog in there, you're gonna see them back. You ain't gonna see them again. You're gonna see them with something.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

I got you. I got you.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

They like to be with another dog, but I got a few, and that's something that is uh that tickles my fancy. Now that's what tickles my fancy boy.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

So you like to go by themselves. Uh huh. I was gonna say, so do you like them at you like running them as a pack? Or do you like a one-dog show that you can you put one dog out, put it on the ground, get a track started, run that track, and then maybe pack to it, you know, later on as the race goes on, or do you like just putting them all on the ground, letting them just raise hell? Which which do you prefer?

SPEAKER_03 27:37

I don't know if I'm realistic here, and correct me if I'm wrong. Come on and spank me. But this is what I see, this is what I'm looking for, this is what I'm walking towards too. Okay? One man show. You don't need you don't have help in the yard. Let's per se. I'll tell you, Joe, if there's seven dogs here, I mean hog dogs. You can pick any one of those jokers and take it by itself. You can bring help, but you just cut it by itself, and it's gonna start it, get it going, and if it can finish it, give everything it's got to get it finished. Does that make sense? Yes, sir. Okay. I also would like so now these are independent dogs, the ones that are gonna do this with a whole pack of dogs in the box and just go by itself. Um, so this is a problem because I think if I have too many of them, they're gonna split around or not want to pack. I have one here dog that he's so independent, he started the show and he can get it done too. If you start packing to him, he's gonna split off and find his own game. His daddy used to do it. And that's great for coon hunt hunts, you know. But now he's a trail dog. He will start you a track, you know, and and he he's he's gonna use a snowman. He's greedy. And if you try to pack him sometimes, he gotta he gotta smell it. He's not gonna go to running dogs. But if you pack them, sometimes he just don't want to go with a pack and he's go another way. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

I got you.

SPEAKER_03 29:16

I mean, he's super independent. So yeah, I would like that type of dogs that will go by themselves, no matter what's happening at the truck. But at the same time, I can pack them in there, which I think I can. And if I can cut them all loose, one opens up and gets something going, the other one splits up and gets something going, and I got three dogs going three different ways catching game. Let it be, son. I mean, life is just one. I mean, I'm I'm down for the excitement. You know, it's it's a three or one, especially when you hunt by yourself, Joe.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

I hunt by myself, you know, and when they split up in two or three, it can be miserable because they they can be headed to a highway. I hunt to I hunt next to a railroad, which it's got a lot of traffic. And I'm talking about a lot of train traffic, dude. I had all my three main dogs on that railroad, and the train was coming. I mean, you can hear. Yeah, I know. I was shitting myself. They were point sixty something. I had some signal. I wanted to tone them, but there were training hogs, and I know the hogs don't usually cross. And boy, they went back in the woods and that train went by. That was scary though. But yeah, Joey, that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a dog that you can cast by itself and it will go. If it has a half a mile range and it comes back around, I'm fine with it. I mean, I'm perfectly fine with it. If that's the end of my property, I'm going to tone you back and you're gonna come around, which is something else that if this dog can do, I don't want them. So far, I don't have that problem.

unknown 31:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

Yes. Sometimes we have life going on and we have to go, we cannot cross that property, or you head into a highway and you got nothing going on.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

I've I've had conversations with a lot of a lot of guys about this, the the tone in the dog's back. You know, they're they're they want to and listen, it everybody it's their dogs, they do what they want to do with them. And and if they're happy, that's great. But that's right. Instead of sitting and waiting on mine to backtrack or trail his way all the way back to where we started, I would much rather come around if I if I gotta drive around a little bit, get closer to it, I drive around a little closer, I holler one time, or I tone them, and they come right to where I'm at. And I I'm not waiting two or three hours. And I've had him I've had him say, Well, you're gonna mess that dog up. Listen, if it messes him up, I can't tell. It it hasn't messed him up to where I can tell it. Not just him, but the other 60 or 70 that I've done like that. All mine have to be able to come when called immediately. There's there's been a few times to where I've had, like Rick, I've had to there's been times I've had to tone him two times, twice. And I've had to holler at him. But he was also bayed on the on the other side of the river. My little cur dog I got from Rusty, oh tough, but little yellow mouth, yellow yellow black mouth dog. I called him. We caught we had two separate bays. This has been about a month ago, and I had a couple guys with me, and they seen it. And we called, he's like, Well, how are we gonna get them? I was like, we're just gonna call them back and call it a day. He said, Man, I can't call my dogs like that.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

I was like, Well, I gotta be able to.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

I have to. They gotta come when you call them. So, I mean, I fully understand where you're getting at with that. Uh you you start getting off a property in some areas and people aren't very understanding. They're they're um they'll lock you up.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

You know, some will, you know.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Or you'll get a ticket or something, you know. I don't need all that.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

That's right. And like I said earlier, 90% of the time I'm by myself. And when they split up, um, even the coon hounds, no. And the coon hounds to me are more valuable because they're actually more valuable as far as money, you know. Um, they split up. Man, I gotta be able to call one back if I need to.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Or you know what I mean? I mean, might be both headed to a different road, but you know, in different directions, you know. Or one dog could be chasing the big hog, and I've seen him, and then I know the other ones is chasing small stuff. I can call him back and put it on this sheer hog or something, you know. That's a lot of uh, you know, I'll say uh situations. I would say, how do you how would you word it? Uh a lot of scenarios, son. And you need to be ready for them. There are a lot of scenarios. For example, that railroad track, I I I almost tone them, but I heard the train way back yonder. So I mean, I'm I played it for a second, but I could have toned them and I know they would have quit and come back around, at least get off that railroad track, you know. Um but yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to turn off Joey when they can't do it. And a lot of people messed them up trying to make them come back because they don't know how to do it. I've had several through my hands, the coon hands basically training. And boy, you tone them, you probably know this. You turn them and they freeze. You ever had one that you turn them and it freezes?

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Yeah, I've had them just lay down.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Yeah, and then it could be uh country mile, two country miles. Boy, you're gonna have to walk in there.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03 35:13

You can sit there for three hours and that joke ain't gonna be bullied, but you can light him up all the way up and he's just gonna squeal, or might not even squeal. Stay there. And I mean, I know how that one comes around. I think I know, I don't know. But my theory on this one, because I almost do it to one dog, so that's my theory. When you turn when they're young, you know, you you teach them in the yard and all, you know, and they come back. When you take them in the woods and they are about five, six hundred yards in there or whatever, and they're young, they're learning, and you turn them back, and they stop. You can see usually in the garden that they kind of stop and trying to come back. Sometimes on that track, they're can't they'll get kind of lost, and that's when people get desperate. Because you holler, and when you holler through the woods, it echoes. Some people don't realize it echoes, and the dog starts going the other direction sometimes. Yes, it does. Looking like a fool.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

There's no one out there right now that does that. We'll get it all together. Yeah, and it this the last time uh that he done it, I walked down there. He he was almost, he was like 60 yards before he got. Yeah, he was trying to find, he was going back to where we dropped at originally. And then when I was hollering, I told him I was like, it's echoing real back because we was in these mountains and valleys. I said, let's drive back over there. We drive back over there, and literally it was 60 yards before he seen me, or before I got his attention. I screamed loud. I hollered at him. It's that little Brindle dog cane that I have. I hollered as loud as I could. I said, Cain. And he just like jumped and looked at me, and then he came straight to me. But you also gotta stop and think. Sometimes they might not be able to hear you when they're down in them places, too. Not just the echo part, but they might not even be able to hear you.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Like I said, you got many scenarios, and people get lost on this deal calling the dogs back, they ruin them. Yes. Because I've seen it, I've seen it. So, like I said, I hunt 90% of the time by myself. I don't like being around a lot of people. I don't want to hunt with four or five people all together all the time. I might go somewhere else, and that's how they hunt, and we have a great time, you know. But I'm a lone wolf. But I've seen it a few times, they're calling the dog back, and then you I can tell it's coming back. They can't tell it's coming back. Yeah, you either born with it or you ain't, you can see it or you can't. And boy, they lighting this dog up. And what it makes it is just confuses the dog. And not just this here. But whenever that joker finally makes it to him, or they make it to him, they beat him.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

What the fuck in the world? This dog figure it out. You shocked him to hell. He was trying to come, but he's shocked him to hell. He comes to you and you'll beat him. So now what he's gonna do, he don't know what he's gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

I'm telling you. Yeah, that I I've I've said that before myself. I'm like, if you if you call me and I walk up to you and you smack, you slap me. I I mean, okay, uh if you do that two times, I'm never gonna walk up to you again. That's right. Or I'm gonna bite you. One of the two. You know what I mean? So it's like those dogs, when you call them to you and then you take a and you you whoop the hell out of them, it just to me it doesn't make any sense. I understand you can discipline a dog. I really do. Uh I used to be heavy-handed. Yeah, too, but like, come on. That's right. I I just I don't know. And I guess it's there's some of them out there, like the whole like toning a dog and getting him to come to you. I never, I never ever shock 'em. I uh never. Never never have from the very beginning. It's only the tone button. And and I've had it where I've toned them and I walk down there and to where they can see me, tone them and call them and they come to me. And after two or three times of that, usually it's no problem. They understand the tone means come here. But that's right, I also do that as puppies right here at the yard. When I call their name, I hit that tone button two times.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

I guess I'm lacy. I don't do it here in the yard ever.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Well, I mean, not everybody ha you know what I'm saying, that's just me. That's my personal thing.

SPEAKER_03 39:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Yeah, and I and I would say it'll it would help I used to do it in the woods only. But now I do it, now I mess around with pups a lot at here at the house.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Yeah. But yeah, you can you can rule in one with that, man. You can ruin one with that big time. Even one that's already good and all, and you said it somebody or somebody takes it for a minute and the sun was gonna just backwards later.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

Takes a minute. You fix them most of the time. Takes a minute sometimes. You gotta get in their heads.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

Mm-hmm. So what you know what you what you've been saying here so far is let's go a little recap over. You've you've had these, you've had plots for the last four years. Going on for four and a half, five years, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

And you trained all these dogs yourself.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Okay. So you didn't have any like you you didn't have any background of doing this before.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

No, sir. No, sir, nor family members that ever done it. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

So you you just started from scratch. How how did you find out how to to do a lot of these things and what was the trial and error thing? Like you just talked about the taunting them to come to you. What about the the coon hunting part of it, getting them to stay on the tree and uh getting them to cast hard? Um, and then on the hog hunting stuff is getting them to you know to take that hog track and to stay bathed.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

Okay, those are a lot of questions.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Yeah, so lay it on.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

Um yeah. Well, you asked me if I forget to answer some of them. Put them on the note. Um, man, the the learning process started with the beagles.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

So I already kind of had an idea how a nose works and how patient you gotta be sometimes when they make a loss and all of that. Um, and then also the experience with toning and shocking and all of that, it's just with my beagles, which I'm not a big friend of the shock caller, but it's it's a helpful tool. Um, I mean, I I I've I I'll shock them low to get their attention where their neck just twists to the side a little. And this I heard just you said enough where you call their attention. You don't make them jump, you don't make them squeal, just call the attention and then call them back. Um, so I learned some of that with my Beagles, and then it gets to the point, Joey, where they just listen to your voice. Because what I always do is first call their name and holler and holler and holler. And they kind of, if they can hear me, they'll try to start coming. If not, I'll tone them. So it gets to the point where you can call them with your mouth. A lot of it's common sense. I ate up a lot of podcasts, Joey. I'm not gonna lie. I have been learning by just listening. Um, that's dog trainers. Yeah, dog trainers, you know, just in general, the motion guys, um, Jesse Holmes. You know Jesse Holmes?

unknown 43:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

That's one of my mentors, and he don't even know it. I would like to go and meet that guy one day and go spend a week with him. I know that. I'm one of his fans. I'm telling you, man, he's the real deal. He inspired me, son. Yeah, I ain't even lying to you. I like to be a week of my life whenever I have money and time. Go spend a week with him in the summer and help him work up yonder. Because that boy's got some work, son.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Yeah, I mean, he's he definitely, I mean, you look at somebody who came from basically nothing. Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

And literally lived in a shack, it wasn't even a shack, it was tarp with a few two by fours and a couple of four by fours, and then he won rookie of the year for the I did a rod 500. Yeah. And now, now, like once he once he hit that stride, he never looked back. He went from that, went and built a huge dog yard, and it's just got bigger and better. And so these are the things you can accomplish if you get off your ass and you do it.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

You you gotta do it, man. He trains in the summer. Not everybody trains in the summer. It's hot. I run me dogs in the summer.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

In the wintertime, boy, this coon hounds. I know I was cooling dogs, not everybody might know it, so I want to keep it clear. I run them year round. The beagles, I run them from November, maybe late October, November, when fall comes around. I have a beagle pen here in my house. I got eight acres. Like I said earlier, I wanted to get out of Miami because I wanted to lose out of my yard if I could. So I got a little beagle pen here. So I run the beagles in the um in the pen, and then when deer season's over, then I go to private properties. And then I go and run bears whenever I have a chance, you know. I got a lot of a lot of Friends, good friends down south. Cody's one of them, though.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Yeah, he's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

Yeah, he's he I just gotta go. I mean, he he's open, you know, he's wide open. I know he's open.

SPEAKER_04 45:12

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

And um well, yeah, the Beagles and then the Bears. I run them when bear season is running, which is my Beagle season, if you will, but I will sacrifice a few days to run a bear fourth. And um yeah, the hogs. Them hogs, we run them whenever turkey season ends till we can run them before deer season. Some of these people shut you off three weeks or a month before then. Like you just told me no, that's a month away. Well, that's it. You can run them away. Man, I mean getting all the hogs, tearing off your feeders, boy. Anyhow, you gotta go by their rules, and I respect them. I actually, no matter how much of an I don't deal with assholes. Hold on, I don't take crap from nobody. I mean because I'm not begging, you know. They need help, I need help, you know. I don't know. Yeah. Some some of us owners could be something else, I tell you. But I appreciate it because I don't pay paying for the land. They're getting a benefit, I'm getting the benefit of the land, and I respect their land. I don't take a bunch of people there. I don't rot the roads. If I see something wrong, I'm gonna call them and tell them or take a picture and send it. If I see trash, I pick it up. I don't even tell them there was trash. Because that's blown, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Just do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:39

Just do it. Just keep take care of that land. And the day they tell you you can't hunt no more. Thank you, sir. You let me know if you need some help.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

You know, you can't take it personal. People don't care about you, they just care about themselves most of the time. You know, they have you there because you are a benefit to them.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Well, and and that's that's a fact. It's got it's beneficial for both both parties. Yeah. But the being a landowner is different as far as a point of view than uh somebody who hog hunts because the landowner is just trying to get rid of hogs. We're trying to find somewhere to enjoy hunting. Yeah, he wants a ball baby. Yes, and so my herd. I had I had one property I've hunted for the past four or five years, and this year I lost it. Um well, but I wound up getting it back. And and the re and the way I got it back is I actually know the guy who started hunting it. Well, long story short, the property switched hands, and the guy that hunts it now, his son and the other boy are good friends. So, you know, that that's who that's who's gonna hunt it. But at the same time, the guy originally that owned it messaged him and told him said, hey, you know, Joey and them's been hunting this place and they've really done a good job. They've really helped us. Um, he stuck up for me even though he didn't have the property anymore. And so they called and said, Hey, as long as you two guys are in agreement, everything's good, and which we were. I was like, I told him, I said, Man, I only hunt it like, you know, once a month or something, once every couple months. And he hunts it, you know, maybe twice a month. It's closer to him. I was like, hey, as long as you don't care if I come down here when I want to train pups, I said, I'm fine with it. And and we we get along just fine. Uh honestly, it I I feel like it's more his than it is mine because he's closer and uh he can be there more often if needed.

SPEAKER_03 48:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

But you can't take everything personal.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

No, you can, man. I mean, I got friends like friends, hog hunters. I got one friend, and he's got a heap of land. I mean, I'm telling you, a heap of land. He never done told me, go ahead over there, you can hunt that spot. I'm not gonna ask him for the spot. He's been doing this for 30 years. He earned his land, you know. I just got a phone call this week. Somebody referred me from around here to a farmer. So I just done picked me up another farm, which is not a lot, it's 400 acres, but it's corn. And then hogs, man, I talked to them and he's man, he's they're tearing them up. They said, we make a living out of this corn and it's 400 acres, we need them out. And I said, Yes, sir. That's right. We'll get them back. But I mean, I talked to the man and I told him, Look here, you're not gonna use me and dump me like a whore. I'm not gonna let that happen, son. That's right. You're not gonna have me here. I told him, I'll do it. He offered to pay for gas and all, right? He's 45 minutes away, but I told him, Look at here, you don't have to pay if you come to an agreement with me on which I can hunt it at nighttime with thermal dogs during deer season. Because I got friends that enjoy that, so I can go with them and just watch it. You know, I'm not a big fan of it. But it helps them because it, you know, it keeps the population somehow somewhat, you know, low.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Um, and then he told me I could go and run the rabbit dogs up there. He said, Man, we got some rabbits. I'll tell you what, that place right there is known for rabbits. So, yeah, I mean, I mean, I told him, you know, just I'll help you now, but you help me out. Just let me hunt the land when you're not deer hunting or turkey hunting. He said, Yeah, man, you can co-hunt it, uh rabbit hunt it and get the hogs out of here, ASAP. So that is that. Another question you asked me is how did I get these dogs to cast? Is that what was the question? Yes. I know I've answered two. This is the third one. I got another one. Okay. So how do I make them cast? I just put them in the trunk, to be honest, Joey. I take them out there and they either have it or won't have it. I guess the natural ones, I mean, I cut them loose. I don't have I have finished dogs, I would say, you know, smoke, for example, and finish, we'll say. And you know, I'll take them with her, or I'll take them with the other one coming behind her, you know, so they got some confidence as a pub and they'll go. They usually just go, Joey, tonight.

unknown 51:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

The first time, usually the first time they go. I don't take them until they're seven months of age. I'm pushing it. I'm pushing it, and I have nothing else to do. If I take one, I just have one or something to see. And I have done it, and they have just punch a hole in the dark with the other dog and be down there at the tree, 400 yards, 500 yards, quarter of a mile, whatever it is, you know. Um, then I have had some that we talked about last time we talked, late starters. I said, well, go and cast, but um, but uh not by themselves. And they it takes them a little minute to go with dogs and all. I get uh I get them out of the way now. I've changed with that. I'm not gonna wait too long. I'm going more towards the one-year-old that is already showing some real decent potential, you know. Uh, if you're one year old and you're hesitant about the game, but I show you game here home and you and you're well bred. I know you got it in you, but I'm gonna move you as you are, you know. I'm gonna move you as you are. He's just hesitant. This is what it is. It's a call, but really it's not, you know. It's just I want him to start early. As far as making them go by themselves, either they got it or not. That's what I've seen. Yeah. Casting by themselves, I mean, long ways either. They got it or they don't. But this plots that I have here, you cast them, like I've said earlier. Once they they've got some confidence, right? They've gone a few times. You cast them with another dog, you ain't gonna see them again. You're not supposed to see them again.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Yeah, until you know all next time you see them is either they're done hunting or you're done, or you're got them on the road or somebody's yard or their base.

SPEAKER_03 53:28

Yeah, or trashing or whatever in a hole, whatever. They got something in their mouth, you know.

SPEAKER_01 53:33

You know, Joey. I mean, give me dog, boy. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

Uncle Pat on them. I don't, I mean, I don't, I don't, it don't bother me, Joey. I mean, it does, but it doesn't. You just ought to be patient, you know. Yeah. Um, if they trash, I mean, especially the young ones, I don't. I'm gonna get on them now. I'm gonna get on them, but whatever, don't hurt my feelings. As long as they're not right there sitting by me, I don't care. That's all you gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 54:06

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

Get out there and do it. Yeah. And what was your last question?

SPEAKER_01 54:12

Well, I had like four or five of them. I mean, it was just basically what we're talking about is you know, how do how did you get the dogs to do what you wanted them to do and not having the history uh or or the all the methods, and and you didn't have anybody there to teach you. You didn't have a grandpa or dad that knew how to do all this and and showed you that. So that that's what I was getting at. And okay, you've accomplished a lot of stuff with with smoke already in the cookies world.

SPEAKER_03 54:41

Yeah, not where I would like to be, but yeah, yeah, that's that's right, Joey. I mean, just observation, I think the passion of it um just got me going this way. I'm just digging the information that's out there. Um, the information is out there. So, you know, I've I've ate up, you know, podcasts, like I said earlier. I read um articles, you know. Um my English is broken, but I'm still educated somehow.

SPEAKER_04 55:13

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 55:14

I read a little, you know, I read a little. I mean, and yeah, I like what I see, but I would like more, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

So let's do it. I mean, I like the breathing, but I like more. Let's let's get into younger. What are you what made you say, I need more? I need this and and this specifically. All right, so tell everybody specifically what you're looking for as what you need for more, and how you came up with that, and then what you want to do about it.

SPEAKER_03 55:48

What you gonna do about it, man? What you gonna do about it? I'm gonna do about it. I'm gonna do something that is going to piss a lot of people, but I don't care. So, what's going on? What I'm seeing, what I I'm observing here with this plot breeding, at least the ones I got. I'm already looking for a fast phenotype, right? You know, with a fast phenotype panel, thin waist, deeper chest, as deep as you can get it, more lung capacity, long legs, houndy head, you know, um, slim built, not stocky. I don't like him stocky. So I've been looking for that phenotype on the pubs. Um, I can talk to you now, someone. I'm sorry. So I've been looking on that phenotype. Let me get myself together here.

SPEAKER_01 56:41

No, you're good.

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Yeah, you want something.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

I'm going that route, Joey. I'm on the speed because I've got smoked a few times this year more than than than last year. Um last year I got smoked quite a few times. But what I'm seeing that the problem is, I mean, I I got on my s I lost my train of thought there for a second. I'm back on it. You called me. Uh so I'm looking for more speed because the breeds got it. The plot breeds got it. It's nice, it's got its speed. Can it get faster? Yes. Can it get faster by being bred with another plot line of plot dogs? Absolutely not. You know. Um, so this hogs here that I'm looking at, they're runners, and they're piney wood hogs. So um they'll be run, they'll be by them, you know, oh young boar hogs. You know what a young boar hog. Everybody knows hogs. Everybody knows the one that is a runner. Um, you know, and we start on them and we can start one of them, and we can bait them in five minutes. I mean, we can even get them on his bed with the hands, you know. We can get him in his bed and all. By the time I get ready to put a cast dog in there, I mean, just send it. This joker is bolted. He's running now. Okay, so now I'm just sitting, waiting, see what happens. You know, next thing you know, you're already losing signal. 0.74. Drive around out of way. There he is. He's still running, boy. Give him, give him. I don't know, it all depends on the day the hog, right? Give him some time, he'll stop again. You see the whole bay. I mean, my daddy, they got him. They these dogs here put teeth on him now. I mean, they may they put teeth on them. Well, this hulk is fast, buddy. These hulks is bred with deer. I say so. And uh man, they just break and do that all day long, Joey. You know, and the plot that I have, I look a lot at this. I know a lot of people probably don't. They don't care, but I'm looking at things for the future, you know. I I want some speed, but at the same time some trailing ability and not just overrun your track, you know. Stay on track.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

But a lot of Joey.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

Yeah, I'm gonna stay.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

You're gonna have to cut that off. I got nervous for a minute here.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

Where are you coming at?

SPEAKER_02 59:29

Um I don't know. I got a cold. I got a cold fitting punk. Can you cut this off?

SPEAKER_01 59:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:37

And take it together?

SPEAKER_01 59:39

Yeah. We can pause it.

SPEAKER_03 59:42

Oh man, I think I'm drinking too much damn with coffee. I drank an energy drink and a lot of fucking coffee. I'm taughting 80 here.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

Oh, okay. I walked in, so that was very good.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Yeah, Nate just came in and sat down and put the headphones on. He looked at me. I was like, oh shit, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

It's like, did I bring bad energy in the room to the headphones?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

I felt something, boys. Something came on me. Oh man. Maybe the topic, but anyway, what's I was saying, uh, this dog's here, man. The plots that I have, they're fast enough. They're fast enough. I've been looking around, um, talking to people about their dogs and all. So far, nobody can show me something faster than what I have. So with that being said, I don't think the plot breeds got what I need, and I'm gonna have to jump to something else because I'm maintaining about 9, 11 miles an hour. That's what I'm maintaining, but I can only maintain that speed for so long, you know. And then these running hogs, they'll get through a ticket, and you your dog is right on them, and they get through a ticket, they do a couple of tricks. Next thing you know, you lost the lead, you lost him, and he's got the lead by 300 yards. And you catch up to him, you catch up to him again, but then he keeps up the whole day with it, and then you start losing the speed.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

So I need something that can maintain a double-digit speed with a lot of grid. And I'm gonna tell you something. The plot breed was sold to me, like I said, it was sold to me like this powerful breed that can get it all done, you know, and it's one breed apart. Well, this is what I say. You cannot be one breed apart if you cannot catch them all. That's that's what I see. So I I would like them to have more speed. Great bear dogs, you get some great coon dogs, I mean great meat dogs, hog dogs, and all. But I got a specific set of pigs here, and I'm sadly I'm measuring the breed by this set of pigs that I have here, you know. Great breed, and I'm not saying they're bad because I have eight of them. I'm keeping another one, so I will keep my plots. But I would like to put some more speed on them. You know, there's a lot of people who have done mixed stuff into their lines before, they just keep it hush and hush and hush and hush, you know. Don't say nothing, and they just get the pubs, get whatever looks like a plot, and say this male here braided and send the paperwork. They don't ask for a DNA, which is something that it's absolutely ridiculous. As far as also not having a hunting test, which I would love to have that here in the USA before you even get any paperwork on a dog or dripes to breed. If you want to breed them, you can breed them, but the European thing, you know. Um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:45

That's what we uh that you know, and that thing right there, what you were saying, that's the way I I felt with with the dogs that we're running. I feel like they're some of the like with the running walker, the foxhound, the Julives, that that type dog, they have the speed and they have the stamina.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

I mean, the stamina is what we need. Yeah, the stamina is what is really sets them apart in my mind. I wish they had more grit, but I have to be careful when I say that because you get a lot of guys out there that say, oh, that's something that runs to catch. Well, yeah, it runs to catch if there's five or six of them on the ground. I'm talking about one dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:29

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:30

I'm talking about one dog show.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

One dog show.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

That you know, I'm it can he can he stay out there and run that hog for 20 plus miles for five or six hours or longer while it's hot and humid and not lose his speed? While it's hot and humid. Mm-hmm. Not perfect conditions, not in flat open country. I'm talking about where they're gonna squat, uh, they're gonna jump and juke and jive, and like you said, they'll they'll come out the backside of it, they'll they'll have a a one-minute head start. And if your dog gets smoked, that one minute's gonna be the determining factor. That's right. That's right. But go ahead, keep on. Unless you can stay there long enough to push his lungs out. Can he outrun your dog all day long? I see exactly where you're getting at because we have hogs like that here. That's right. And I'm I'm sure everybody listening has hogs the same way. Their hogs are the worst hogs ever. I already know. But just come hunt, come hunt with us.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:45

And let's see how they work where we're at specifically. And I'm like, I've I've went and hunted with other people, and the dogs did fine. Uh they actually did better at a lot of their places than they ever did here at the house. But I have a particular spot with particular hogs that I and I use I use those hogs to train my dogs with pretty much because we're gonna now we'll bay them. But like you said, once we get close, they're gone. And then the race is on, and it's over and over and over and over. All day long.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:23

You can blow, you can blow his lungs, but he's if he blows you before you blow him, you're done. It's true. Look at here. Look at here. So I made a post online on Facebook, and he created a lot of commotion two times, and I took it down. Okay. A lot of folks try to try to take it certain way, like, oh, you know, and dogs supposed to blow his lungs, yada yada. Many of those folks hunts out of buggies have plenty of axes, and you see ten of them together with six feet. Dogs everywhere surrounding the whole block, cutting to that joke. That's right. Yeah. Not it, son. I ain't got the axis. And a hunting dog, in my opinion, is supposed to start and finish. And like I've said, the plot breed was sold to me like if it was the best in the world, and it's to me it's close enough. It's missing something, and I'm gonna fix it. I got a friend, man, and he's got the real deal, running walkers. Running walkers, sir.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

I know they do. Yeah, I know that I know one dog that when he starts it, he's gonna finish it, or or he'll run it until he can't run it. Because look at here You're not gonna pick him up and then what you're not gonna pick it, pick this dog up, put him in the box, and put another dog on that track. No, that dog is gonna stay there until he's done.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

They got the goat and they're gonna stay with this hog, but you keep loosing the lead, you keep loosing distance. I watch them on the drone being almost half a mile behind the hog at the flyout. I watch them on I got a drone, I don't even post about my drone videos. But I watch them, I mean, I like seeing what's going on. Which I got a friend that he makes GoPro cameras. He says he's gonna make me a chess thing, you know. I'm waiting on that. I want to see some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

The GoPro stuff works out good. Yeah, yeah. I need to put one on the dog right away. Yeah, I need you to make me one. All right. Um look at here. I gotta get some mounts. Nathan's got to get a 3D printer. Get busy. Yeah. I'm telling you, no, ain't no rush.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

Ain't no rush. I don't know what's I kind of know what's going on anyway. I would like to see it, you know. But anyhow, um, you you can get more intel on your pack, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:55

It does change, it does change a lot of the stuff. Yeah. Uh, because you can you'll have dogs you think that are really doing all this other's shit, and they're not. You know, you can see what they're doing. But um, if you get bullets in the lead all day, I mean that's what I was gonna ask. How long is it gonna stay? Uh how long we race is going. How long can how long can your dog stay in the race and push 10 10 to 12 miles an hour? While it's 85, 90 degrees with you know, 70 plus percent. You see, I don't even try to kill them.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:35

I mean, I the humidity I never checked the humidity though. Okay. But I start this deals around 7:30, 8 in the morning. The sun is already running. By the time 11 rolls around, they'll pick them up. They they're running, but they're they're foaming out their mouth. You know, you can see they're you know, they're slow now. Okay, I never ran them in the winter before, Joey, except when I have ran them on bears. Now, this amount of time, for example, from 7 in the morning till 10:30 or something, one of me dogs can put 17, 20, 22 miles on itself.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:13

Yeah. I got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:14

You know, they'll they'll they'll move around, they move around. But like I'm saying, this just gets slow. We we I mean, it's gets slow and and and I'm uh we catch them on the beds, we catch the easy ones, but I don't want the easy ones. I want the hard ones, I want the challenging ones. The owner's son of this property, both of them hog hunters, okay? He told me one night he was hunting with me. He's got some July from Wheel Booth. You know, you know, he's got some lies from wheel. I don't want to say everybody's names here because a lot of people like to keep their lives private. You know what I mean? Well, the landlord told me, landlord someone, which is his landlord himself, told me, Rao, the day you start catching this hog here, every time you cut loose, I mean, you get a 90% of catching a 170-pound bullhog here or more. You go anywhere in the country, and I promise you, you catch them. Because that boy has been all over the country, you know. Um, but yeah, I mean, many of those folks just try to take it the wrong way and try to say the dogs can't do it, and then line breeding is messing them up and yada yada yada. But the long of it is that nobody wants to come here, even though I'm offering a thousand dollars with their four best plot dogs.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

Shit, I'm my plot, my plot looks a little different, but I come on with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:37

No, shut up, shut up, stop cheating now.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:41

Come on now.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

You're gonna get some easy money now. No, I'm telling you, they run. You can come on, man. You should come. No, I I mean that's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:48

That's the way I like to hunt. I'm the same way.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

I like to be rich on them. So I won the challenge. I mean, I won the challenge. Nobody wanted to come and bring their best four dogs, and I told them, you cash them son of guns, you find your hogs and you catch them. That's how I run them. Can you do that? Nobody, nobody accepted that.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

Nobody, nobody, you know, we'll we'll both did the same thing. You know, we'll go Will said, Look, I, you know, and people was like, Well, you're just talking this and that. And he was like, Look, man, I really want to see it. And I went out there and I carried, and I think Rick had been hog hunting for like five months at the time. That's that's that was the long and short of his experience from January to June or July. And we had a great time. Uh, I mean, the dog hunted good. He he struck hogs, he ran hogs, but he he wasn't nowhere near what he is right now. I mean, what he is right now after yeah, after a year and a half into it, he's he's a whole nother dog now. A completely.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:54

Next season he'd be better.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:55

Exactly. Well, what I'm saying is it was not hard to load up and drive out there and go hunt. Plus, man, we caught hogs, had good people, had you know, made some good friends, and just just had a good time. And get and I got to see Will's dogs and Tyler's dogs and uh Rake Straw and who else was it? That's the type of speed I'm aiming for. And it it was a good time, and everybody had really, really good dogs.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

All those friend and mentor, my good friend and mentor, he's got uh he's got one of Will's dogs. He's friends with Will. They've known each other forever. And I hunt with him on the weekends though.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:32

I got you.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:33

And this here bitch, she'll smoke. She's one of them black and white dogs. Yeah. This bitch here smokes everybody. And she don't say a damn word, boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

She's fast. And I'm telling you, even with the best dogs you can find there, sometimes you're gonna get scrunked.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:53

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

The other day, the first hollow we got, we looking for a track boy on that bucky. We have the whole gang here. There's four or five guys, a little kid, and two of us own the dogs, you know. And we cut the pubs and cut them all, whatever, right there on a spot on a pine thicket. My friend said, Okay, let me go take a shit. He goes up, he owns the other dogs. He goes, he owns Will's bitch. Boy, he goes in the bathroom, and next thing you know, one of my pubs opens up. Woo! So, well, I don't know. Then the other one opens up, and then all them dogs open though. There's a hog lane right there, Joey. Like 70 yards from the buggy, though. Red Holly. Big boy. He had a set of nuts on him, but that's I'm gonna get up, and he comes straight. I mean, he's bulldozing straight to me. I mean, I'm looking at him in the eyes, and I got my phone and my Garmy on each hand picture of shit. He's coming straight, and I said shit. And then I tried to jump on him, and then he made a he I kind of tried, you know, and then he made a hard 90 boy towards my my friend. He was he was in the bathroom side, and I said it's gonna be a shit show here. Yeah, it's but no, it wasn't no shit show. It wasn't a shit show as far as shit going flying around, but shit went down. That side of a gun went for a stroll, and he starts running, and all this dog here running it. And we'll bush be shit. She she's in there. I've seen it work many times, man. You cut her loose, she's gonna have game, boy. Oh yeah, and I ain't getting paid to advertise no candles here, but I'm telling you, I've seen it. I've seen it with my own eyes. Uh boy, and that hog takes off, and bird dogs, curd dogs, everything is right there trying to work it. She smoked them all. She left them in the dust. We ended up picking them up in a swamp on there. Next thing you know, bitches bait 0.76 on the pond. This whole deal here took about two hours. We haul ass to that pond. And she don't swim. She just don't swim. I guess they'll come out of whatever. And by the time we get to that pond, about 200 something yards, she's going back and forth. So we figure he jumped, and he did jump on the water. And we got her, and we were gonna go around 20-acre ponds. We're gonna go around and find the track and put on. Because my friend said, Man, I would hate wasting so much time on this here hog, but I like the big one. You know, we like the challenge, man. You know, we can catch the easy ones all day long. Um, anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:36

Yeah, that's that's no.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:40

Boy, we go into this uh hog track trying to find it, and some rain poured on us.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:46

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:47

And I mean, we got porn. Well, we waited about 30 minutes, waited out, went to another farm, and we busted the issue on time. We busted that party, boy. They were having it in the corner, we busted it. But long story short, a dog that can run and can bay them, you know. I mean, a lot of scenarios. But that's what 211 that you can cut loose and have meat at the end about every time. Yeah, that's and if it don't have it, it's trying to feel itself to get it. I take that too.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:16

Yeah, that's that's what I like is you know, they're they're gonna go until they just can't go. And and I've I've had several times. I've posted videos where we have gone and like it'll show Rick just sitting down, you know. And I'm like, I know he's not babe because he ain't barking, you can't hear him or nothing. He might be three or four miles away. And we'll get over there close to him, he's still sitting there, don't hear nothing. I was like, he's done, he's he's done ran all he could run. But it's usually after 10 or 12 hours. Um, and I mean, like I don't run mine guy hard, so I mean, I mean, I'll he'll run until he just lays down. He'll run until he just cannot run anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:01

I take that. I take that all day, every day until you can't no more.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:05

This curdog here that I have. He'll get after about 30 minutes, and we've done this, we've just left him alone to see what he'll do. That son of a bitch should get back up and go hit it. He'll go right back to where he quit, pick that track up and go again. You know, I that's why I said I wish he had a little more grit to him. I know there's times he's walk bay in and stuff, and I can't stand that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:30

I tell you what, Joey, we cannot do nothing else to his genetics, but we can use his genetics and help here me and you, I would say, if you like someone post. But yeah, as far as the bay, you know what I mean? Um I'll put him over one of those plot bitches and uh and I'll fix that speed problem for me, and I think it probably help you as far as that more grit that you want, you know, more teeth on the game.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:02

I would definitely like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:03

And like I said, this year bitches will stay for days with Kings, you know, looking at it. You know how plots are, especially the greedy.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:12

I've I've had several, and I was talking about it earlier with with Cody Godwin and Rusty and them. I was like, I've had several rust and my only complaint with with the plots that I had was they were like bulldogs. I mean, they were they didn't mind didn't bay shit hardly. If they were baying it, it's a big it's a big bastard, you know. And uh but they would find game every time. I mean, they was gonna find game.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:37

I lean more toward stay back kind of dog. That's what I want. If it's a hundred and 150 more stay back, but but if I joker turns around, you bite them in the ass. Yeah, that's that's just what I want. That's as much as I want. Because I got a couple of of them here, a couple of bitches, which one of them is the one that I wanted to breed to Rick. She'll put too much pressure.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:04

You're walking in the bay, you hear you hear her putting teeth on that jugger.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:08

Yeah, he he's not gonna pressure. He's he's not gonna break. He don't press her enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:14

Yeah, well, she makes them break.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:17

I mean, see, that's what happened. That happened the other day. I mean, I'm walking to the bay 120, and they're baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:23

Well, hell, I can't get nobody to breed to him, so we might as well do it. Don't don't nobody want to breed to that sorry ass dog, so he'll I say, hell, we'll breed him to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

Let them miss on it, buddy. Let them mess on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:38

I think I'm making it public. I don't care. Hey, stand on business. I have nothing to hide, no. I mean, for the betterment of the breeding, and they're gonna fuss about it. They're gonna say that I'm messing them up, they're gonna say they're mixed up. But I'm gonna tell you something else, which I earlier said I don't want to make name names. But it's a few of this plot people. Can you hear all those dogs? Can you hear them dogs marking? No. Okay, okay, because they're racing hell. Okay, they're racing hell or probably a cat. Okay. Anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:14

I know a lot of those guys that I know a few of those guys you're talking about, most of their plots are not full-blooded. No, no. I mean, but they're not gonna say that. They they say, oh, these are plots, but they have a little cur dog in them or a little bird dog or a little walker dog. They got something in them.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:33

I mean, ain't nothing wrong with that because I'm telling you, nobody wants me to wants to show me what I'm looking for within the breed, so I'm going to have to go elsewhere. I'm not saying there's not one out there that can keep double digits all day long for at least six, seven hours.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

They're gonna let you show up and show you, huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:52

Ain't anybody, I mean, that's right, nobody has stepped up. I mean, if I'm gonna stud a dog from you. You can tell me that's fast, and I mean I'm I take your word for I won't take your word for it. I gotta see it. And I would like to see it a few times.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:09

You come get that song, bitch. You hey, you come get him and take him, turn him loose. He's your damn headache. That's the way I look at it. You come get him, go turn him loose all you want.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:19

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:20

He's gonna do it every time. We ain't got I mean, it might be a deer that next time I don't know what he's gonna run, but he's gonna run. He's meat dog.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:27

You know Sisson and Heat. Yeah. You heard about Sisson and Heat. Are you seeing his picture?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:34

Yeah. That's what he's saying. What's up? Come on now. I can't say nothing. I mean, come on, the other one went in the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:45

He threw a litter, not one person, but a couple of people told me, you know, grandparents' jeans, grandparents' jeans, they're gonna pop up a lot. They do. Yep. I've seen it. Um, so he threw a litter, everything was a walker doll. That was what the great vine said once upon a time happened. And several grapes out of that vine have come and you know, said it to my ear. I don't know if it's true or not, but I don't think all these guys are in conjunction to make me believe something. You know what I mean? It's just a story with Bill Higgs. I I mean, great line of dogs and all, but and stories that I've heard Bill Higgs had black and tents, I mean, plots, and his brother had black intense. You get a bitch out of Bill, you never get a colored dog but black. And I'm telling you because I've done it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:50

You know, I mean, I'm just making little observations here. Um, so ain't nothing wrong with trying to help a breed. Lord knows I mean, you need fresh blood. I mean, you need fresh blood. Nothing convinces me out there as far as the the the trait that I'm looking for will say. And I would hate to lose other traits doing this, but um, I got a little plan for that, you know. I mean, we're gonna have to breed, at least for me on my side of things, you don't care. Um, but I'll have to breed, you know, whatever comes out of back to a plot, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:31

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:32

And I'm gonna ask you a question. Why would UKC, if this is not okay, why would UKC register you a dog and after the third generation, they make it a full plot?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:41

Because there's only I mean they understand there's only four quarters in a dollar. I tell people that all the time. It's simple as hell. There's four quarters in a dollar, there's four four.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:51

Refresh the whole blood, find you something good, send you something that it almost matches your thing, you know, as far as traits and way to hunt and style and this and that, and then you do your work, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:05

I'm I love I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:07

Dixie line of plots. Oh, yeah, Dixie Line plots. I'm telling you, I'm you know, I'm gonna register them all. I don't care. You know, you think people is gonna remember about what what I'm saying right now about mixing them now five years from now. If they get a good product, or if I if they won't think about it, like man, he's got some plots. Well, then put some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:32

You ask me about it, I'll be open. When they turn that some bitch loose and he's out there for 12 hours and he's pushing 10, 12 miles an hour all day long. They ain't worried about it. They they said, Boy, look at that plot go. I know plot go.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:47

I know. I've seen some Brendan July, I've seen some Brendan July, so I wonder where the Brindle comes from.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:53

Oh, I I'll show you a picture of one right now. You look at that son, bitch. Sweetie, yes, every every one of them. Oh, that that's running walker. I said, negative. Guess where that dog's daddy come from? Where? Or granddaddy, Uncle Pat. Yeah, so imagine when he was talking about crossing a little bit of plot into some of them running walkers.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:21

Yeah, he's our dirty uncle.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:23

He's our dirty uncle.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:24

Deal suicide, that's how it is. He's he's yeah, I like him. He's a cool case. He's pretty straightforward. Yes. I'll tell you something. My life has changed as far as being busy and work and all, and just just everything going on. I don't work at the chicken farm no more. So, I mean, I'm I'm busy. I just can't listen to a podcast no more while I'm working.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:50

I understand.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:52

I try to find a hole to listen, you know, um, to you guys and another one more. And I'd be looking, I'm I probably uh not probably. I only listen to the ones that is Uncle Path included in them. He's gonna steer some shit up, and Raymond Plummer. He's got a lot of knowledge. Yeah, I like Mr. Raymond Plummer. He's he's a radio boy. He's got a radio voice too. And he likes I agree with him, you got a cold. Either it's hard or soft, you got a cold. I got a male here that I out of smoke and her grandfather. I got six pups out of that. And man, he was my pick. He was my pig. And him and I him and I don't see him eye to eye. You know? So he's not a cool, but I feel like he's a cool. I'm not even gonna try to sell him, that's crazy. I could have sold him for a chunk of change, and with the paperwork behind him, you know, and the the jeans the the jeans are packed under Joey, they're packed. Um you know what I did? I'm talking to a fella here. I talked to a lot of people, and he seems pretty legit. He wants a pup, there's no more pups. I read the fella out through the phone. I mean, you you tried, you cannot, you're not always gonna hit it on nail with people, but usually you can tell when they're legit. I gave him the freaking door away. But I did something. I cut his gonads.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:28

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:29

We cut his gonads yesterday, boy. And now we see eye to eye a little more, he's more chill. I mean, you talk about dude, this thing is jumping on this kennel. I mean, he's got too much energy, he's too much for me. I'm telling you, he's he's alright.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:47

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

I mean, he's about those box like you he looks like you got a T-Rex in there, son. You seen that movie, your acid part? That thing is shaky, that container, that's what it looked like.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:57

We got a couple out here like that, some of the the Terriers, especially. And well, yeah, I mean that type of energy, they used to be snatching the wire, and they're I mean, they they don't teeth putting the wire up in them. And it's just too much, you know. But at the same time, you know, that's not a bad thing. But if it fits your criteria, you're good, you know. That's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:21

And as a terrier, he's supposed to be alive.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:23

Yes, and that's that's the thing about it. We uh the the Dixieland line of dogs that we had of the Terriers were they were kind of laid back and chill. But when it was time to go, it was wide open. And and some of the ones we have now, they're wide open, and when it's time to go, they they kind of chill out. I'm like, no, no, that ain't gonna work. If you that pisses me off. No, I I can't deal with that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

I done cut his gold ass, boy. I'm telling you. Doing that kind of crap around here gonna lose your boneheads, boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:03

I mean, the cutting 22 for somebody. Yeah. You done barred him.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:08

He took it serious when he said down to the nut cutting.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:11

Yes, down to the nut cutting, boys and girls.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:14

But I'm gonna be honest with you, Joey. They go as they are, and I'm I'm a hundred, like I said, I'm 155% honest with people. Sometimes I think I exceed myself, you know, trying to make the dog look bad just in case he does anything. He's like, oh, but this little thing I fucking told you.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:30

That down told you, son. You know. And you know, I scan through this people who want older dogs, you know. I might spend 30, 40 minutes on the phone, and they lying, you catch them lying, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:41

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:42

I mean you catch them, you go back and forth for a minute, you catch them lying.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:46

Yeah, I've I've caught up a few times. Normally, like I said, the I tell people like, you know, which I don't sell a lot of dogs. I probably sold more the past two years than I've than I ever have my whole life. And been catching him up. Well, just get rid of uh I mean, but at the same time, you gotta be careful who you give them to. Oh or send them to them. That's the main problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:08

And so that's the main problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:10

If if I put a good price tag on it, they're gonna respect it a little more than if I just gave it to them. Because I've I've gave a lot of dogs away, a lot of them. And good ones. Yes, very good dogs. And there's a lot of guys that respect it. But there's a few that they don't, they're like, oh shit, it don't matter. He just gave it to me. Well, if you spend $2,500 on that dog, you your attitude's gonna be a little different. You're gonna be you're gonna take care of that damn thing and you're gonna hunt him.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:39

150%. I mean, I agree. I mean, this that's crazy, but my percentage is pretty low as far as giving you a good well-bred or whatever, giving it away and getting a success, success rate as far as the person putting time or energy on them. Yeah, you know, they don't. You gotta, so I'm done with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:02

You gotta worry more about the people than you do the dogs turning out.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:05

This year, fella, look, I'm here. This is your fella.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:08

I told him I could good, but yeah, yeah. That that's that's the that's the problem that I've I've just run into so much. Is and it's not just me, it's most everybody I talk to, but most of them have the same problem. I could I could look at here, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:24

I I got I don't got better than nobody, like I said earlier when I started. I don't have it better than nobody. I just got us good or even worse. I just put mine so there a little more, you know. But um shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:39

No, that's that's good. You know, that and that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:43

Not everybody's gonna put the time, and then you if you go puppy milling, it just makes it worse because then you stain your name because you're selling dogs to the wrong people, they don't put time, they send them backwards, then they sell them to the next guy, and the next guy don't know a whole lot, or might be knowing a little, but the dog is already screwed or that second guy screws him up a little more and goes them to the third guy. And there's three guys that say your dog ain't worth a shit, and they are the ones that ain't worth a shit. Yes, sir. So I mean, I I had I have here a little litter that was an accident. It was really an accident. I'm keeping one though. I'm keeping one. They they're pretty nice. Uh I like them. They're doing the things I like them to do when they're that age. I got one that is doing it a little earlier. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:36

Nice. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:39

Well, you got uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:41

What else what else you got you wanna you want to get off your chest tonight? You want to tell uh tell the world. We got about an hour and a half in on this one here. Yeah. On this interview. So uh, I mean, if you got something else you wanna want to talk about, now's the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:55

Now's the time. I don't know, man. Let me think about something spicy. You want something spicy, something not spicy. Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:06

It's your it's your deal. Lay it on.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:08

No, I don't know. Nah, it's just you know what pisses me off, Joey? This Facebook keyboard warriors, boy. Keyboard warriors. And you know what pisses me off more? Townsman or dogman shitting on another dogman because he's running a different breed or he's running a different style.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:29

Yep, that sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:31

I had it with one of them. He's a little big, he's a little because he blocked me. He couldn't handle the pressure to the messages with their Dean Ross. Dean Ross, yeah. He blocked me up. Yeah, I had it with him for what? Yeah, well, or the dogos. I share a video of a dogo caught, you know, and he trashed them like shit. I said, Well, whatever. La la la. Let it slide. And with him, jump a couple of more folks, which I I ain't nobody, so I'm not even gonna say their names because they ain't no name nothing. And then whatever. And then later on, I put another video of a dogo um catching on a hog, and he kind of trashed on it too. You know, I reposted it and whatever. And then I think it was the third time I shared a video where there's somebody on a buggy running on a field. You know how they do it, Aussie style, you know, and running on a field, running this hog down, and they cut on him. And they cut a dog on that son of them went in here and got him. And then he went and shit on him. And he said, Oh, you running that hog to his tired cutting dog loose on him. I said, You son of a bitch, they ain't done the same shit you freaking do. You malafucker. And then it started there, and then he couldn't take the pressure and he blocked, man. But I hate that, man. I mean, you're you're supposed I don't, I don't, I don't shit on people hunting with thermals. I mean, do I like it? Do I do it? I I've done it a couple of times with folks. I got a couple of dogo argentinos that can do it. But, you know, I could say a lot about that, negative, but I it's just you are out there with a dog hunting and helping with a problem. That's the way I'm gonna see it, even though I don't, you know, I don't go all the way with it. So how come you're gonna shit on somebody's, you know, whatever breed or choice? You know, I got the dogos, and I'm gonna tell you, Joey, the ones that I have here, I'm pretty pleased, and I wish you could tell me what.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:38

Yeah. I got you. I I mean, like I said, I've I've I've been around some dogos, I've had a couple. I didn't really have any issues with mine. Uh I've seen them getting ruined, though. I I know another guy, DJ Elliott's got a young one right now, and that dog's doing really good. And uh, so I mean, it's just like any any other breed of dog. Like we were talking about with the plots. They're praying for certain certain things. That's right. There, there's gonna be guys right now that's gonna say, well, I've got plots that can run eight hours and stay at 10 or 12 miles an hour.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:16

Hey, Raul Cobre, hold on. Raul Cabreja on Facebook. Message me. I want to see him. I will breed to him, or I might buy them to him. If you catch me 170 pounds hollow or more, keep on doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:27

Yeah, well, no, that's a fact. That's what I'm saying. You have that, and you'll have guys that have these running walkers or July's that they can keep 20 plus miles an hour all day long in a foxpen. Yeah. And so why is it so hard to believe that a a certain line of dogos would not make terrific catch dogs? Now, I know there are a lot of dogs that are showbred dogs that are watered down that won't hold, and I've seen those as well. But I've seen American Pitbull Terriers supposed to be. I've seen certain lines of them that didn't hold that well either. It's every breed that there is. It's nothing to do with a dog, it's fucking people. People are the problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:14

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:15

People are the only problem that dogs have.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:18

Yeah, you are 150% right.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:23

That's right. So a lot of good dogs. A lot of people have good dogs in their candles right now, and they don't even think enough of them dogs because they, I mean, they just don't understand them. They don't work hard enough, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:34

Well, they don't dog the same way as everybody else does either. Uh, you know, I mean you hunt more similar in certain things. Uh I I used to hunt more similar to some of the South Texas guys. I just hot dropped them and caught them, you know, rough dogs. And then I, you know, I've changed styles three or four different times. Uh, Mr. Dean out there, he's a very intelligent man, and he has some phenomenal dogs. I've I've had the same exact, well, not the same exact, but very similar dogs to some of the ones, not to all of them, but to some of the ones that he's had. I had a a wolfhound mix last year, and we carried it to Texas. I mean, we ran it to death that first weekend. It just didn't make sense. No, I heard. You know what I'm saying? But also, with Dean knowing as much as he knows about things, he told me what was wrong. Okay, I need a dog that I can turn loose every single time. I don't hold on. I don't want a dog to have to wait.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:28

You know, you know what, even though that whatever happened, I still listened to the whole interviews of Dean Ross. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:36

Well, I mean, that's hey, look, whatever that's between you and Mr. Dean.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:39

And you can learn from anybody. So I learned them those can kill by running too hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:43

I I listened to it. And that's the thing. I I don't want a dog that I'm gonna have to worry about doing that. And that's just my personal preference. You know, that doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it's just what works for me. I'll be honest with you, where I'm at, these little terriers kick everybody's ass. Like it's so thick, the the bigger dogs can't get around in it very good. Now, are we gonna catch 300-pound boarhogs all the time? No, but we're gonna catch pigs all the time. I'm sure we're gonna go in there. I have fun catching pigs, man. I got but I don't really think. I don't understand where for the bigger hog, but I mean, whatever, yeah. I I don't want to catch pigs all the time, though. There's sometimes I do. Saturday, we went in there on a corn pile and carried a bunch of puppies and let them go on there and just bust them up. Now, am I gonna take Rick and you know my track dogs to do that? Well, hell no. They wasn't even around, they were at the house. I don't need there's dogs for each scenario.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:42

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:43

And for each location that you live in. But I I I agree with you on this part on the on the thing about the plots. And I'm not trashing them by any means. But if somebody has a plot that will come out there and do exactly what you're asking, I will I will throw another 500 on top of the thousand. There you go. I mean, I just want to see it, Jake. I just want to see it too. And I'm not saying that they're not because somebody's got them. Hey, somebody's got to hire them. I mean, yeah, but I mean, just like don't take no messages. Don't don't I mean, don't make no post about it. Send a message, and I'm gonna drive out there too. I don't even know where the hell you live at, but I'm gonna head out that way and I'm gonna watch this somebody run. Or y'all can come over here on neutral ground and run these hogs.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:32

It don't matter to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:33

You know what I'm saying? I just want to I I'm the same way. I want to see one that that can really get it. Because that's one of my favorite dogs of all time.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:42

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I like I I like them, I enjoy them. You catch bears. I mean, oh you know, Andy Blankenship. Oh yeah. You know, Andy. I mean, and Andy's done told me some things too. I mean, about things, you know. Oh yeah. Well, you know, I mean, he's a really, really nice man. He's a really hospitable man. He treats me like I'm his family. It's really nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:09

We went up there with the biggest thing. But yeah, I mean, we have bear hunted with him and hog hunted. You went again? No, that we only went that one time. I say we went up there with him, and uh he he has some very nice bear dogs.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:23

Yeah, yeah. I've been there a couple of times again, but he he again, he's top notch. Top notch right there. I mean, Taylor Crockett was his mentor.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:33

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:34

You know, um, he's got a lot of knowledge, so every time I go there, I'm like a sponge, just asking questions. I don't say nothing, I don't talk about nothing, but just asking questions. And he enjoys asking. Um but yeah, yeah, yeah. Speed, speed, speed. We need more speed, more consistent speed, not speed for a certain amount of time. We need it for longer.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:56

We have to bring to a great ground.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:58

This is your hogs. You blow them. I mean, every time you lose that lead, you lose three, four hundred yards. If you can catch up within a minute and a half, two minutes, maybe you know it's better than catching up within 30 minutes again.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:12

You blow him quicker. I mean, you blow him quicker. He's gonna have to do nothing but quit. And if they don't quit, we'll do them all day. I mean, he's come on now. You know he's gonna blow up.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:24

But uh, you know, I've I've had people also tell me that I was full of shit that uh a hog won't run that long. Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I've been bring him over here. I've been told. Well, I mean, you I bet you told them to come down your way. That's all I ever say. I was like, hey, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Please come here. And I mean that wholeheartedly. I'm not talking shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:47

I love it, Joey. That's humbleness.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:49

Come show me shit. Come help me.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:51

Help me. Humbleness is one of the most valuable things a man can have, and you have it. I love it. Yeah, come on, help me out, please.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:59

Yes, and I what am I doing wrong here? I've only had a couple people that actually showed up to hunt, and they had good dogs. And very few have been successful. Uh at some of the bigger properties we've hunted. We went to one property, and uh the hunter and Kyle from Louisiana, their little dogs did really good. They had some dogs uh out of some Jason Wallace's stock. Their dogs did great. But now we went to down here at our other property and we bade hogs, we ran hogs and we bait hogs. We didn't catch hogs.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:37

Yeah, I hear that. You know what I'm saying? Same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:40

Same thing. It's just a miserable. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:45

They don't give you time to cut a bulldog loose or bolt, whatever it is you're sending in there. I mean, they don't give you no time. And if you do cut a loose, but I mean, they bolt. They don't believe it. I'll tell you what, somebody that you know and I know, I mean, I ain't gonna say name, he hunted with me for a while. That's a year. He's got some damn fast, nice dog. You know what he told me after a month of coming every weekend? I think I'm gonna reevaluate what I'm feeding. There you go. On in this place here. That's right. You know, and his dog will run until her paws are peeled off, dude. This here dog would run all day long. So that's right. I love that little bitch. I mean, that's that's that's a that's a hunting dog right there. And she was a coon hammer. But anyhow, yeah, yeah, I like him to come and try them. I mean, give me a hand. You talk to the hunters around here, hog hunters, and you tell them, hey, you want to come with me and hunt in such and such creek? You know the first thing usually that comes out of their mouth? Hell no, that's unrunning son of a bitch. This here hog, this here hog, this big monster I'm talking about. I mean, we're working on him. We're working on bringing him out. He's hiding. He's from there. Okay, he's one of them runners because they dogged down that they they did the the same thing that most people have done in many places. Natural selection. What did they get first 10 years, 15 years ago? Slow ones. Easy. Yeah, slow ones. Now ain't nothing can keep up with them. And here I come, ready for the challenge. I mean, come on. It's a few years of my life. Is it gonna work? I don't know. There's only one thing we could do is try. Because I'm not gonna be five years from now doing the same thing that I'm doing now. I'm gonna get the same results, and then I'm going to wonder, what if I would have done that five years back, man? Where would I be? If I I I heard this from Steve Heard. You can do a cross and you can always correct that. You know what I mean by that. If it comes wrong, you can correct it.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:57

But if you never do it, you never know.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:01

You never know.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:02

That's exactly what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:04

I mean, you you you said you said F once, and I do have a lot of faith in it. I mean, I have plenty of faith in that. I mean, what the heck, you know. From the cool hand side of things, I mean, I don't know. Nobody wants to show me. I mean, not let's not hold, hold, hold, hold. Let me not lie here. Nobody wants to show me no no nothing. Hold on. I'm not seeing a male dog that I can across to that is consistently whooping ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:34

I got you.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:35

Hot dog on the coon hound. So I don't even know what is gonna happen five years from now. I got plenty of room to play around here. I don't have to go out. I don't have any complaints about my coon hands. Just plot, you know. It's the same dog. I got eight. I got four I'm using on raccoons, and then I got four that I'm using on hogs. And then two pearl dogs and one GSP. But uh I don't know. But for now, I'm I'm pretty excited to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:05

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what we can't cook up.

unknown 1:47:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:09

Like I said, we you can always correct things. You you you you know, and or you will regret the rest of your life, you know. And say, well, what if I would have done it? What would have happened? I'm that type of guy though.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:22

I yeah, I I definitely get it. I mean, uh you're talking to somebody who has bred more F1s than uh probably anybody I know that just offhand anyway, and and wasted wasted a lot of money on different breeds when I mean I could have done the same thing with the ones I already had, but I was like, well, what if I try this? And what if I try that? But I know the answer to it. I can tell you what happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:46

Now you had it out of your system.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:48

I can tell you what happened, but I also found what what I what I thought was perfection through that. You know. Did you? Yes. It took me uh well, not just me, but me and Nate, and it took us uh, I don't know, I was king nine, ten years old when he finally died. But so it took about 12 years old. And how so?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:08

What kind of dog you had out of that? What was perfection to you?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:11

That for for what for the type of hunting that we were doing and the style of hunting we were doing then was more just RCD? Yeah, it was all R C D but with a colder nose. Uh I could instead of instead of like trying to get close two or three hundred yards where they could hear a dog barking and send them into it to shut a race down, I could literally go to where they crossed the road at and I could I could cold pack to them just like that, like you would a hound. And if they were a mile deep, I could turn that dog loose on that track and then I could drive around and try to get closer. And about the time I get there, the dog would be there caught. And it worked for years. Worked for years. Uh we caught a lot of big hogs. It got to a point where if it broke, if the hog broke one time, we were going ahead and we were gonna shut it down. But at the same time, properties changed. I don't have I don't have access. I can't get around to my dogs. I can't cut them out.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:14

They just keep getting smaller.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:15

They they keep you know, the the big properties I have have no access. So if the dog gets two miles deep, I gotta take off walking. And if the dog is caught that long, you're asking for a disaster, no matter how good the dog is.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:32

I have fantasized about it, Joey. I have fantasized spotted on my feeder to catch them bait on, you know. Yeah, um, I've thought about putting a I got two bitches here, mother and daughter. I got four, but uh out of the four, two bitches that I'm you know, they'll cast two, three hundred yards, kind of if they don't smell nothing. Dog Argentino can. If my dog says running, I can pack them and they're they'll run with them. Yeah, they'll run, they'll over over time, 40 minutes, 35 minutes, depending on the day, one hour or so, they start falling off. They can do it. And I have fantasized about breeding one bitch to a really good cold-nosed dog here. And I mean, I think I'll get some running catching son of a gun. But the problem is, what would you just say? If they caught a mile away in there, you just you just wasting money because you done racing, you've done something, you done got them, and you got them killed quick.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:31

And and that's like these big hogs that we run down here. I can't I can't catch them. Like I'm I've caught them. But at the same time, it's there's damage that you take. And not just that, I want to have the dog where and I've heard so many people talk about it, it's a true one dog show. I want to have that with the dogs that I have here. I want to I want to have it where I can turn one dog loose and I can count on that. That dog. I can count on that dog to go as far as he needs to go, but I'm gonna try to put him in good sign or a certain track. Set him up. I want to set him up the best I can. But if I don't have nothing to do or nothing to set him up on, I want him to go find his own shit. And I want him to stay gone until we got something going. That's why it it look, if there's no hog sign around and that some bitch is running a coyote or a bobcat, hey, we we finna catch that one. I don't care. Yeah, yeah, I mean again.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:37

I think that's I mean, I think that's the idea that I mean, at least the idea that I had bought, right? What I have taken, what the story that my mind made, right, about hunting dog since I'm little, watching the fox and the hound and all this, you know, movies and seeing dogs trading at whatever it is, you know, is that it starts and it finishes. And Del Lee, I believe it was Del League. Uh Del League said, if you need more than four to get it done, you might as well get rid of all of them and start all over.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:14

So I I usually carry four. I usually carry four. Um now this big hog that I got here, I'm gonna put the old candle on. I'm even putting the coon hounds. Um I think I'm gonna shoot them. I don't want them to wreck a lot of dogs anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:30

But yeah, I mean, that's the idea. They just go and get it done. Um, and everybody's got different lands, different styles. I get it. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:37

Like you go down there with Godwin, it takes a whole different style of dog down there where Cody's at. Yeah. All that nasty water. Uh I mean, it's a whole different game down there. But you have to have a dog that can stay there and he's got to be able to run.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:54

Well, I got a trip plant to wake cross um probably in two weeks from now. I got something going on and when I'm done going down there. I might swing by Cody's, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:05

I got you.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:06

I'm sure on time, boy. But um Yeah. I mean, it's just a game is for the enjoyment, you know. What you're gonna get skunked. No matter how good of dogs you are, there's gonna be times you're gonna get skunked. That's an idea people get their heads wrapped around dog, too, is that if you have a hunting dog, you're gonna catch game every time, regardless of what. And it's not how it is. You know, you're not gonna catch it every time. No, there's gonna be situations. But well, a good a high percentage is desirable, and that's what we want.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:45

I mean, that's that's I and the thing about it is all you can do is all you can do. And as long as you're happy, brother, do it. That's all that matters. If if you're happy and it works for you, do it. I'm pretty competitive, Joey.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:59

I think that's my problem, and I don't compare it. I when I was out, so I was a bodybuilder and a personal trainer in Miami. Never said nothing about this, and I've always been into sport. I'm pretty competitive, and I've always chosen single sports, meaning it's just you against somebody else, you know. And I I look at these dogs, and and I got many dogs here, more than a handful, that there's no money you can buy. But I look at them and I said, if you had just a little more of this, you could be a little bit. And you know, I'm just competing as myself, my own dogs, you know. And all you can do is try it and test them and see what happens. I mean, there's this point where you plateau. I mean, that's it's a fact. You're gonna plateau, and that's as good as it gets. From there, you're going down to the dome. You know how it is. So you gotta be pretty careful too.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:52

That's a fact.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:53

But um, yeah, I enjoy the process, though. It's a it's a painful process, it's a long process, pretty expensive process. It's better to get the money together and go buy your dog that is about finished, and they show them to you and all three or four of them, and you're ready to go. But um, if the reward at the end is just immense, it's immeasurable to me, at least to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:19

Well, I'm I'm the same way. I don't want to buy nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:21

I don't have children. I don't have children. I don't know. You you are a father, so yeah, I reckon any of your kids play any sports.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:34

How do you feel when they won or when they did good, you know? Oh hell, I mean, on top of the world, I you know, that's that's that's the closest I have to a child, you know. You know. Um, so that's the closest I got to a child. So, you know, it makes me proud at the end from saying you were a little big pub. Look at you two and a half years old now, and look at you doing, and you got more potential, which you will unleash slowly but surely as you learn, you know. They keep on learning all the time. You gotta keep them out there, Joey. You keep them in the candle and take them twice a month, four or five times. There's many dogs don't need to be hunted that much, I'm telling you now. Yeah, I've seen them on all types of, I mean, everywhere, you know, all styles, rabbit dogs. I mean, there's a lot of exceptions, you know. But if you want them really tuned up pretty good, you gotta keep them out there regularly. I mean, 230, 250 of tops, it's as many times I'm out there every year. Um, then I and look at here, I'm not even nowhere close to where I would like to be, Joey. I'm not close to where I would like to be. I think I might yeah, I might be unrealistic here, but you know, you gotta set goals on like to get better.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:54

Oh yeah. I mean, that's I think everybody ought to have some type of goal, especially like you said, with their if they're serious about hunting and they're serious about their dogs, they need to have a plan. And like there's Nathan asked one of the young guys that started hunting with us, he was like, Well, what's your what are you trying to achieve? He's like, I don't know. He's like, Well, what's your goals? He's like, I don't know. He's like, Look, he's you you you gotta figure some shit out.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:20

Yeah, like you gotta be able to see where you're walking to. If not, you're walking in the just void. Yeah, yes, you're walking into a void. You gotta be able to see it, and that's hard too, Joey. Um, a lot of people can't see it, but they just can stay stick to the grueling, painful process of growth. And forget about dogs now.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:42

It's like, you know, it's tough. But anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:47

Well, man, I I'm telling you, it's been a been an eventful, eventful show tonight. Uh I'm literally, I mean, for real, I've had I've had a good time talking with you about this stuff, and it's just you know, you you're gonna get mixed reviews on it, of course, and you're gonna have some guys out there that's gonna be like, man, that's a great thing to do. Then you're gonna have some, it's like, man, you don't know what you're talking about.

unknown 1:58:14

Just go.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:15

Those are the ones I like. Yeah, just go go with what you know, which is you know, go with the dogs that work for you. And if you feel you feel like, hey, man, we need to add a little something, do it. I I mean, I'm the same way. Don't think for one second that Rick's in a breed pen right now. You know what I'm saying? Cur dog.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:36

Don't take him out now. Keep him in there, boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:38

Yeah, he he's he's in there right now. So, but uh no man, we appreciate you getting back on here with us tonight and and talking with us.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:45

And uh we uh I'm I'm Nate, you brought some go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:50

No, go ahead, go ahead and tell Nate with her.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:52

Nate the phone call screwed me over, and Nate got me too, boy. Oh, you brought some energy into the room, son. No, I swear to you, I fell something cold. Well, come on, people.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:02

He was that he was all that you know what that was? He was out there and he petted white boy Rick when he walked in. You could feel it. Cold as it is cold.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:09

I'm telling you, it's cold, son. I'm here thinking it's I'm overcaping it. I mean, I'm drinking some Cuban coffee here, and I have me an energy drink around three. Toro, yeah. Toto Cuban powder. And I'm like, it's just me, but no, it's it's white boy Rick Energy, man. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:30

God almighty sounds like a lot of people. We're gonna have people really talking bad about us now. Oh man. Hey, it is what it is. Y'all, y'all relax.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:39

We're gonna help y'all and the breed, and don't you worry. We'll have them available. We ain't still no, we're gonna keep pure purebred plots, my line of plots, and then we're gonna have the Dixie line of plots, which is gonna be known for some got willing now. We're making a plan and we actually making it public. Now, is it gonna work? We will find out. If it doesn't work, we will find out. We'll we'll go back to the lab, boy.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:06

Yeah, what we say, it might be something else. All right, you have a good night, brother, and you you keep them dogs in the woods, keep them tuned up so I can get out there and hunt with you. Hey, I appreciate it. I love you, boy. And Nate, I appreciate you, son.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:21

Yes, sir. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:22

I guess if we catch this big old hog, I'll send it to y'all. Oh, yeah. Please do. All right, brother. We'll see you. All right, God bless you, boys. Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:32

Oh, I love it. I love it. I love it. And uh you know I'm always a jokester, always talking trash and carrying on, but that's the real deal there. Like, that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:47

Yeah. Uh so I I was like, I got on Facebook and I was like, I need to find somebody that will do an interview, and that will be a good interview. And I was like, and I just got on Facebook and I was like, I'm sure I can find somebody. And I was just going through stories, and Raul was like the second story that popped up. I was like, that's my man. I was like, I knew if anybody can make it happen this week because they didn't have one page. That's like, I was like, it's Raul.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:16

Well, I mean, like I said, you gotta kind of there's and I know there's people out there right now that's gonna talk trash, they're gonna talk shit, and like, he don't know what to talk about, blah, blah, blah. Look, I don't know about the whole hog hunting thing. He catches hogs. He has some nice dogs. But in the coon hunting stuff, bring your dog and go hunt with smoke. And and you'll you'll rethink that if you think you got something that's uh because that's some bitch is a dog. And I mean, this this ain't from him telling me this and honestly, I've only talked to him probably three or four times. Probably well, maybe half a dozen total since it since I've met him or since I've known him. We don't talk a whole lot like and that's the on here that's the most we ever talked. He did call and ask him, talk to me about Rick, you know, and uh explained the whole deal he was going with. And I and I told him all the faults too. I and and you know, we we talk highly of Rick a lot of times. It's only because he's the only dog I got and he does pretty good. He's not the best, but he he's consistent. When you put him down, something's gonna he's gonna jump, he's gonna run. Are you gonna catch it every time? No, he's every there's only been one time I know that he made a loop and come back. And it's just like it it might it might I don't know what it might not even be nothing out there running, but he's out there running and barking. So he ain't under my feet, is what I'm saying. And he'll stay gone all day long. So that's what I ask of him, and he makes me happy. So but like he we're not joking about the whole deal with the plot. If if you do have a plot that will run like that and catch these hogs, that's what we need. It's it's not a joke. Like, we're not, I'm not my part of it is I'm not hacking on nobody, I'm not talking shit. I am 100%. I looked at one the other day, the one Bobby Kramer had. I was like, you know, the guy said, Hey, what kind of speed? He said, Average, that's not gonna work for me. Like I had to I had the money in my pocket. I was like, Nate said, Are you crazy? I was like, Look, I'm telling you this is what I'm wanting. And I know I'm not the only one. There's plenty of them out there. Uh, but if you do have it, we we ain't got to say your name, we ain't gonna do none of that. Come over and hunt. Let's check the dog out, man. I'll pay we'll pay you for your trip and your time. You know, if it if it's what you say it is. If you come over here and it's some babbling ass dog running four miles an hour, you're not getting it. It ain't gonna work.

unknown 2:03:48

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:48

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